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the cool thing about Persona 5 having been out for almost a year is that the anime figures are almost here already The Futaba figure apparently has MORGANA MODE  
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I wonder if a hypothetical expansion/rerelease will rebalance characters like Persona 4 Golden did, or whether it'll be more like FES and mostly just add content. If I remember correctly, Naoto wasn't very useful in the original Persona 4, but Golden turned her into an absolute monster with her social link and bike skills. Because I could see how Yusuke, for example, could end up being awesome as hell with just a couple more available skills. EDIT: Hell, let's do some armchair game design  Thinking about the characters' skill sets, I think I'd maybe adjust them like this (feel free to tell me how wrong I am):
Josuke Higashikata posted:That's my favourite ending, but I'd argue that the bad ending of Witcher 3 is the actual best written ending because gently caress If I can continue this off-topic thing for a moment, I sorta loved how in every ending, Ciri goes off on an insane adventure that could be an entire game in and of itself... entirely off-screen. They didn't even leave themselves room to make a game surrounding that because the conclusion is already set--she succeeds, and either survives or doesn't based on whether Geralt was able to instill in her the courage and resolve she'd need. Harrow fucked around with this message at 16:18 on May 10, 2017 |
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May 10, 2017 15:57
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). I'd rather let him be somehow unique. Maybe if bosses could be crit and he learned Apt Pupil, or something?
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If you answered "beep boop" to poke fun at a girl's insecurities you are probably a huge jerk irl
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May 10, 2017 16:20
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corn on the cop posted:If you answered "beep boop" to poke fun at a girl's insecurities you are probably a huge jerk irl beep boop
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May 10, 2017 16:22
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corn on the cop posted:If you answered "beep boop" to poke fun at a girl's insecurities you are probably a huge jerk irl bants m8 (I didn't give her the ol' beep boop on play 1 when I wasn't doing fun stuff unless it was too good to pass up like I'm a dad but her reaction is still wank)
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May 10, 2017 16:24
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I think the thing with "beep boop" is that you're still early in your friendship with Makoto so it's probably not the time to be ribbing her yet. You don't really get many other options to poke fun at her later, though, so I can't really say whether she'd take it better once she and Joker are closer.
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May 10, 2017 16:25
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The time when it's okay to start ribbing people is literally 1 second after meeting them.
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May 10, 2017 16:25
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corn on the cop posted:If you answered "beep boop" to poke fun at a girl's insecurities you are probably a huge jerk irl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHvt0VBWol0
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May 10, 2017 16:26
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corn on the cop posted:If you answered "beep boop" to poke fun at a girl's insecurities you are probably a huge jerk irl More like I'm keeping the protagonist in character.
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May 10, 2017 16:28
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It's entirely possible that due to my incredible inefficiency and my wish to max all stats to do my 'real' 100% game in NG+, I will end my first playthrough having maxed zero friends.
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May 10, 2017 16:32
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I think Persona 5 is also pretty consistent with it generally being cool to dunk on your friends but you should lay off the things they're actually insecure about. Like, Morgana calls Ryuji dumb all the time, but Ryuji kinda accepts that about himself and makes no secret he has no interest in academics at all. Ryuji makes fun of Ann's acting but that's not something she cares all that deeply about so while she's mildly insulted, she's never really hurt. Meanwhile, "beep boop" hits Makoto where it hurts, because she already feels bad about her difficulties relating to other people. And Ryuji ripping on Morgana really hard about something Morgana is already depressed about crosses a line. Makoto's instance is pretty mild, all told--she mostly has a "hey, come on, not cool" reaction.
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May 10, 2017 16:32
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Harrow posted:Honestly, I'd have a hard time picking between P3 FES and P3P. They each have pros and cons. You make a lot of valid points. Which is why I will endeavor to play BOTH and get the full experience! They should rerererelease a version that has the best of both FES and P3P as like a phone app or something. I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
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May 10, 2017 16:34
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Harrow posted:I think Persona 5 is also pretty consistent with it generally being cool to dunk on your friends but you should lay off the things they're actually insecure about. Like, Morgana calls Ryuji dumb all the time, but Ryuji kinda accepts that about himself and makes no secret he has no interest in academics at all. Ryuji makes fun of Ann's acting but that's not something she cares all that deeply about so while she's mildly insulted, she's never really hurt. This is kinda how I feel about it - like, she'd probably be ok with "beep boop" after she's gotten over her insecurities, but telling it to her when that option comes up is just rubbing salt in that wound. Really, "don't kick people when they're down" should be a general rule of conduct.
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May 10, 2017 16:38
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"Beep Boop" is good, but my favorite joke dialogue has to be: "Quick, say something witty to her." "Something Witty." "Dammit, I knew you were gonna say that."
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May 10, 2017 16:42
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Kay Kessler posted:"Beep Boop" is good, but my favorite joke dialogue has to be: Calling that guy during Kaneshiro's arc a "Pizza Smuggler" is pretty good too. That's right! You have to smuggle it to people while it's still hot!"
