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I'm playing through P4 golden a second time right now and thinking about maybe picking up P3P after I'm done. Having never played P3 before is it a decent port? Also is it right that P3P doesn't include the extra stuff from FES?
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May 10, 2017 11:15
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Oxygen Deficiency posted:I'm playing through P4 golden a second time right now and thinking about maybe picking up P3P after I'm done. Having never played P3 before is it a decent port? Also is it right that P3P doesn't include the extra stuff from FES? Yes and No. P3 FES came with an extra chapter that is after the game ends but is not included in P3P. But I believe all the other extra's in the main game are in the game and P3P expands on that with the option to give direct commands and the choice of a female MC
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May 10, 2017 11:17
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Oxygen Deficiency posted:I'm playing through P4 golden a second time right now and thinking about maybe picking up P3P after I'm done. Having never played P3 before is it a decent port? Also is it right that P3P doesn't include the extra stuff from FES? P3P is fine, you miss out on some of the little interactions from not seeing the sprites actually act it out, but every main gist is there, and you get FeMC, which is more than worth it in return. You also miss out on The Answer, but that's not the biggest loss and you can read up all the important plot points online anyway.
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May 10, 2017 11:19
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Oxygen Deficiency posted:I'm playing through P4 golden a second time right now and thinking about maybe picking up P3P after I'm done. Having never played P3 before is it a decent port? Also is it right that P3P doesn't include the extra stuff from FES? The biggest cost you're paying by playing P3P over P3 is that there's no more running around in town or school; moving around and interacting outside dungeons is all menus. I'd personally consider the portable version better in almost all other ways, but it takes a big hit from that. ApplesandOranges posted:You also miss out on The Answer, but that's not the biggest loss and you can read up all the important plot points online anyway. If you really want to play The Answer (you don't) you can always get both versions, play the main game on PSP and The Answer on PS2. NRVNQSR fucked around with this message at 11:23 on May 10, 2017 |
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May 10, 2017 11:21
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This was yet another moment in my life that reminded me that the internet has ruined my brain
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May 10, 2017 11:21
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ApplesandOranges posted:P3P is fine, you miss out on some of the little interactions from not seeing the sprites actually act it out, but every main gist is there, and you get FeMC, which is more than worth it in return. I'd say you miss out on a fair bit of the storytelling, just because some of the big moments are predicated on watching the polygon models interact instead of just 2D portraits, but mechanically it's a much better version.
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May 10, 2017 11:28
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I've already read a summary of The Answer so I can live without it, and female MC is one of the main reasons I want to try out P3P.
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May 10, 2017 11:37
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The Answer is utter garbage so it's no huge loss by any definition. P3P definitely loses out from not having a 3D overworld or navigation outside of Tartarus but everything else is better than FES, especially because of FeMC and direct commands in the combat system.
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May 10, 2017 12:01
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Josuke Higashikata posted:The Answer is utter garbage so it's no huge loss by any definition. Seriously, who the hell thought removing the Compendium was a good idea? 
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May 10, 2017 12:02
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Anything that implies Yukari is my waifu and not in the trash can is rubbish. Not even Heartful Cry saves it.
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May 10, 2017 12:21
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Replacing the animated cutscenes and also everything outside of Tartarus with Visual Novel-style character portraits and dialogue boxes against static backdrops is a pretty severe hit to the presentation, and the addition of direct commands for all party members make the game humongously easier than FES since the rest of the game hasn't been rebalanced around it, but FeMC is extremely cute 
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May 10, 2017 12:34
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The Male MC route and Female MC route have actual, proper differences, so it feels fresh. For starters, they have some different social links. And different stat requirements for the social links. It doesn't end there. It's actually pretty good. I spent a lot of my time playing video games in the arcade, in game. To raise my stats of course. Naturally, playing video games improves your social skills :P
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May 10, 2017 12:57
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NBD: Cats do that all the time.
