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JcDent posted:Nuke the Moon is the policy that I would always vote for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csj7vMKy4EI
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I wanna get into weird left catholic twitter. What are good recommendations?
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Personally I just followed frassati stan (@areyousurebruv), he (she?) both writes and retweets a ton, and you can go on from there
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Caufman posted:At least one interpretation I've heard from a couple of (self-professed, at least) Christians for why an almighty creator would permit this little rebellion to play out goes like this: God lets the rebels do their thing because he knows that ultimately they will fail. And they will fail in such a way that Lord Yahweh's rule will be totally legitimized, like it will be clearer than glass how God is, was, and always will be what's right and good. I really don't understand the logic of a narrative wherein someone is knowingly faced with an impossible task and perserveres anyways, and is the bad guys. You couldn't make something more relatable to the human experience if you tried.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I really don't understand the logic of a narrative wherein someone is knowingly faced with an impossible task and perserveres anyways, and is the bad guys. You couldn't make something more relatable to the human experience if you tried. shall we talk about how much of modern christianity derives from the canonization of paradise lost?
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I really don't understand the logic of a narrative wherein someone is knowingly faced with an impossible task and perserveres anyways, and is the bad guys. You couldn't make something more relatable to the human experience if you tried. I too admire the wars of Nazi Germany
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I've had Blind Guardian's "Control The Divine" stuck in my head all day because of this thread. It's not a complaint.
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StashAugustine posted:I too admire the wars of Nazi Germany Nazi Germany doesn't do any of the things mentioned in the paragraph I quoted. They thought they could win, and "but the Holocaust" doesn't legitimize God's goodness, if anything it's one of the most profound obstacles to theodicy.
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Anyways, my point isn't that a demon must of necessity be a decent guy, my point is that the framing in that story makes us seem completely alien to God, and close relatives of the Devil. Not just in influence, but in nature, experience, and kinship.
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May 8, 2017 18:48
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I dunno, feelings of kinship are not as clear cut.
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I wasn't joking before. Milton wrote Satan as the classic antihero and I think it's had a pretty significant impact on the way modern Christians view their relationship to the divine vs their relationship to the fallen.
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docbeard posted:I've had Blind Guardian's "Control The Divine" stuck in my head all day because of this thread. Same but "Another Holy War" 
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I really don't understand the logic of a narrative wherein someone is knowingly faced with an impossible task and perserveres anyways, and is the bad guys. You couldn't make something more relatable to the human experience if you tried. StashAugustine posted:I too admire the wars of Nazi Germany Or that other lost cause, slavery in the southern United States. Tuxedo Catfish posted:Anyways, my point isn't that a demon must of necessity be a decent guy, my point is that the framing in that story makes us seem completely alien to God, and close relatives of the Devil. Not just in influence, but in nature, experience, and kinship. Indeed the master of the universe may be alien to us humans if God does not speak through the prophets or if Jesus was not the Son of God (or God the Son?) or if the Holy Spirit cannot enter a person. This is how in Christianity, as best as I've understood it, a mortal may relate to God before the Second Coming. It's not necessarily an esoteric experience. After all, the Christians say that God is love, and in loving one knows God. Tuxedo Catfish posted:I really don't understand the logic of a narrative wherein someone is knowingly faced with an impossible task and perserveres anyways, and is the bad guys. You couldn't make something more relatable to the human experience if you tried. Thinking back on this first post, I'd argue that for us regular mortals, it must be just as impossible a task to believe in ultimate love (as Christ did and taught his disciples to be) as it is to rebel against it. In a quest for the impossible, the Christlike and the Enemy are alike. But they are going in diametrically opposite directions, and only one will lead to eternal life, and the other to an unending lake of fire. Now which one is headed in which direction? Stay tuned, brothers and sisters! Caufman fucked around with this message at 22:37 on May 8, 2017 |
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Caufman posted:Indeed the master of the universe may be alien to us humans if God does not speak through the prophets or if Jesus was not the Son of God (or God the Son?) or if the Holy Spirit cannot enter a person. You're getting so close to the Platonic argument of "If God defines all things, does not God define the meanings of all words? If so, one can never describe god, for those things that are defined by him cannot be part of his definition." It's kinda useless theologically but an undergrad philosophy student's head will blow up on that one.
