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ate all the Oreos posted:How old was he 28
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quote:my mom
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May 9, 2017 15:53
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 at that story.
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May 9, 2017 15:55
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I wonder if he got that entire negotiating strategy from his mom. I learned years ago not to listen to job advice from baby boomers. They have no idea how things work now.
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May 9, 2017 16:00
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Also you should xpost it into the negotiation thread as an object lesson in why you don't negotiate hard when your alternative is "I don't have a job". https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3768531
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May 9, 2017 16:02
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Next, his mom will tell him to go to the office and refuse to leave until he has secured a job. The squeaky wheel.
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May 9, 2017 16:04
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Good Parmesan posted:Next, his mom will tell him to go to the office and refuse to leave until he has secured a job. The squeaky wheel. here honey you can borrow your father's suit
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May 9, 2017 16:06
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I wonder if he got that entire negotiating strategy from his mom. I learned years ago not to listen to job advice from baby boomers. They have no idea how things work now. We had a lady in her 50's apply to be an Administrative Assistant to a major state-wide agency head. She had 20+ years of secretary/admin experience, but she: - Flat out told us that she wouldn't learn how to use Microsoft Outlook, she had tried before but it was just no use, and that she had good references despite that. - That the world managed to get by without Microsoft for most of recorded history, so it wasn't a necessary skill to succeed. - When asked how she would schedule events across the state and with different agencies, she said that she would do it by hand and then ask someone else to do it in Outlook. She thought it was funny and completely crazy to expect someone "at my age" to know how Outlook, Word, and PowerPoint work. She also showed up to the office, before she had filled out an application online, to request a meeting with her potential future boss to drop off a paper copy of her resume in person.
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May 9, 2017 16:12
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I wonder if he got that entire negotiating strategy from his mom. I learned years ago not to listen to job advice from baby boomers. They have no idea how things work now. I'm selling a house right now, and my in-laws have been telling us to take the first lowball (under tax appraisal) offer, saying that we should be glad to get more than what we paid for the house out of it.
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May 9, 2017 16:17
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:She also showed up to the office, before she had filled out an application online, to request a meeting with her potential future boss to drop off a paper copy of her resume in person. Yes, this is part of their standard "hit the pavement" strategy that also includes offering to do work for free until they see your value, asking about jobs when they aren't even hiring, and following up in-person after an interview.
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May 9, 2017 16:38
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Yes, this is part of their standard "hit the pavement" strategy that also includes offering to do work for free until they see your value, asking about jobs when they aren't even hiring, and following up in-person after an interview. Baby boomers! Soon they'll all be incapacitated and we'll be paying for their healthcare. It sure would be a shame if we just... didn't...
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May 9, 2017 16:53
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:Baby boomers! Soon they'll all be incapacitated and we'll be paying for their healthcare. It sure would be a shame if we just... didn't... OR, they'll stay in any managerial role until they die and all of our careers will be stunted until they finally gently caress off this mortal coil.
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May 9, 2017 16:54
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Blinkman987 posted:Is Lularoe lululemon for poor people? I didn't say "dumb" people as lululemon is pretty dumb despite the high quality on some of their items. Lululemon is an upscale athletic wear company owned by gap, like the banana republic of running clothes. Lularoe is a pyramid scheme. It has all the common scams. Selling the product is a waste of time because it is overpriced. The success stories and testimonials are fake. It works by selling a starter set of 350 to 400 pieces of clothing for about $5000 with the idea that it will sell for $10000 or more based on the unrealistic notion that you can sell each legging for over 30. But most are sold for 20 or less. Very few people will even break even selling the clothes. But all of the incentives are to recruit more people to buy their own starter set. And now they are competing with you, and you can't return unsold merchandise. And now there are a lot of people who realized it is not worth their time and they are selling for less than it cost them, just to get back some of their money.
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May 9, 2017 16:54
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They hired the 2nd choice an hour later. It sounds like you dodged a bullet, but I think the real story here is that this snowflake was somehow the top choice. 
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May 9, 2017 16:56
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lampey posted:Lululemon is an upscale athletic wear company owned by gap, like the banana republic of running clothes. Lululemon isn't owned by Gap. Athleta is owned by Gap and specializes in similar clothing, but specifically for women.