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May 10, 2017 16:51
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Haru Would Have Laughed
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May 10, 2017 16:54
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Another point for Haru, since she responds best to gags. I thought it was just the devs making her easy to rank up to compensate for her placement, but no, she apparently gets pretty "eh" with you if you're more blandly "supportive".
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May 10, 2017 16:56
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So I found a couple of "Ultimate Arsene" videos and I can't decide which one I'd rather make. My plan right now is still "Debilitate + Auto-Ma-kaja" Arsene, because it's useful, thematically appropriate, and much easier to pull off than either of these two, but I can't deny these are both cool as hell. Riot Gun Arsene (this one shows Joker's ultimate Persona briefly so SPOILERS): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPxV9efA8M8 Almighty Magic Arsene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CCsVlRQYl0 (I'm assuming the damage on that magic one is significantly less than in the Riot Gun one just because the Reaper has higher defenses, though I really don't know, because that Riot Gun damage is  as hell.)The gun one would be easier to make, because the magic one needs Magic Ability, which you can only get randomly from Network Fusions and that sounds like a huge pain in the rear end. On the other hand, magic Arsene + gun Satanael could be a pretty good combo, though Arsene's stats are definitely going to be higher because you can min-max him up from level 1.
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Also I love all the dialogue options where you just dunk on Ryuji. "Ryuji's a Phantom Thief."
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May 10, 2017 16:58
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Before I made my auto-heat rising Arsene with Nukes, I also considered a Gun build but decided against it because I think the actual Arsene Lupin would never touch a gun.
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Harrow posted:So I found a couple of "Ultimate Arsene" videos and I can't decide which one I'd rather make. My plan right now is still "Debilitate + Auto-Ma-kaja" Arsene, because it's useful, thematically appropriate, and much easier to pull off than either of these two, but I can't deny these are both cool as hell. Calm down.
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May 10, 2017 16:59
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What do you even do with an Arsene like that if you've already beaten the game? There is only the 1 NG+ fight and the Reaper that are harder than the last boss right? Or is it just to 1 shot bosses because that is cool too
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May 10, 2017 17:04
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Seriously, who the hell thought removing the Compendium was a good idea? Doesn't Persona 3 always for some reason wait until a month or two to give you the companion? I remember Elizabeth not giving it to you until after I think second or third Arcane boss.
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May 10, 2017 17:05
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Scorps posted:What do you even do with an Arsene like that if you've already beaten the game? There is only the 1 NG+ fight and the Reaper that are harder than the last boss right? Mostly just because it's cool. I'd love it if there was some kind of post-game bonus dungeon where something that powerful could be really shine but as it is it's just something to do for the hell of it.
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ChaosArgate posted:Before I made my auto-heat rising Arsene with Nukes, I also considered a Gun build but decided against it because I think the actual Arsene Lupin would never touch a gun. and he did famoulously hate hiroshima after all.
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Moltrey posted:the cool thing about Persona 5 having been out for almost a year is that the anime figures are almost here already Way to spoil Futaba's mid-season upgrade IDIOT
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Scorps posted:What do you even do with an Arsene like that if you've already beaten the game? There is only the 1 NG+ fight and the Reaper that are harder than the last boss right? It's just Arsene is insanely cool and I'd use any excuse to have him be useful. It's more serendipity than anything else but Arsene frontloads Agility and has Ryuji-level Endurance so he actually makes a great support persona with the Auto-ma-kaja and Debilitate build. You could make some Giga Arsene that nukes everything but that's waaaay too much effort for something that's super overkill. It's really  but in this game it's easier than ever to fine-tune your personas, and that's pretty fun.Harrow posted:rebalance talk Something I suggested before but just change it so bosses can be crit but not held up. Would make Yusuke a ton more useful. His skill set is pretty barren too-- maybe give him Debilitate?
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On the countdown for the 3rd Palace now. The ogres were kicking my rear end until I tried using mental ailments. Looks like Shiisa is going to be my MVP for this dungeon; I need to fuse Onmoraki into something better too, now that it has Pulinpa and Confuse Boost. Thinking Ryuuji/Morgana/Makoto for the initial run on the treasure room. I'm not wild about using someone without Baton Pass but Vajra Blast & Mafrei should be real good for sweeping trash mobs out of the way. Tell me, though: is it possible to fail the first countdown when Makoto is trying to blackmail you, or is that just a total fake-out?
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Rangpur posted:On the countdown for the 3rd Palace now. The ogres were kicking my rear end until I tried using mental ailments. Looks like Shiisa is going to be my MVP for this dungeon; I need to fuse Onmoraki into something better too, now that it has Pulinpa and Confuse Boost. Thinking Ryuuji/Morgana/Makoto for the initial run on the treasure room. I'm not wild about using someone without Baton Pass but Vajra Blast & Mafrei should be real good for sweeping trash mobs out of the way. No, that's just a fake-out, and a well-done one at that.
