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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:
Whew, I was worried I couldn't ask candidates if they were alive or not. For our company, living is a vital quality for being able to perform the job duties as described.
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SpelledBackwards posted:Whew, I was worried I couldn't ask candidates if they were alive or not. For our company, living is a vital quality for being able to perform the job duties as described. Oh no vampires huh? I SEE.
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May 10, 2017 14:19
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:According to Title 7 of the CRA of 1964, federally protected classes include race, color, religion, sex and national origin. Age and disability were specifically added by later individual statutes. Some states add language specifically relating to sexual orientation/gender status. You're also protected from discrimination on the basis of family responsibilities because of the equal pay amendment. This makes a lot more sense to me than what was previously being discussed. Also, anyone interviewing you who took 3 seconds to look at your resume already has your address right there.
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May 10, 2017 14:26
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Or you just don't put your address on your resume, which I started doing when I was trying to move cross-country.
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May 10, 2017 14:30
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If your group buy on the snake house falls through you could always go in for the mysterious unpaying tenant house. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/09/nightmare-house-zillow-listing-tells-buyers-dont-ask-about-mysterious-occupant-upstairs.html quote:Should someone buy the home in Cayce, a city near Colombia, the listing says that person assumes responsibility for the tenant upstairs.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Or you just don't put your address on your resume, which I started doing when I was trying to move cross-country.
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Jake Mustache posted:If your group buy on the snake house falls through you could always go in for the mysterious unpaying tenant house. Sounds like the Phantom of the Opera has come down a little in the world.
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SpelledBackwards posted:Whew, I was worried I couldn't ask candidates if they were alive or not. For our company, living is a vital quality for being able to perform the job duties as described. All of this employment law also makes exceptions for "business necessity" which is why you can argue not hiring pregnant women into lead paint factories, for instance.
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May 10, 2017 15:09
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:This bullshit about "can't ask about whether I live or have a car" has literally no basis in reality, and people are readily discriminated against for socioeconomic status every single day with zero legal ramifications. "Hmm, the candidate's address puts them in Little Somalia, better take a miss on that one since they might not 'align with our values'"
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May 10, 2017 15:10
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I don't know about hiring but I do know that in lending you can't exclude people based on thier neighborhood if it is in your service area and you can't design your service area such that it excludes poor and minority neighborhoods.
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May 10, 2017 15:15
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:According to Title 7 of the CRA of 1964, federally protected classes include race, color, religion, sex and national origin. Age and disability were specifically added by later individual statutes. Some states add language specifically relating to sexual orientation/gender status. You're also protected from discrimination on the basis of family responsibilities because of the equal pay amendment. There are state employment laws to consider too, though.
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brugroffil posted:There are state employment laws to consider too, though. True, but those are terribly fragmented. Someone can't make a blanket statement saying that a question is safe or forbidden when it comes to those.
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May 10, 2017 15:40
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Scudworth posted:Oh no vampires huh? I SEE. Look I don't care if you're a blood sucking creature of the night. What you do on your own time is your business. Just don't feed on your coworkers.
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Dwight Eisenhower posted:Look I don't care if you're a blood sucking creature of the night. What you do on your own time is your business. *Doesn't apply to management hires.
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May 10, 2017 16:16
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:According to Title 7 of the CRA of 1964, federally protected classes include race, color, religion, sex and national origin. Age and disability were specifically added by later individual statutes. Some states add language specifically relating to sexual orientation/gender status. You're also protected from discrimination on the basis of family responsibilities because of the equal pay amendment. Neighborhood is frequently a pretty good way to figure out someone's national origin and sometimes their sexual orientation, smugass. If you're a bigot, you're not allowed to burrow around for the bigotry fodder you're looking for. Any questions you use to do that are wrong and will be evidence in the case against you.
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May 10, 2017 16:29
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Neighborhood is frequently a pretty good way to figure out someone's national origin and sometimes their sexual orientation, smugass. If you're a bigot, you're not allowed to burrow around for the bigotry fodder you're looking for. Any questions you use to do that are wrong and will be evidence in the case against you. Really because I'm pretty sure that's used to do exactly that all the time with zero repercussions since it's basically impossible to prove discrimination even when it happens directly let alone via sly loopholes. Like it's not right and you probably shouldn't do it if you're at all a good person but it'd be super hard to prove if it went to court.
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May 10, 2017 16:36
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There's moral reasons you shouldn't ask those questions but also practical reasons - even if the outcome in court is likely to be in your favor whether or not you were bigoted, your employer doesn't want to pay for lawyers either. Why pay more for a lawyer when you can just make it policy to not ask questions that would lead to sticky situations? Sure, lots of places don't have such policies and lots of places are also incompetently managed...
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May 10, 2017 16:53
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ate all the Oreos posted:Really because I'm pretty sure that's used to do exactly that all the time with zero repercussions since it's basically impossible to prove discrimination even when it happens directly let alone via sly loopholes. Employment discrimination law is actually really enthusiastic about siding with the individual filing a complaint, provided you can show discrimination on the basis of your protected class (there are rules that dictate that the burden of proof falls on employers to prove their practices aren't discriminatory, for instance). Which is so wild that stuff like discrimination based on gender still happens, because if anyone who didn't get a job were to file a complaint, the assessment (and the clear pattern of not interviewing female applicants and then hiring very few of those) would be incredibly difficult for the business to defend. Again however, unless you're discriminating against a legally protected class, businesses are basically given carte blanche to hire employees however they see fit. If you can prove you don't hire anyone from poor neighborhoods (natives and immigrants alike, all races) you're free to do so. Doubly so if you can provide some hand-waving argument about how your business needs "the right kind of people." I'm not saying this is fair or right, but it's how the law works.
