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To be fair they then nerfed Falstad for 18 patches in a row. He's probably the most nerfed hero in HotS.
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Weird, I don't remember that Uther nerf in the PTR notes. Guess Wave of Light is even less attractive now most of the time over Hammer of the Lightbringer.
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May 10, 2017 18:04
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Guess I should use Alarak now while the getting is good.
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BrianBoitano posted:Unless you can get far-away camps right before objectives, like siege camps at 2:00 on Cursed Hollow or bruiser camps at 4:30 on Sky Temple (assuming both temples were finished with no delays) if i was that probius i would uninstall
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May 10, 2017 18:10
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SKULL.GIF posted:I still like that they buffed Falstad eighteen patches in a row but the two instances in this game's history that Li Li was a popular pick she was instantly nerfed. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Please Rework This Little Panda Girl.
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May 10, 2017 18:13
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BrianBoitano posted:All PTR changes went live just now with the exception of:
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May 10, 2017 18:17
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Khorne posted:Why do they even have locked camera? It should automatically give you a loss and not give your teammates a loss when you enable it. It's for Gall, obviously. It's called immersion, look it up some time
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May 10, 2017 18:30
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Yeah if you're not displaying godlike map awareness and soaking multiple lanes at all times it's hard to justify playing TLV or abathur. After 10 I barely split them up. Spin to hit someone with multiple hits and surprise people with a slapdown. Play Again is great if 1 dies, you just leave one of the two remaining to keep doing DPS while the other runs back and summons them all together.
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May 10, 2017 18:31
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Poultron posted:It's for Gall, obviously. It's called immersion, look it up some time Yeah I can't gall without it, honestly. Trying to keep the camera with cho is super disorienting while trying to aim rapid fire artillery
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May 10, 2017 18:47
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I toggle the camera lock frequently when playing as Gall. With the camera lock on, Cho's movements throw off my accuracy pretty hard.
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May 10, 2017 18:53
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The map: Hanamura The sitrep: Our core is at 2 health, with a 2-shot payload waiting for the enemy team thanks to Azmofat. Their core is at a comfortable 4 health, with no payloads on our side at all. Things are looking dire, maybe even impossible; after all, you can't come back on Hanamura. The come back on Hanamura: Somehow, we managed to stall them for a full five minutes while we gradually plunked away at their tier 1 forts, got a 3-shot payload, waited for both of OUR payloads to spawn, team wiped them, and won the game with a 3 level lead. Perhaps everyone was just playing the map wrong the whole time :bwsilly:
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May 10, 2017 19:04
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Gustav posted:Merc camps are grossly underestimated in general. Not in the games I've been in. I constantly see teams throw objectives, give up lanes entirely, or waste 30 seconds of the other team being down 3+ dudes to merc. You're right they can be a great for keeping pressure in multiple lanes or forcing the other team to make hard choices about whether to give free damage on structures or come to a teamfight as 4v5. The reason you see a lot of good goons say "ignore mercs, focus on lane/objective" is because it's hard for a lot of players to gauge when to merc and which camps are useful at which times, and when you'd need to escort the mercs or when they're good wrecking stuff on their own. Since it's easy to gently caress that up, focusing on the basics works. Few games are lost because you didn't merc if you were doing something else useful. Poultron posted:Perhaps everyone was just playing the map wrong the whole time :bwsilly: Coolness Averted fucked around with this message at 19:56 on May 10, 2017 |
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May 10, 2017 19:44
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I started playing this horrible game with goons since I could get a bunch of dudes right off the bat; so far I really enjoy Tychus because he is a bad boy with a minigun that can attack on the move. How do I not be a complete detriment to my team? What the hell is run-and-gun used for besides making the enemy Tracer spend an extra dash to run you down? Also what is the most efficient strategy for making that goddamn enemy Tracer do the chaingun cha-cha?
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Reddit put together a "pick your favorite 6 maps" poll. https://goo.gl/forms/oBe9hyF4GC7TIRtY2 I did one just for goons because I want to see how we differ from Reddit: https://goo.gl/forms/AefASRlKLWUkaRCL2 Please do both so we can tell people their favorite map is wrong. e: finding the results page is confusing if you've already submitted a response. Here are the live results. BrianBoitano fucked around with this message at 20:14 on May 10, 2017 |
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May 10, 2017 19:54
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ChickenHeart posted:I started playing this horrible game with goons since I could get a bunch of dudes right off the bat; so far I really enjoy Tychus because he is a bad boy with a minigun that can attack on the move. How do I not be a complete detriment to my team? What the hell is run-and-gun used for besides making the enemy Tracer spend an extra dash to run you down? Tracer usually has to make mistakes for Tychus to punish. You can bully her out of a lane since she needs to get close (just like you) but she's a lot more mobile. Tychus's niche is being really tough to kill and shredding low mobility high HP dudes.
