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forkboy84 posted:This is incredible. If they want to lose their seat that badly just don't stand again. But putting these rumours around this close to the election? Clearly smart, rational actors. I genuinely think if Labour carries on polling around (or God forbid, above) 30% we will see some 'moderate' MPs come out with last minute damaging stories to try and prevent anything other than a disaster. The ultimate irony is that they continue to accuse the left of not wanting to win elections. EDIT: Guardian has a package of commitments from Labour on education for tomorrow, including apparently abolishing tuition fees. Would definitely be happy if that makes it in, I was worried the pledge to balance spending commitments with revenue might nix it. jabby fucked around with this message at 00:13 on May 10, 2017 |
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jabby posted:The ultimate irony is that they continue to accuse the left of not wanting to win elections. If "The left" means Corbynistas, then no, they don't want to win elections. The typical Corbynista excuse is that Corbyn's leadership isn't about winning elections it's about  reshaping the party. Do I really need to quote some of the countless posts in this thread from Corbynistas saying that?
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The Insect Court posted:If "The left" means Corbynistas, then no, they don't want to win elections. The typical Corbynista excuse is that Corbyn's leadership isn't about winning elections it's about The ultimate goal of reshaping the party is actually to win power with the policies we want 
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May 10, 2017 00:22
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Corbyn wants to win this election and so do his followers.
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May 10, 2017 00:30
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https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/862012582399549440 This is good and decent politics and journalistic critique of our leaders.
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The Insect Court posted:If "The left" means Corbynistas, then no, they don't want to win elections. The typical Corbynista excuse is that Corbyn's leadership isn't about winning elections it's about yes corbyn reshapes the party, then someone not already press-destroyed has a crack with a socialist party behind them and we gulag you
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Corbyn wants to win this election and so do his followers. When he doesn't, then what?
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May 10, 2017 02:57
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May 10, 2017 03:20
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May 10, 2017 04:07
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I fully expect the decision to be 'we condemn the behaviour of the Conservative party but have decided not to proceed with prosecution at this time so as not to interfere with the ongoing election'. The main headline in the news will be that Corbyn kept clearing his throat while answering a question and sounded insincere.
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May 10, 2017 06:45
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forkboy84 posted:This is incredible. If they want to lose their seat that badly just don't stand again. But putting these rumours around this close to the election? Clearly smart, rational actors. The story is made up. Its classic Tory spin to try and get Labour to act disorganised, as so far this GE Labour have been acting as one (with the few exceptions), and yet some of you believed it 
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serious gaylord posted:After voting in tory council after tory council and pissing on the poor in Poole & Bournemouth for decades...
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Spangly A posted:yes Not that there's anything new with the "Corbyn's brilliant master plan was always to lose horribly" excuse from the Corbynistas, but it's always nice to hear it laid out so clearly and insanely. So if by some miracle Corbyn doesn't lead the Labour party into a slaughter in the election and a colossal 100+ seat Tory majority, does that mean by your "logic" he's failed because not enough of the hated Blairites/Reptilians have been purged by the electorate?
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May 10, 2017 08:17
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One could argue that Corbyn was elected leader by the membership with a mandate to purge the Blairite MP's that don't represent the party. The early election call has torpedoed that by locking in the nominations so Corbyn should stay on and replace the candidates so that Labor can more accurately reflect the political leanings of its members for better or worse.
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What if the intent is to reshape the party and also win the election, what if both things were the goal of the corbynistas
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If you believe in yourself you too can have multiple goals
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Namtab posted:What if the intent is to reshape the party and also win the election, what if both things were the goal of the corbynistas That would be ideal.
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The Insect Court posted:Not that there's anything new with the "Corbyn's brilliant master plan was always to lose horribly" excuse from the Corbynistas, but it's always nice to hear it laid out so clearly and insanely. I suppose you'd know about losing. 
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May 10, 2017 08:54
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Jolyon. His name is loving Jolyon. Christ alive.
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https://www.facebook.com/TotnesPolice/posts/1308780879218842 10/10 for spelling guillotine correctly.
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TomViolence posted:Jolyon. His name is loving Jolyon. Christ alive. There are two British formula 1 drivers currently on the grid, Lewis Hamilton who dresses and acts like a complete tit, and Jolyon Palmer who looks exactly like you would imagine, and is as devoid of talent as you would expect from someone called Jolyon.
