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Claiming people only like old games because of nostalgia is stupid. Maybe some people don't want a game that takes a lot of "skill" or "finesse" to play and would rather actually have fun games, even if the graphics suck. I've said it before but nowadays games are either some stupid ultra-competitive thing trying to cash in on the "esports" fad while it lasts, or a single player game with great graphics but lovely plot and gameplay. If you look at the progression from Morrowind to Skyrim you clearly see the graphics quality going up about as fast as they stripped everything away that made Morrowind so fun. Or San Andreas -> GTA4/5 - same deal, better graphics and more realism but none of the parts that made SA so great. So yeah, there is a little nostalgia for when they actually made good+fun games, but that's hardly the only reason. The fact that they are more fun than modern games is what makes me keep playing them.
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Phrosphor posted:Descent and Descent 2 are better than the vast majority of 3D shooters despite being made 12 years ago Oh I absolutely agree. Descent 3 was a letdown and I don't know why the franchise died after that. They were truly unique and I'd buy the hell out of a new Descent game made on modern technology. yeah I eat rear end posted:Claiming people only like old games because of nostalgia is stupid. Maybe some people don't want a game that takes a lot of "skill" or "finesse" to play and would rather actually have fun games, even if the graphics suck. I totally agree with a lot of these points, Morrowind had a lot of things I loved (you could even go further back into Daggerfall which had some insanely awesome customization options shredded in the name of graphics) including a really unique, non-generic Fantasy setting that they'd NEVER have the balls to do again. However, I will speak in defense of GTA5, it was a big step in the right direction back towards San Andreas, and GTA Online has continually gotten sillier and sillier content that brought back many of San Andreas concepts. GTA4 was the one that took itself too seriously. The character of Trevor was pretty much a direct response to "why does this Niko guy act all sympathetic in cutscenes, then run 20 people down on a sidewalk?" On the flipside, GTA4 taking itself so seriously is why we got Saints Row 3 & 4 being complete balls to the wall parodies. Unpopular opinion: Stop crying over them not being like Saints Row 2 and I hope they never, ever go back to trying to complete with GTA seriously again. They are some of the best comedy games out there. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 08:53 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 08:49
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Bob NewSCART posted:New vegas is the best fallout game and shits on almost any other rpg. VATS is not fun.
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May 9, 2017 09:23
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Oh, also "survival horror" games of the 90s were basically just action games made before they found out a good control scheme. The inventory system mostly served to make you backtrack unless you knrew everything you needed ahead of time.
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May 9, 2017 11:58
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Blazing Ownager posted:Point and match though I tried to play Goldeneye with some friends at a party, having not played it when it came out, and I've never wanted to attach explosives to a controller and throw it into a furnace as much as that thing. Who the gently caress designs a controller that you can only really use half of it at one time?! PEBCAK N64 controller was genius and did nothing wrong. in this instance you are literally the problem "I cant play a shooter with an actual pistol grip and trigger" is probably not a good admission to make 
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May 9, 2017 12:25
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the n64 controller was weird if you assumed you would need the D-pad. but you didn't ever need the loving d-pad EVER. left hand on the middle grip, right on right. 95% of games called for this. You would sometimes need to move over tot he D-pad for some classic game collections and things but any title including goldeneye you had one excellent grip that's all you needed. the worst part of that controller was the blisters you'd get on your thumb from playing too long. yeah I eat rear end posted:Claiming people only like old games because of nostalgia is stupid. Maybe some people don't want a game that takes a lot of "skill" or "finesse" to play and would rather actually have fun games, even if the graphics suck. I'm saying that 2.5D shooters are not fun because they lack meaningful game mechanics beyond "move, jump, and click". No aim, no thinking, nothing. "shoot" guys, find the key, and keep exploring or open the next door and finish the level. I found that boring when it was brand new, and nothing about it has become better with age. I don't like modern shooters either. Overly cinematic vapid trash. There was a sweet spot in the late 90s and early 00s where things were good. Unreal Tournament, counter-strike, half-life 1/2, the original Call Of Duty, perfect dark, Tribes 1 and 2, and maybe some others im comitting a mortal sin by forgetting but the genre started out as hot garbage horse poo poo that was notable for being controversial and that's it. If you liked it that's fine, but if you still like it, it's nostalgia, and you cannot escape that, sorry. wolf 3d, doom, and quake are straight up loving bad games by modern standards, or the standards of 15 years ago.
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May 9, 2017 15:05
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1. While Witcher 3 is a great game, Witcher 2 is better because it's a "tighter" experience, the in-game choices have more of an impact, and the plot has no "save the world" elements. 2. Overwatch is a fun game to play, but the character design, lore, and the community that has grown up around it are cringey and awful. 3. Most open world games are full of meaningless filler and would be better off as more linear experiences.