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pig slut lisa posted:The Derail Bird Resource Center
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:An interviewer once noticed my cell phone's area code (which was for the city we were in, but not that exact neighborhood) and demanded to know where I lived, and told me not living in the same neighborhood as the office was a dealbreaker. The neighborhood was comprised exclusively of multi-million-dollar homes and luxury condos, and the position paid $32k a year. Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Neighborhood is frequently a pretty good way to figure out someone's national origin and sometimes their sexual orientation, smugass. If you're a bigot, you're not allowed to burrow around for the bigotry fodder you're looking for. Any questions you use to do that are wrong and will be evidence in the case against you. Ok then how did you do in the settlement for the lawsuit you obviously filed against that interviewer, since they were so obviously breaking the law?
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:According to Title 7 of the CRA of 1964, federally protected classes include race, color, religion, sex and national origin. Age and disability were specifically added by later individual statutes. Some states add language specifically relating to sexual orientation/gender status. You're also protected from discrimination on the basis of family responsibilities because of the equal pay amendment. This is just plain wrong. Asking about anything related to financial status including whether they have a car is illegal in an interview according to US Equal Employment Opportunity interviewing guidelines. Heres an easy to read PDF explaining what you can and cannot ask about in a interview: http://provost.wfu.edu/files/2010/07/EEO-Guidelines.pdf The relevant section: quote:Financial Status
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pr0zac posted:This is just plain wrong. Asking about anything related to financial status including whether they have a car is illegal in an interview according to US Equal Employment Opportunity interviewing guidelines. Heres an easy to read PDF explaining what you can and cannot ask about in a interview: http://provost.wfu.edu/files/2010/07/EEO-Guidelines.pdf Relevant to the discussion at hand, employers can, in fact, ask for your address, they just can't ask if you rent or own. And if I'm reading this right, you can ask a woman if she plans to take time off for pregnancy (or any other reason), you just also have to ask men the same question.
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Ornamented Death posted:Ok then how did you do in the settlement for the lawsuit you obviously filed against that interviewer, since they were so obviously breaking the law? Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Formal hiring bias studies frequently use fake resumes with similar qualifications, to see if resumes with ethnic or female names, or experience that indicates minority status (volunteering with your local mosque, etc), get weeded out. They always do. You utter loving moron. Rape's not prosecuted much either, so why not drag a girl behind the dumpsters on your way home tonight?
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I find it hard to believe that they can't ask you if you rent or own because I know for a fact companies have different relocation packages based on whether you rent or own, and that said question comes up pre-offer and even pre-face to face interview.
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ranbo das posted:I find it hard to believe that they can't ask you if you rent or own because I know for a fact companies have different relocation packages based on whether you rent or own, and that said question comes up pre-offer and even pre-face to face interview. A job lofty enough to be offering relocation packages generally isn't hiring minorities to begin with. Nothing about the job hunting process is ever going to make sense to any of you if you refuse to think outside your high-skill, high-demand white collar bubble.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:You utter loving moron. Rape's not prosecuted much either, so why not drag a girl behind the dumpsters on your way home tonight? From the way you carry on that literally everything in the world is a conspiracy to keep minorities down, you should have had any number of non-profits lining up to foot your legal fees and/or a whole bunch of civic-minded lawyers ready to take the case on pro-bono (or on contingency). Alternatively, you don't have the courage of your convictions to pursue these injustices and see that the guilty are punished, even when such injustices 100% directly affect you. Or as a crazy third option, asking where someone lives is not, in and of itself, illegal and you knew, deep down, there was no case.
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Ornamented Death posted:From the way you carry on that literally everything in the world is a conspiracy to keep minorities down, you should have had any number of non-profits lining up to foot your legal fees and/or a whole bunch of civic-minded lawyers ready to take the case on pro-bono (or on contingency). "Everything's okay as long as you don't get in trouble for it" - A Guy Super Mad Someone Dislikes Racism
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May 10, 2017 17:52
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ranbo das posted:I find it hard to believe that they can't ask you if you rent or own because I know for a fact companies have different relocation packages based on whether you rent or own, and that said question comes up pre-offer and even pre-face to face interview. All this is very specifically about use of the info in regards to a making hiring decision, so its possible they've got the part of the company thats asking for relocation reasons firewalled off from the hiring decision making part in a legally sound way. If you read the wording from the EEO that would be possible: https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/practices/financial_information.cfm quote:Federal law does not prevent employers from asking about your financial information. But, the federal EEO laws do prohibit employers from illegally discriminating when using financial information to make employment decisions. So basically a recruiter thats sorting out logistics and would be putting together the offer package can ask but anyone whos at all involved in deciding whether an offer would be made cannot.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:A job lofty enough to be offering relocation packages generally isn't hiring minorities to begin with. Nothing about the job hunting process is ever going to make sense to any of you if you refuse to think outside your high-skill, high-demand white collar bubble. The guy in question is from Puerto Rico and only moved to the continental US for college. He's definitely a minority. And if it's illegal for low skill positions, it would be illegal for high skill positions too  pr0zac posted:All this is very specifically about use of the info in regards to a making hiring decision, so its possible they've got the part of the company thats asking for relocation reasons firewalled off from the hiring decision making part in a legally sound way. That actually makes sense and is exactly how they do it (person putting together the offer has no say in hiring and vice versa)
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I am very concerned about this bird and hope he got a cool 3D-printed prosthetic beak. UPDATE: HE DID! Somebody fucked around with this message at 06:03 on May 11, 2017 |
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Ornamented Death posted:From the way you carry on that literally everything in the world is a conspiracy to keep minorities down, you should have had any number of non-profits lining up to foot your legal fees and/or a whole bunch of civic-minded lawyers ready to take the case on pro-bono (or on contingency). You are really underestimating institutional racism, patriarchy and trans/homophobia.
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