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System Metternich posted:Personally I just followed frassati stan (@areyousurebruv), he (she?) both writes and retweets a ton, and you can go on from there yeah bruv is cool, so is Woke Space Jesuit (@dvoeverie). both are pretty well-read and resolutely trans-positive and marxist
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cis autodrag posted:You're getting so close to the Platonic argument of "If God defines all things, does not God define the meanings of all words? If so, one can never describe god, for those things that are defined by him cannot be part of his definition." I don't know if I can agree with the Platonic argument because of that part I italicized. It is possible for a mundane human to describe the ultimate meaning. "God is love," wrote the person responsible for the First Epistle of John. "God is love," repeated Caufman. "God is love," is a description. It is not a full capture of God (and it invites many more questions like, "What is love? Is love real? Lord, don't hurt me."), but it is deeply relevant to even the mundane human experience. It cannot be just academic. Love must be approached in belief and action, or it isn't attempted at all.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I really don't understand the logic of a narrative wherein someone is knowingly faced with an impossible task and perserveres anyways, and is the bad guys. You couldn't make something more relatable to the human experience if you tried.
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cis autodrag posted:I wasn't joking before. Milton wrote Satan as the classic antihero and I think it's had a pretty significant impact on the way modern Christians view their relationship to the divine vs their relationship to the fallen. do not forget byron's impact on antiheroes
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HEY GAIL posted:the devil is god's prosecuting attorney and will also be redeemed at the last days Will he really? Unlike the Christlike, I have not read all of Revelations, so this is of some news to me.
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System Metternich posted:Personally I just followed frassati stan (@areyousurebruv), he (she?) both writes and retweets a ton, and you can go on from there their tweets are protected :/ . I will try regardless
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Caufman posted:I don't know if I can agree with the Platonic argument because of that part I italicized. It is possible for a mundane human to describe the ultimate meaning. Well OK, but you're just rejecting platonic notions of definition rather than rebutting the concept. Which is fine. I just think it's a fun concept to watch people tilt against.
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Caufman posted:Will he really? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocatastasis
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HEY GAIL posted:i believe he will, others believe he will not Lol got that right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocatastasis posted:Luther explicitly disowned belief that the devils would ultimately reach blessedness.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Lol got that right: otoh maybe it's best to take Luther with a grain of salt and recognize him for the brilliant (and deeply flawed, human) theologian goon he was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies e: semi-related, please convince (or dissuade) me from getting a tattoo of the Luther cross/rose https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_rose Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 04:47 on May 9, 2017 |
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St. Paisios the Athonite, via John Sanidopoulos posted:Monks do not only pray for the living and the dead but even for the most miserable creatures, the demons, who, unfortunately, even though thousands of years have passed, have become worse and have progressed in their evilness. *EDIT* I'm not really sure who I'm agreeing or disagreeing with here, I just like this story and this image. Keromaru5 fucked around with this message at 14:05 on May 9, 2017 |
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Pellisworth posted:otoh maybe it's best to take Luther with a grain of salt and recognize him for the brilliant (and deeply flawed, human) theologian goon he was It seems like a good idea now, but you'll brand yourself an eternal goon and probably regret it when pretty women treat you like a leper!
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Tias posted:It seems like a good idea now, but you'll brand yourself an eternal goon and probably regret it when pretty women treat you like a leper! It may seem like a good idea now, but won't your face be red once this thread converts you to Catholicism!
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Tias posted:It seems like a good idea now, but you'll brand yourself an eternal goon and probably regret it when pretty women treat you like a leper! I... don't think he cares about that. 