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May 9, 2017 15:10
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Blazing Ownager posted:Oh I absolutely agree. Descent 3 was a letdown and I don't know why the franchise died after that. They were truly unique and I'd buy the hell out of a new Descent game made on modern technology. I loved the old descent games. I even spent an embarrassing amount of time playing descent 3 multiplayer. I impulse bought this awhile ago and haven't played it yet because I post about games more than I play them but hey, it exists. I have no idea if its good or not. I should get on that. https://descendentstudios.com/ Edit: Here's another one supposedly coming from some of the original descent devs. Looks pretty rad to me. https://playoverload.com/ old beast lunatic fucked around with this message at 15:35 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 15:22
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Jimmy Noskill posted:2. Overwatch is a fun game to play, but the character design, lore, and the community that has grown up around it are cringey and awful. In fairness to Overwatch, this is now true of like 99% of video games. Everyone agrees Breath of the Wild is a drat good game, but I'd consider destroying it if it would get rid of the people who are obsessed with the love between Link and a 12-foot-tall fishman.
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May 9, 2017 15:25
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Jimmy Noskill posted:1. While Witcher 3 is a great game, Witcher 2 is better because it's a "tighter" experience, the in-game choices have more of an impact, and the plot has no "save the world" elements. Witcher 3's biggest weakness was there was too much exploring to be done and after a while it dragged on for very little gain. Also it lacked fuckin' FOLTEST THIS I LIKE
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May 9, 2017 15:39
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Jimmy Noskill posted:3. Most open world games are full of meaningless filler and would be better off as more linear experiences. Morrowind is the only example I can think of that did it right. You can find some pretty cool stuff in Morrowind aimlessly wandering around through caves, whereas in the later ones all the caves are just templates and 99% of the time there's nothing worth getting in there. Also the non-story quests can actually be fun. I never actually completed the main story of morrowind despite playing close to 1000 hours and I still have fun playing it.
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May 9, 2017 15:44
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Sega was never the better console to have, ever Mega Drive, Genesis, Game Gear, Saturn, Dreamcast, all second fiddle at best and definitely third tier after the original PS was introduced
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May 9, 2017 15:52
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Also Sonic the Hedgehog sucks in the way that Felix the Cat does- they created a strong, instantly recognizable IP and did NOTHING good with it
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May 9, 2017 16:07
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a bone to pick posted:counter-point: Duke Nukem was never good or funny Multiplayer Duke Nukem was great. Counterstrike is insufferable unless played on a LAN. The Metal Slug series was all downhill after X.
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May 9, 2017 16:23
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cool new Polack jokes posted:Sega was never the better console to have, ever If you were into 2D fighters the Saturn was the best console until around the release of the Dreamcast, which was the best until the PS2 came out. That's a pretty narrow criterion, though. Also, you had to speak Japanese for a Saturn to be worth owning otherwise. The Genesis came out almost two years before the SNES.
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May 9, 2017 16:28
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VideoTapir posted:If you were into 2D fighters the Saturn was the best console until around the release of the Dreamcast, which was the best until the PS2 came out. That's a pretty narrow criterion, though. Also, you had to speak Japanese for a Saturn to be worth owning otherwise. My uncle had a Saturn and yeah, those, Mr. Bones and Daytona USA were the only games of note. I ended up buying one years later (console only, no cords) for $3.99 at a thrift store and ended up selling it back to a local retro game store for not much more 
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May 9, 2017 17:09
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basic hitler posted:All early FPSes are poo poo. The genre doesn't become playable and not lovely until perfect dark m and half life doom was never about the base game, it was always about the mods, which BTW are getting better year by year. And no I'm not talking about that 2edgy4u brutal doom garbage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VnZti9IMn8 Also System Shock 1 is great. Or at least it would be if it wasn't a big game of Needle in the Haystack. As cool as it is that you're told what to do through notes, it is decidedly uncool to be blocked by a door with a keypad and your only option is to sort through dozens of notes you picked up looking for the code, only to have to backtrack over the 7 levels of the station to try and find a nook and cranny you missed for any audiolog hidden in some utility closet. SpaceClown fucked around with this message at 17:19 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 17:13
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VideoTapir posted:The Metal Slug series was all downhill after X. poo poo dude the Metal Slug series went downhill during X. That section with the subway trains is raw tedium, as is the sewer segment with the wall crawling monster men. And who the gently caress wants to fight aliens when gunning down panicky mooks is so satisfying? Fie, I say. Fie!
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VideoTapir posted:If you were into 2D fighters the Saturn was the best console until around the release of the Dreamcast, which was the best until the PS2 came out. That's a pretty narrow criterion, though. Also, you had to speak Japanese for a Saturn to be worth owning otherwise. The Panzer Dragoon games were (and still are) pretty good, too. Owning a Saturn made me feel like the video-game version of a cinema snob who only watched foreign movies, but deep down I knew the PlayStation was better across the board.