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May 10, 2017 13:26
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Walrus Pete posted:This was yet another moment in my life that reminded me that the internet has ruined my brain I couldn't believe that Atlus goatsied us all.
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May 10, 2017 13:45
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Oxygen Deficiency posted:I'm playing through P4 golden a second time right now and thinking about maybe picking up P3P after I'm done. Having never played P3 before is it a decent port? Also is it right that P3P doesn't include the extra stuff from FES? Honestly, I'd have a hard time picking between P3 FES and P3P. They each have pros and cons. FES:
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May 10, 2017 14:00
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The character models in P3 are hardly any masterpiece of animation to begin with, though. I admit it's been a long time since I played P3P, but I always thought the visual novel presentation and narration did a good job of carrying the scenes. Of course, that could just be because I played a lot of VNs in the past.
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May 10, 2017 14:10
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I think just seeing things acted out makes the scenes a little more impactful and/or memorable, even when the models doing so aren't all that detailed or well-animated. Even the few times they do act something out in P3P, it lacks a lot of the drama, like the MC's Persona awakening. I haven't played all the way through P3P though so maybe I'd get used to the VN presentation just fine, and the gameplay and female MC social links are so much better that I still think it's the slightly better option. It is a lot easier than P3/FES, though, which could be a good or bad thing depending.
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May 10, 2017 14:54
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You know what Persona 5 does really well. The Persona awakenings. Makoto's was the best one imo. Shame we didn't get to see Haru's awakening
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May 10, 2017 15:01
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Sefal posted:You know what Persona 5 does really well. The Persona awakenings. Yusuke's was really good as well. Him dragging his fingers along the ground until they bled was some messed up stuff.
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May 10, 2017 15:03
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Sefal posted:You know what Persona 5 does really well. The Persona awakenings. Yeah, those are good as hell. After not really being a thing in Persona 3 and being the quiet resolution of plot arcs in Persona 4, the awakenings being these huge, dramatic events in Persona 5 owns hard. Agreed on which the best one is, too, though Yusuke's gives her a run for her money. The experience just seems so painful and cathartic this time, with everyone's Persona chastising them for denying themselves, then rivers of blood and a Persona exploding out of their body in a torrent of blue flame. Add to that the "Will Power" opening guitar riff and it's about as rad as it can get. Harrow fucked around with this message at 15:06 on May 10, 2017 |
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May 10, 2017 15:04
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Sefal posted:You know what Persona 5 does really well. The Persona awakenings. You get to see the one that matters and it's up there for the best. It's just that it's hard to top Personabike
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May 10, 2017 15:09
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There's so much that's weird about Haru's introduction, honestly. Like, she has a pseudo-Persona? What's up with that? I don't think we've ever seen something like that in the series before, someone basically halfway being awakened but not quite. I'm not too sure why they went that route with her instead of just having her be fully awakened when she's introduced. Maybe just so that we get some sort of dramatic Persona scene for her? Or so that it's obvious from the start that she's not the Black Mask, despite her black mask, because she clearly can't fight yet? Side question: do all of the Phantom Thieves' voice actors also voice their Personas? It sounds like it and also makes sense, but I'm not sure if that's always true. I know Xander Mobus also did Arsene's voice, at least, and Captain Kidd definitely sounds like Max Mittelman.
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May 10, 2017 15:11
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Harrow posted:Side question: do all of the Phantom Thieves' voice actors also voice their Personas? It sounds like it and also makes sense, but I'm not sure if that's always true. I know Xander Mobus also did Arsene's voice, at least, and Captain Kidd definitely sounds like Max Mittelman. I think they do, yeah. It makes sense since the Personas are the characters themselves, to a degree.
