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Zodijackylite posted:I think the NHL wants Kovalchuk back because he's a Russian superstar, and in general it is best for the league to have the best talent there is. It probably also helps to bring Russians over when their choice is coming to the NHL or playing in the Olympics, because it gives them a little bit more leverage when they're trying to push the WC over the Olympics. Small things, but Kovy coming back can only be good for the NHL. It makes perfect sense for the NHL, the Devils and Kovalchuk. The league gets a star player back, the Devils get out of the crippling weight of that contract and Kovie probably stands to make a bit more money short term. What I don't get is why the NHLPA isn't throwing a bit more of a stink. They have fought several very bitter contract disputes to keep contracts guaranteed. They've allowed occasionally concessions for players on one year deals who fail to make the NHL to rip up their deal if they get a better contract in Europe, but this is an entirely different kettle of fish. It essentially says that contracts are subject to rewrite if convenient to all parties, something that they were steadfastly opposed to with Luongo. It's not the biggest issue right now, but you know the league's lawyers are going to point to the fact that the NHLPA didn't have an issue with it it when teams start deciding the're not interested in continuing to pay guys who aren't producing. It was the same thing with the Richards contract. The NHLPA has let both of those long term contracts evaporate for no good reason that I can see. I assume they know what they're doing, but this feels like the league starting to push what 'guaranteed' really means in a contract so they can use it as a bargaining tool in the future. Why concede any ground on a point you've endured multiple lockouts to protect?
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Luongo's request was to rip his up and immediately sign a new one.
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May 9, 2017 17:19
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ThinkTank posted:Maybe 3? He was second in scoring in Russia last year and has a track record of being an effective NHL scorer. Radulov came back on a 1 year $5.75M deal and McKenzie said his minimum ask is now 4 or 5 years "well north of $6M" as a UFA. With the cap going up, I don't see how $7M+ for Kovie is out of the question. like i said i haven't watched kovy since his departure, but i'd have to think his age could be a barrier to 3+ year term. i'd be pretty nervous about giving a guy a $6M+ contract that takes him to age 37+ after he's been out of the NHL for 4 years
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Ray Shero posted:like i said i haven't watched jagr since his departure, but i'd have to think his age could be a barrier to 3+ year term. i'd be pretty nervous about giving a guy a $6M+ contract that takes him to age 37+ after he's been out of the NHL for 4 years
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I still wouldn't give Jagr more than 2 years. One joint injury and he's done for good. I don't mean at hockey, I mean he'll die.
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Jagr signed for 1 year at $3.3 mil, though. He still had to prove it, and he's legendary for his fitness whereas Kovalchuk is Russian.
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May 9, 2017 17:25
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Aphrodite posted:Luongo's request was to rip his up and immediately sign a new one. If only he'd been patient enough to wait two months like Richards.
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May 9, 2017 17:35
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LethalGeek posted:I am utterly baffled the Capitals managed to turn 3-1 into 3-3 given how bad they were getting beat those first four games. They really weren't though. They probably carried play at least 70% of the time in those games but were susceptible to Pittsburgh's speed and counter attack - which are lethal. Also didn't help that Holtby let in some weak ones and they had a couple of bad bounces. Tomorrow should be more of the same. Game 7 should be all about Holtby and MAF and whether the Pens can create odd-man breaks.
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May 9, 2017 17:37
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Richards didn't want out of his contract, and ultimately it was a buyout that hit LA with recapture.
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Aphrodite posted:Richards didn't want out of his contract, and ultimately it was a buyout that hit LA with recapture. It ended up being a negotiated settlement. The buyout and recapture penalty for Richards would've been far worse than the ~$1.5M they pay each year.
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glynnenstein posted:Jagr signed for 1 year at $3.3 mil, though. He still had to prove it, and he's legendary for his fitness whereas Kovalchuk is Russian. the point is it was dumb to make him prove it, you absolutely gamble on guys like Kovalchuk and Jagr.
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May 9, 2017 18:02
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I suspect Kovalchuk can still fetch a decent return. Not extravagant but you should be able to get at least one quality asset.
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Yeah like, obviously he's old but I'm sure a Stanley Cup contender would take him any day of the week while they still have a window open. Alternatively, McPhee might be interested in him and go full Vegas золотые рыцари. They won't be cup contenders but bringing in exciting talent for fans to watch in the first few years seems like a good way to make sure interest stays.