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May 9, 2017 17:18
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With all that being said about System Shock's flaws, it is better than System Shock 2 by a large margin. With the Enhanced Edition mouse-lock control scheme, it's not even a loving contest.
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May 9, 2017 17:20
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cool new Polack jokes posted:Sega was never the better console to have, ever nah the dreamcast is really good. its also more like a weird proto xbox than anything else. loads of good games and homebrew
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May 9, 2017 17:36
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No Man's Sky is pinnacle of achievement for both the indie game development scene, as well as procedural/algorithmic generation as a whole. The price was too low for what you got.
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May 9, 2017 18:14
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Rad-daddio posted:No Man's Sky is pinnacle of achievement for both the indie game development scene, as well as procedural/algorithmic generation as a whole. The price was too low for what you got. I'm curious as to on what technical level you conclude this at? Don't get me wrong, I think the hatred for it was massively overstated and you can tell that most of it was rage at the game not living up to some stupid idealization (very obvious once you see how it's all thinly veiled by a focus on a single feature that literally nobody was talking about pre-release), but it hasn't pushed procedural technology any futher, and it doesn't truthfully do anything impressive with already established technology.
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SpaceClown posted:I'm curious as to on what technical level you conclude this at? I agree. While I was being slightly hyperbolic, I do feel that No Man's Sky managed to make a space game that was enjoyable and very large. Given what happened to creature generation in Spore, I think NMS was able to do something more manageable. After the updates, the terrain and atmosphere variances are pretty good. When compared to other mainstream space games like ED and Star Citizen, which isn't even near to being released yet. MNS managed to make something I'd been waiting for my whole life; a game where I could just roam around and chill. All I had to do was get enough gems and minerals to keep my ship running. If I wanted to gently caress off to the other side of infinity, I could do it. There weren't any bothersome side quest/main quest notifications, just me and my creaky ship.
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nigga crab pollock posted:nah the dreamcast is really good. its also more like a weird proto xbox than anything else. loads of good games and homebrew Too true. Dreamcast was way ahead of it's time.
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May 9, 2017 18:48
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basic hitler posted:I dont hate doom this much guys. I dont think id software has ever made a game that was worth of the praise it got but believe me i don't give a poo poo if yall like doom or quake or we. just wanted to see how far i could go. Team Fortress 1 on Quake was mind-bogglingly good when it came out.
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May 9, 2017 18:54
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Doom and quake are still good and I play though them once in awhile and still have fun, even without the modern mod makeovers. Wolf 3d sucks though.
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May 9, 2017 18:57
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Feminasty Slut posted:Doom and quake are still good and I play though them once in awhile and still have fun, even without the modern mod makeovers. Wolf 3d sucks though. Wolfenstein: The New Order is not only a good shooter but probably has some of the best video game writing ever done up to this point.
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Panzeh posted:Oh, also "survival horror" games of the 90s were basically just action games made before they found out a good control scheme. The inventory system mostly served to make you backtrack unless you knrew everything you needed ahead of time. Not really. The early big two, Alone in the Dark and Resident Evil, were really more adventure games with combat in them.
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May 9, 2017 19:07
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new phone who dis posted:Wolfenstein: The New Order is not only a good shooter but probably has some of the best video game writing ever done up to this point. video games should not have writing. go read a book
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Blazing Ownager posted:Not really. The early big two, Alone in the Dark and Resident Evil, were really more adventure games with combat in them. tank controls are awesome and RE without them is not a real RE game.
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May 9, 2017 19:46
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Luigi is better than Mario.
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The Last of Us is a good zombie movie masquerading as a garbage video game.
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The last of us was the best game released for the PS3
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Rutibex posted:video games should not have writing. go read a book
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Jimmy Noskill posted:1. While Witcher 3 is a great game, Witcher 2 is better because it's a "tighter" experience, the in-game choices have more of an impact, and the plot has no "save the world" elements. None of these are incorrect
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May 9, 2017 20:37
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The new Wolfenstein isn't really a grand and sweeping plot and has some really compelling characters. They even manage to make the protagonist's holdover edgy last name take a part in it without being cringe-inducing.
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May 9, 2017 20:37
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new phone who dis posted:The new Wolfenstein isn't really a grand and sweeping plot and has some really compelling characters. They even manage to make the protagonist's holdover edgy last name take a part in it without being cringe-inducing. I really enjoyed the new order but cringed like hell at every cutscene.
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May 9, 2017 20:43
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Feminasty Slut posted:I really enjoyed the new order but cringed like hell at every cutscene. Some were good and some were just ok. The bit where you slowly figure out the girl you're with has been tricking Nazis and murdering them was pretty cool.
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a bone to pick posted:Luigi is better than Mario. excuse me sir this is not the thread for video game facts
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