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May 10, 2017 17:47
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Rangpur posted:Tell me, though: is it possible to fail the first countdown when Makoto is trying to blackmail you, or is that just a total fake-out? The story automatically advances to the point where it gets replaced. It's a fake-out.
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Instant Grat posted:The story automatically advances to the point where it gets replaced. It's a fake-out. ROFL Octopus posted:No, that's just a fake-out, and a well-done one at that. What about with Yusuke's ultimatum? Are there special scenes where the story automatically advances, or do they just force you into the Palace in time? Or is that one where there is a failstate?
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May 10, 2017 17:48
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Harrow posted:Are there special scenes, or do they just force you into the Palace in time? They're talking about the part before the third palace where the countdown gives you something like 2 weeks until Makoto sends the recording of Ryuji spilling the beans to the police. Before you come close to meeting that deadline, the story automatically advances to the point where Kaneshiro's blackmailing everyone, and then you get a different deadline before the pics get leaked.
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Instant Grat posted:They're talking about the part before the third palace where the countdown gives you something like 2 weeks until Makoto sends the recording of Ryuji spilling the beans to the police. Before you come close to meeting that deadline, the story automatically advances to the point where Kaneshiro's blackmailing everyone, and then you get a different deadline before the pics get leaked. Yeah, I forgot that there's no "go into the Palace" part before that deadline. There is with Yusuke's though, right? Can you fail that one, or does it also have a way of preventing that?
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So helpful that you can just go "remember me?" to the fusion fodder in NG+ without having to re-negotiate with them.
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Harrow posted:My gut says that P3P is maybe slightly better, if only for the better Social Links the female main character gets People like these? They felt like the most hamfisted romance novel tier bullshit to me. the equivalent slinks for the male protagonist are actually some of my favorite dating slinks in the series because you just kinda hang out and gradually they start to like you (instead of a link that's almost entirely the same until you make an arbitrary "pls be GF" choice near the end, like 4/5, it actually felt like a relationship that progressed in a natural way). Meanwhile the female ones are all about how awesome and special you are & you've completely changed my life by existing and picking responses as I monologue at you main character chan her other unique ones are whatever too, they're basically equivilent as the male ones except for junpei slink which feels completely pointless because it's basically just "I think you're pretty cool and have your back" repeated over and over again because all his actual character development happens in the story. iirc it also isn't effected by junpei being mad at you in story which is really dumb something you didn't mention is that P3P has notable loading times even when installed, this and being effectively forced into direct control means that fights take even longer in a game where they already run thin after a while
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Sefal posted:You know what Persona 5 does really well. The Persona awakenings. Ann's was the best imo. Break free, grab a sword, jump slash murder your Kamosida illusion.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Ann's was the best imo. Break free, grab a sword, jump slash murder your Kamosida illusion. Theres no way Ann knew that harming a cognition wouldnt harm the person in the real world yet. That was insanely risky.
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darealkooky posted:something you didn't mention is that P3P has notable loading times even when installed, this and being effectively forced into direct control means that fights take even longer in a game where they already run thin after a while That's also true, I forgot about the loading times. I do like the FeMC social links, if only because I like having party member social links that aren't all romances. Also there's a Koromaru social link. That said, and this is something I didn't mention in my original post, but I actually kinda think Persona 3 loses something when you can directly control your party members. It's something I'd never want to give up in 4 or 5, but it kinda works in 3, and everyone should have the "Mitsuru just won't stop casting Marin Karin" experience  If I was going to replay Persona 3 now, I think I'd go with FES, but I could see P3P being appealing for other reasons.
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darealkooky posted:People like these? They felt like the most hamfisted romance novel tier bullshit to me. the equivalent slinks for the male protagonist are actually some of my favorite dating slinks in the series because you just kinda hang out and gradually they start to like you (instead of a link that's almost entirely the same until you make an arbitrary "pls be GF" choice near the end, like 4/5, it actually felt like a relationship that progressed in a natural way). Meanwhile the female ones are all about how awesome and special you are & you've completely changed my life by existing and picking responses as I monologue at you main character chan No the persona 3 MC romance links suck because there's less build-up (you start dating at like rank 6) and more importantly: you have to romance every girl. I haven't played it admittedly but the Junpei social link sounds interesting if only for the fact that it can only be platonic. e: by the way, if you're insanely masochistic and love bad mechanics, you can still set the AI in P3P to auto, it just has smarter AI. ROFL Octopus fucked around with this message at 18:03 on May 10, 2017 |
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Harrow posted:There's so much that's weird about Haru's introduction, honestly. From last page, but this is how I interpreted it: Morgana mentioned a lot that he trained Haru, so my assumption is that he taught her how to summon a Persona, but without the actual awakening it amounts to a half-effort. Maybe, like, a cognitive illusion of a Persona. They are in the Metaverse, after all.
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