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May 9, 2017 19:46
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I suspect that even for all his righteous love of money he may want to win the Cup. I'm pretty sure he stays in New Jersey if they were still a contender. I think that time in Atlanta really burned him on playing for bad teams.
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May 9, 2017 19:52
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Lets all keep pretending he isn't going to the Rangers.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:Lets all keep pretending he isn't going to the Rangers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ
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Actually now that I think about it, Tampa might be a fit if Kovalchuk signs a one or two year deal for somewhere around 5-6m. There are young-ish guys that will want money+term that Tampa can't really afford to give if they want to keep their more talented young players like Kucherov and Drouin (specifically Palat and Johnson) that they could potentially trade to New Jersey. Despite missing the playoffs this year I'd still say they're a contender with that roster and Kovalchuk is certainly good enough to fill the void, assuming one of Palat or Johnson gets traded, and help keep that championship window open. Fits his request of Florida or NY too.
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May 9, 2017 20:01
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The best thing about that Jagr debacle is the Flyers promptly eliminated the Pens in the playoffs the same year they signed him. Thanks Ray.
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May 9, 2017 20:04
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How many points do you think Buchnevich puts up playing with Hischier?
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May 9, 2017 20:08
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That would suck, having that great player on a contending team.
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Spring Break My Heart posted:That would suck, having that great player on a contending team. We don't need Kovy. He's 36 years old. I don't want to give anything up for him. The defense is bad. Has Kovy switched to defense? If so I retract my statement. Otherwise, no thank you.
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May 9, 2017 20:17
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I'm not missing anything and the devils can retain salary on kovalchuk too, right? Maybe they think their window is open until guys like cammalleri's deal is over but they could do something like give him a 8-10MMx3 deal and retain half of that and maybe get 2 firsts and a roster player.
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Matt Zerella posted:We don't need Kovy. He's 36 years old. I don't want to give anything up for him. The defense is bad. he's 34 but ya, defense is probably priority for the Rangers, but I still believe the Rangers are stupid and cannot resist the allure of a former star player.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:he's 34 but ya, defense is probably priority for the Rangers, but I still believe the Rangers are stupid and cannot resist the allure of a former star player. My bad, I thought he was 36. I guess if we lose Grabner it's a need. But not one I'd give up Buch for.
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He seems like a good fit for the Islanders, but I just checked and they have almost no cap space somehow.
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OldSenileGuy posted:He seems like a good fit for the Islanders, but I just checked and they have almost no cap space somehow. the best 4th line in the nhl doesn't come cheap
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OldSenileGuy posted:He seems like a good fit for the Islanders, but I just checked and they have almost no cap space somehow. Halak for 4.5? Leddy at 5.5, Boychuck at 6 per. Grabovski 5 mil to rest his queasy head. Clutterbuck at 3.5 million lmao. Kulemin gets 4.5 Also Tavares at 5.5 but that is not part of the problem.
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Matt Zerella posted:My bad, I thought he was 36. I guess if we lose Grabner it's a need. But not one I'd give up Buch for. that's fine. i will also accept skjei
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May 9, 2017 20:42
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Their actual salary also goes from 78MM to 84MM, lol
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T-Bone posted:Kovalchuk and Schneider to Dallas what is a legit return ok go I think that'd be a non starter just because you would have to get one of their goalies back
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T-Bone posted:Kovalchuk and Schneider to Dallas what is a legit return ok go Ownership of the team
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hifi posted:I think that'd be a non starter just because you would have to get one of their goalies back 3rd overall, honka, something else, both of their poo poo goalies, fine
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May 9, 2017 20:47
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Nobody is taking Lehtonen or Niemi, much less both of them without a hell of a bribe or Jim Nill kidnapping their children.
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May 9, 2017 20:55
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I feel like my proposed bribe is adequate
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corn on the cop posted:that's fine. i will also accept skjei from my cold dead hands
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ESPN's hockey coverage was never great but Gary Thorne and this theme song, man, I miss this loving jingle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PReim0Axt4 bonus in that video description from nearly ten loving years ago  quote:Simply put, the NHL needs to divorce VS and reunite with ESPN. Versus.
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why would the devils have enough leverage to get a top prospect or draft pick for kovalchuk
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