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The Christian governor of my Muslim-majority birthplace of Jakarta has been charged and convicted of blasphemy. Governor Ahok said that it is not ungodly for a Muslim to have a non-Muslim governor. For saying what is true, a court of five judges in Jakarta North sentenced him to two years in prison. The charge is for insulting a state-accepted major religion. I hope Ahok and I and everyone involved and everyone witnessing will remember, even in fleeting, the same thing: that human adults with their states and courts can only speculate and opine on judgment. If there is ever to be a complete and final judgment, a god and a true god alone can pass such a thing. A two-year prison sentence with the opportunity to appeal? How predictable and futile the enemy's mission and work looks some times... HEY GAIL posted:i believe he will, others believe he will not I found nothing to object to there. Prophecies unfold in a way that surprises those who thought they understood it, don't they? Whichever way the First and Last wants to play out the eschaton, visibly and invisibly, is fine by me.
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Isn't Jakarta the place where you straight up have to have your religion in your passport, and if you change it from Islam you risk a world of hurt, though? I can't say I'm surprised, going on what little I know.
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Tias posted:Isn't Jakarta the place where you straight up have to have your religion in your passport, and if you change it from Islam you risk a world of hurt, though? I can't say I'm surprised, going on what little I know. You're not far off. It's not the passport that has a declared religion, it's on the national identity card that every adult Indonesian must keep, not just the residents of the capital province of Jakarta. Pancasila, the governing political doctrine of the Republic of Indonesia, acknowledges there is only one God. The constitution accepts only six religious categories: Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Confucianism. There is no option to select agnosticism, atheism, humanism, Shia, Sunni, Alawite, Yazidi, Judaism, Bahai, animism, paganism, Jedi, n/a, none, folk religion, Daoism, Jain, Rastafari, Christianity that is neither Protestant nor Catholic, memes, or Prefer not to say. This list is not exhaustive. Legally, there is no basis for any one of the six accepted religions to have more power than another, but clearly political Islam is Indonesia's most dominant apostate religion, as political Christianity is the USA's most dominant apostate religion. Caufman fucked around with this message at 13:01 on May 9, 2017 |
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hey guys have i told you how the west needs to go back to making christianity the dominiant religion gently caress everyone else
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but only the correct kind of christianity
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P-Mack posted:but only the correct kind of christianity also, the correct interpretation of that correct kind of christianity
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StashAugustine posted:also, the correct interpretation of that correct kind of christianity the dutch reform unitarian universalist church shall reign supreme.
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I think Catholicism should embrace the Prostestant paranonia. We should make moves to have less actual temporal power, and be gleeful about. Have Jesuits going about, rubbing their hands and saying "yes, yes..." to themselves. Let us become the conspiracy!
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Pellisworth posted:otoh maybe it's best to take Luther with a grain of salt and recognize him for the brilliant (and deeply flawed, human) theologian goon he was Luther's far from the only one though. Augustine was pretty unequivocal on this as well: Augustine, City of God posted:"Very different, however, is the error, promoted by tenderness of heart and human compassion, of those who suppose that the miseries of those condemned by that judgement will be temporal, whereas the felicity of all men, who are released after a shorter or longer period, will be everlasting. Now if this opinion is good and true, just because it is compassionate, then it will be the better and the truer the more compassionate it is. Then let the fountain of compassion be deepened and enlarged until it extends as far as the evil angels, who must be set free, although, of course, after many ages, and ages of any length that can be imagined! ...For all that, his error would manifestly surpass all errors in its perversity, its wrong-headed contradiction of the express words of God, by the same margin as, in his own estimation, his belief surpasses all other opinions in its clemency." The Fifth Ecumenical Council more or less condemned Origen's rendering of the doctrine, though later authors have tried to nuance it in a less objectionable direction. Numerical Anxiety fucked around with this message at 21:13 on May 9, 2017 |
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(Probably too easy) riddle for you: what's wrong with this reliquary containing a drop of blood of St John Paul II that was unveiled two weeks ago in the cathedral of Paderborn, Germany?
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System Metternich posted:(Probably too easy) riddle for you: what's wrong with this reliquary containing a drop of blood of St John Paul II that was unveiled two weeks ago in the cathedral of Paderborn, Germany? Apparently it's undergoing mitosis and will soon become sentient and take over the world.
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