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May 10, 2017 15:15
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Crossed the finish line at around 100 hours. Definitely did not see things shaking out the way they did after the 7th Palace, but I really enjoyed the fact that the ultimate Persona you summon to kill the Big Bad essentially  's it. I mean GODDAMN, you loving blam a god.Really, really well done. It's very clear that there's time built into the game for an expansion. I'm looking forward to a second playthrough, but I might give myself a few days to decompress and get myself set for a second run. It bears mentioning that in this modern age of gaming where it's really easy to grab a shitload of games on the cheap, I rarely finish anything all the way through, let alone around a month after purchase, let alone after 100 hours. Persona 5 was gripping all the way through from beginning to end in a way that even Persona 4 wasn't. Hell, I had Persona 4 in college when I had a lot more free time and I still didn't put in the effort to get all the way through. I really loved all of the social links in this game, and even the weaker ones still had their moments. Of the ones I saw all the way through, Temperance is the best S.Link with good drama and high stakes, but Hermit and Hierophant were also awesome. If you asked me which ones I thought were weak, I thought most of the party S.Links were pretty meh with the exception of Yusuke's, which is hilarious (and of course, the aforementioned Futaba/Hermit). Makoto really needs to learn to laugh when you say 'Beep boop'.
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May 10, 2017 15:19
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say 'beep boop' again. Say 'beep boop' again, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say beep boop one more goddamn time Real talk though, her reaction to that is one of those moments in real life where if she reacted the way she does, you'd go from "hey maybe this could be a little something" to "yeah, gently caress that" in no time.
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May 10, 2017 15:22
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BearDrivingTruck posted:I think they do, yeah. It makes sense since the Personas are the characters themselves, to a degree. Yeah, it's a nice touch. I kinda wish we got to hear the Personas talk more often, actually. At least we get to hear from Arsene a couple times. LuiCypher posted:I really loved all of the social links in this game, and even the weaker ones still had their moments. Of the ones I saw all the way through, Temperance is the best S.Link with good drama and high stakes, but Hermit and Hierophant were also awesome. If you asked me which ones I thought were weak, I thought most of the party S.Links were pretty meh with the exception of Yusuke's, which is hilarious (and of course, the aforementioned Futaba/Hermit). Makoto really needs to learn to laugh when you say 'Beep boop'. I've said it before, but party social links have to be really tough to write. It's sort of expected that a social link will show some sort of growth for the character, but because party members are also major story characters, they need to show some sort of character development over the course of the main story, too. So the social link and main story character development can't really step on each others' toes, and both have to be meaningful. Persona 5 erred on the side of the main story character development being more meaningful for most characters (except Yusuke, I think, which is probably why his social link is one of the better party member ones). I'm not sure what the solution is because I like having party member social links, so I wouldn't want them to go away or all become automatic like Morgana's or anything like that. I was also really impressed by all the social links in this one. There wasn't a truly weak one at all, and I think Temperance, Hierophant, and Hanged Man are maybe the best ones in the series so far. And Hermit, especially because it gives Futaba an opportunity to deliver the sickest burn ever on Mishima.
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May 10, 2017 15:26
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The Sun was my favourite. Especially the last few ones.
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May 10, 2017 15:27
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Harrow posted:There's so much that's weird about Haru's introduction, honestly. And yes all the characters voice their Persona I really wish the Personas talked more cause Arsene's intro and Carmed telling Ann to not to forgive Kamoshida was so loving cool
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May 10, 2017 15:29
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Real talk though, her reaction to that is one of those moments in real life where if she reacted the way she does, you'd go from "hey maybe this could be a little something" to "yeah, gently caress that" in no time. Her reaction to it could be read a couple ways, but I think the "awwww" voice clip that plays implies that she's mildly annoyed but not, like, really angry. I had to look it up, though, because I didn't have the heart to pick that in my actual playthrough  Blademaster_Aio posted:The Sun was my favourite. Oh yeah, Sun is great, too. I think it takes a bit to get off the ground but the last half of it is really awesome.
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May 10, 2017 15:29
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I've seen mentions of getting the "true" ending. Is there a way to post the criteria for the true ending without major spoilers? Is it based on s-links? I hope it's not "get everyone to X level", because I didn't do much with Devil, Hanged Man, or Tower, and there's not enough time left to get them very high.