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May 9, 2017 16:57
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$35k is 135% of median salary? Are you in India?
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May 9, 2017 17:00
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cowofwar posted:$35k is 135% of median salary? Are you in India? the offer is $35,000 (which is 135% of median salary for the position)
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May 9, 2017 17:01
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Yes, this is part of their standard "hit the pavement" strategy that also includes offering to do work for free until they see your value, asking about jobs when they aren't even hiring, and following up in-person after an interview. Asking about potential openings when a company isn't actively hiring (to your knowledge) is actually smart.
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May 9, 2017 17:03
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Vox Nihili posted:Asking about potential openings when a company isn't actively hiring (to your knowledge) is actually smart. "Does it say the opening on the website? No? Then why are you bothering me about it rear end in a top hat"
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May 9, 2017 17:05
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cowofwar posted:$35k is 135% of median salary? Are you in India? It's Gary, Indiana. It's OK though they're easy to get mixed up.
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May 9, 2017 17:06
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Vox Nihili posted:Asking about potential openings when a company isn't actively hiring (to your knowledge) is actually smart. Yep! My company does an internal rotation, where you'll find a new role every 18-36 months and you have to apply and interview for it and whatever. Talking to hiring managers about what's going to be coming open soon is a smart thing.
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May 9, 2017 17:09
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ate all the Oreos posted:"Does it say the opening on the website? No? Then why are you bothering me about it rear end in a top hat" That's the worst case scenario. But it's also possible that you will be on the top of the stack for a hiring process that hasn't yet started, or that they are keeping their eyes open for talent even though they don't have a formal opening. In some industries, positions aren't always listed and are otherwise filled by recruiters, but there's really no industry where asking about potential openings is going to hurt you.
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May 9, 2017 17:12
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Papa John Misty posted:the offer is $35,000 (which is 135% of median salary for the position) it's probably like a gs-04 or something lovely.
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May 9, 2017 17:19
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Vox Nihili posted:Asking about potential openings when a company isn't actively hiring (to your knowledge) is actually smart. I actually did this when I was fresh out of college nearly a decade ago, and the best I ever got was "We really appreciate that you took the time to come in and talk with us, but we just post them online. You should check there." Places with openings still referred me to the website. I'm sure it works sometimes (especially in the context of networking) but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about "If you need a job, you just need to walk in and show them you're serious," which is just not how it works anymore in 99% of cases.
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May 9, 2017 17:23
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lampey posted:Lululemon is an upscale athletic wear company owned by gap, like the banana republic of running clothes. Vox Nihili posted:That's the worst case scenario. But it's also possible that you will be on the top of the stack for a hiring process that hasn't yet started, or that they are keeping their eyes open for talent even though they don't have a formal opening. In some industries, positions aren't always listed and are otherwise filled by recruiters, but there's really no industry where asking about potential openings is going to hurt you.
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May 9, 2017 17:28
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No one gets blacklisted by politely asking about openings, that's insane. Goons are so goddamn terrified of human interaction.
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May 9, 2017 18:31
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Anyone who blacklists you for asking once is going to be unpleasant to work with anyway.
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May 9, 2017 18:35
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lampey posted:Lululemon is an upscale athletic wear company owned by gap, like the banana republic of running clothes. You're thinking of Athleta. Lululemon is a publicly traded Canadian company.
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May 9, 2017 18:37
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I had someone pull a really awkward BWM power move during the hiring process yesterday. Ugh...that just happened to me (we can talk about ourselves if it's a bad thing right?). I was offered a job at the low end of the scale, I countered with the higher end (still within the range for the job). They said they'd check and call me back the next day. Never heard back from them again. That was literally the first time I've ever countered a salary offer and honestly, probably the last time.
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May 9, 2017 18:50
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Krispy Kareem posted:Ugh...that just happened to me (we can talk about ourselves if it's a bad thing right?). I was offered a job at the low end of the scale, I countered with the higher end (still within the range for the job). They said they'd check and call me back the next day. Never heard back from them again. poo poo, that sucks. Sorry to hear that. Did you try calling them back?