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Zephro posted:He seems to basically be a nutter with a bunch of unpaid bills and a massive chip on his shoulder who blathers on about THE RESISTANCE and hassles random British Gas people going about their jobs? That could describe any one of us
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May 10, 2017 09:48
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May 10, 2017 10:13
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Jolyon sounds like a JoJo character.
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'Many wet and happy dreams' ffs Jezza
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The Telegraph is just a daily source of lols at the minute. Today we had the whole "100 moderate Labour rebels are waiting in the wings" with literally no evidence or sources, yesterday a columnist was unironically calling Corbyn a Marxist-Leninist and saying he was going to put everyone in gulags 
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MikeCrotch posted:The Telegraph is just a daily source of lols at the minute. Today we had the whole "100 moderate Labour rebels are waiting in the wings" with literally no evidence or sources, yesterday a columnist was unironically calling Corbyn a Marxist-Leninist and saying he was going to put everyone in gulags where will the gulags be located?
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jabby posted:I think it's more the juxtaposition that Corbyn is pressed repeatedly on serious issues and is never allowed any leeway to dodge the question, whereas May takes only pre-approved questions from journalists, doesn't answer them, and this is never reported as a serious issue. She is even allowed to outright lie, for example by making false claims about Ed Miliband's energy price freeze, and it is not reported. Meanwhile an evasive (and admittedly stupid) answer from Corbyn is dramatic enough to top the six o'clock news. I recognise this, but I'm not sure you are strictly comparing like for like. May doesn't get asked whether she'd stand down if she lost the election because it's an undoubted fact. Corbyn gets asked because it is an open question, then entirely unforced he gives an answer and response that makes it a big issue. May has been asked repeatedly about brexit policy and has been widely mocked for 'Brexit means brexit', but ultimately a Conservative policy has emerged and there is a clear line that the UK is leaving the EU. Labour's policy is less clear on the ambitions for negotiations, and has been wildly inconsistent on whether the UK is definitely leaving - which is why it's a big deal when Corbyn refuses to give a straight answer when the question is asked. Media management is the job of politicians, not the media. I'm not so sure there's an unfair bias going on so much as May is reaping the rewards of doing the hard work of establishing a reputation of credibility, whereas Corbyn and his team have never established that reputation and so have to fight that battle on every single issue. The Guardian has an article on point: credibility gives you a freedom to get away with things that people without credibility can not.
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Kurtofan posted:where will the gulags be located? Gosh. Wales?
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The Tories get away with it again.
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winegums posted:https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/862012582399549440 stdh.txt
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The CPS have just said no charges in any of the election-spending cases. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39865801
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Kurtofan posted:where will the gulags be located? Yarl's Wood
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Zephro posted:The CPS have just said no charges in any of the election-spending cases. Not surprised by this at all. Parties have always interpreted these rules, which are vague, in all sorts of 'interesting' ways. Crazy disappointed though, this might have knocked out any teeth the Electoral Commission could claim to have at a time when Aaron Banks is buying elections.
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Well you see an organised Labour that understood the press would have Corbyn answer "Will you leave the EU" with "Yes I will leave the EU." Then they would make an advert and release it to every source possible displaying Corbyn answering difficult questions confidently contrasted with TM answering softball poo poo about who takes out the bins. And every single time TM ducks questions they would crow about it. And every single time she answers with anything vaguely positive they'd point to the fact that she's holding an election to cover up the fact that 30 MPs being investigated for corruption. But this is not that time.
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Alchenar posted:I recognise this, but I'm not sure you are strictly comparing like for like. I'm so baffled by this idea that there is some platonic ideal of the media that outputs content based on the "credibility" entered by politicians, and not that media outlets have biases that inform whether they portray candidates as credible or not? Like say, three of the BBC's top political staff (Marr, Neil, Robinson) being open Tories and the political editor having an obvious and disproportionate desire to humiliate Corbyn (Kuenssberg)? Plus, isn't the point of the media to hold the powerful to account and point out their lies and inconsistencies, which *clearly* isn't happening in the case of Tory policy escaping proper scrutiny on a regular basis, despite things like austerity having been shown to be completely terrible?
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While vaguery and uncertainty denies Labour options like that they'd be unlikely to gain more than they lose by appearing to move closer to the Tories on that and piss off Remainers. Labour campaigned for Remain, represents many areas which voted both ways and from the get go have taken a position of reluctantly following the result of the vote. Straying from that difficult position will only hurt them more right now.
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Watching Gove equivocate on the daily pols, and the description Viz gave him is very apropo: wet-lipped bellend.
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