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May 10, 2017 15:33
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Goddamn loving persona meme videos on youtube just filled my recommended videos with spoilers that I tried to avoid looking at but now I'm pretty sure I know how the game is gonna play out. I just beat Palace 5 too, gently caress.
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May 10, 2017 15:33
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Useless Confidant perks aside, I sort of liked Ohya's plotline. It wasn't spectacular, but it was nice. And the payoff is worth it-- if you max her, it's implied that she tracks down the woman who Shido molested and pressured into testifying against you.
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May 10, 2017 15:34
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WhiteHowler posted:I've seen mentions of getting the "true" ending. It's based on answers 2 and 3 of a specific conversation you have on 11/20. The conversation is obviously the deciding one when you're having it. Don't grass on your friends to Sae
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May 10, 2017 15:35
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WhiteHowler posted:I've seen mentions of getting the "true" ending. It has nothing to do with social links. It's very easy to get, because if you don't get it you'll immediately get a bad ending and get to try the scene that determines which ending you get again. It's not like Persona 4, where the true ending is kinda hidden. What day are you on? If you're past 11/20, you're on the path to the true ending.
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May 10, 2017 15:35
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WhiteHowler posted:I've seen mentions of getting the "true" ending.
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May 10, 2017 15:36
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"True ending" is probably a misnomer for Persona 5. It really should just be "normal ending." There are two bad endings (not counting the bad endings where you run out of time on a Palace) and if you get either of them you just get to reload your save and try again, so they clearly aren't intended as actual endings like the normal ending in Persona 4 can be. "True ending" implies there's something you have to go out of your way to do, but in Persona 5 all you have to do is not get the bad endings.
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May 10, 2017 15:40
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Okay, thanks. I'm on 10/22, so not there yet. I was afraid it was like Witcher 3, where you can get wildly different endings depending on decisions you made throughout an entire 60+ hour game. (I lucked out on that one and am pretty sure I got the "best" ending.)
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May 10, 2017 15:43
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With Witcher 3, there's a clear bad ending where you need to be a total arsehole when you clearly shouldn't be but the rest of the endings would be on the same ranking of "good ending". Persona 5 is nothing like that at all though, true.
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May 10, 2017 15:45
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WhiteHowler posted:Okay, thanks. I'm on 10/22, so not there yet. Really even if you get a bad ending, it's still something interesting to see and won't set you back very far, so if you happen to gently caress up and get a bad ending at least you get to see a cool scene before you try again. Most people make it to the normal/"true" ending without any guidance, though. I definitely needed to be forewarned to get Persona 4's true ending, though. I honestly never would have delayed going home on the last day after visiting all my social links if I hadn't been told I should do that--I might figure it out now, but not like 8 years ago when I first played it. That said, I also thought that was pretty brilliant. There are just a couple hints on that last day that something is left unanswered, and you should keep reaching out to the truth, after all. Josuke Higashikata posted:With Witcher 3, there's a clear bad ending where you need to be a total arsehole when you clearly shouldn't be but the rest of the endings would be on the same ranking of "good ending". I think it's possible to get the bad ending in Witcher 3 without going out of your way to be terrible. There were at least two of the "this can lead to the bad ending" choices where I could see a reasonable person picking the "wrong" one without realizing it as a bad thing to do. I ended up getting the best ending (in my opinion), though. Ciri and Geralt off on adventures as a monster hunting family is extremely  . I can see wanting Ciri to become Empress, but I'd sorta rather keep the family together, because if there's one thing Witcher 3 taught me, it's that taking care of those immediately around you is sometimes the best thing you can do.
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Harrow posted:Really even if you get a bad ending, it's still something interesting to see and won't set you back very far, so if you happen to gently caress up and get a bad ending at least you get to see a cool scene before you try again. Most people make it to the normal/"true" ending without any guidance, though. That's my favourite ending, but I'd argue that the bad ending of Witcher 3 is the actual best written ending because gently caress
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