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May 9, 2017 18:55
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Better question: Would you be happy working at the lower end of the scale?
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May 9, 2017 19:01
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Krispy Kareem posted:Ugh...that just happened to me (we can talk about ourselves if it's a bad thing right?). I was offered a job at the low end of the scale, I countered with the higher end (still within the range for the job). They said they'd check and call me back the next day. Never heard back from them again. Sounds like a lovely company tbh. If they couldn't do the raise they should have come back with maybe some other incentive, or at least a reason why they can't do it. Countering is just part of the process and even if they can't provide a raise it shouldn't be a deathblow to your chances.
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May 9, 2017 19:05
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ranbo das posted:Sounds like a lovely company tbh. If they couldn't do the raise they should have come back with maybe some other incentive, or at least a reason why they can't do it. Countering is just part of the process and even if they can't provide a raise it shouldn't be a deathblow to your chances. The reason they couldn't do it was probably they hired somebody else at their offered salary
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May 9, 2017 19:08
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There were warning signs. It was a small company (8 people), benefit details were spotty, the guy who owned the company didn't follow normal pay raise schedules and oh, he'd read everyone's email regularly. Obviously they tried to spin the irregular pay adjustments as a positive. "Get hired cheap now and you could be making so much more in one year!" I'm too old to fall for that poo poo. Still, I would've taken the job as a placeholder at least. One odd thing, it was a technology company, but they didn't start health insurance for six months. Is that weird to anyone else? Maybe I've worked for big corporations too long, but I haven't had to wait that long for benefits since...never. Some stuff took 6 months, like access to the 401k - but never health insurance. So yeah, lots of warning signs. Vox Nihili posted:poo poo, that sucks. Sorry to hear that. Did you try calling them back? Oh yeah. Even left a message. They probably replayed that voicemail over and over again for its comedy value. I felt like that 28 year old momma's boy in Leon's post.
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May 9, 2017 19:18
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Vox Nihili posted:poo poo, that sucks. Sorry to hear that. Did you try calling them back? Make sure to mention that you mom advised you to make the counter-offer and you won't listen to her again.
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May 9, 2017 19:18
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Vox Nihili posted:No one gets blacklisted by politely asking about openings, that's insane. Goons are so goddamn terrified of human interaction. You get blacklisted for not following instructions and being unaware of professional norms. 22 Eargesplitten posted:Anyone who blacklists you for asking once is going to be unpleasant to work with anyway. This is true. But sometimes you don't have the option not to work somewhere unpleasant. Explaining Context to Goons vol. #893750
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May 9, 2017 19:24
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monster on a stick posted:Make sure to mention that you mom advised you to make the counter-offer and you won't listen to her again. And make sure to make two counter-offers that are above the salary they are allowed to legally pay you as a public employee.
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May 9, 2017 19:25
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I will never work for a company that doesn't start health insurance immediately.
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May 9, 2017 19:27
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Krispy Kareem posted:There were warning signs. It was a small company (8 people), benefit details were spotty, the guy who owned the company didn't follow normal pay raise schedules and oh, he'd read everyone's email regularly. Health benefits at companies with less than 50 employees can still be extremely spotty, as they aren't covered by the Affordable Care Act's employer mandate (who knows how long that will be around, but it's presently the law). I doubt they were laughing at you. Most likely they saw an opportunity to pick someone with commensurate skills for less than what you wanted and simply went with that. At that point they should have politely informed you that they had gone with someone else, but it's also common for employers to just cut contact and ignore you.
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May 9, 2017 19:27
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Guest2553 posted:I guess I could have provided context - Canada is in a speculative real estate bubble fueled by easy credit and chickenshit politicians who can't threaten their voter base's ~house values~. Toronto specifically is up something stupid like 30% y/y, so the 'buy now or never' mantra means people are getting into bidding wars over rat traps with no conditions. It's to the point where real estate is the largest contributor to GDP before even counting in related industries like construction and finance. A lot of discretionary spending comes from paper gain HELOCs. I wasn't aware the Canadian bubble was this bad. Very interesting stuff. I still don't get what changed so suddenly between buying the house and whenever the dude decided he wanted out.
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