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The top 7 for the Reddit one honestly is spot on: Battlefield of Eternity, Cursed Hollow, Dragon Shire, Infernal Shrines, Sky Temple, Tomb of the Spider Queen, Towers of Doom. All are three-lane maps (except Battlefield) with a ton of skirmishing over the objective, and the objective is binary. The other maps are either huuuuuuge, sloooooow, PVE-oriented, or have objectives that apply for both teams at the same time.
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May 10, 2017 19:59
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I voted for Garden of Terror unironically  Battlefield of Eternity sucks
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ChickenHeart posted:I started playing this horrible game with goons since I could get a bunch of dudes right off the bat; so far I really enjoy Tychus because he is a bad boy with a minigun that can attack on the move. How do I not be a complete detriment to my team? What the hell is run-and-gun used for besides making the enemy Tracer spend an extra dash to run you down? Tychus strategy against trace is "eat poo poo" The guy is a tank shredder. Click on the fat guy walking into your team and melt him for needing to stay in your range to do his job. Q is for finishing off people or harassing other assassins to take some pressure off yourself. Once you get +range and damage late game it's a great squishy killer. I like In The Rhythm. Just get stacks as you can and then you'll have like 5 seconds of tank be gone. Don't save his D just get that damage up in there. Prioritize people who have to fight you in your own range, preferably when they are bogged down by your team. If the enemy team is a lot of assassins it will be rough. Ult is preference but I like laser because it let's me minigun still.
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Kashuno posted:Towers of Doom is slow Capture more forts. It makes a big difference. My Towers game generally end at 17-18 minutes.
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May 10, 2017 20:04
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Battlefield is my favorite map because it's usually a ridiculous meat grinder with 15 takedowns per objective.
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Tomb is the best map. Nice compact size and still 3 lanes, simple objective, lots of teamfights, epic throw pit.
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I wonder if this iteration of the map discussion will finally solve the debate.
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Yeah I like the compact maps way way better than the hulking monstrosities that are Garden of Terror and Warhead Junction. Being huge works for Cursed Hollow, though. Probably because of the double boss and because it encourages push strats.
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Elysium posted:Tomb is the best map. Nice compact size and still 3 lanes, simple objective, lots of teamfights, epic throw pit. Yeah Tomb is definitely my fav as well. I do really like BHB as well though, mostly because of the central objective point. Battlefield is also fun for the central objective.
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ToastyPotato posted:Yeah Tomb is definitely my fav as well. I do really like BHB as well though, mostly because of the central objective point. Battlefield is also fun for the central objective. BHB would be my seventh pick if I had to pick seven instead of six. (My six were Tomb, Braxis, Towers, Battlefield, Sky, and Shrines)
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beejay posted:I wonder if this iteration of the map discussion will finally solve the debate. We will enshrine the winners in the OP and questioning the wisdom of the goons will be probatable 
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May 10, 2017 20:32
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I like Blackheart's Bay. I mean it's a bad map, but pirates!
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I like having a rotation of varied maps where different characters & builds, strategies, and mechanics change the flow of the game. I think the "both teams can have an objective up" works as a comeback mechanic which is one of the strengths of HoTs. A team that was losing still being a risk if they can get a terror around level 20 keeps the game interesting, rather than just falling into "Well, we won 10 minutes ago, the match just won't end for another 10" trap of other MOBAs. Part of the problem with the universally reviled maps is they feel like there's little interaction and the objective just tends to lead to a snowballing (pre-rework Mines, Blackheart's Bay). New Mines feels kinda 'meh', but the original version and some of the bandaids they threw on it was just terrible. For those of you that didn't play back then: The golems stayed in one lane and rose up where they died, making it very hard to recover after losing the first golem. Since even if yours was stronger later on, you had to dedicate more resources to defending. This was also back when characters had less balance in terms of strength at different levels and many were squishier at low levels. Their worst bandaid for it was to cap the first golem's strength. So even if you got all of the skulls your golem was only as strong as if you'd gotten just about half. IIRC it was 45/100. What was particularly lovely about this is the game didn't have any sort of indicator of that cap, which created a bullshit system mastery hidden mechanic. Where a team that didn't read the patchnotes would waste time collecting 20+ extra skulls for nothing, or two good teams would specifically NOT engage each other over the first objective to hurry up and go soak. edit: Airspace posted:I like Blackheart's Bay. Yeah Blackheart's has a great theme and fun announcer, but the map is just too big for the specific mechanic. I agree with the usual goon wisdom of just compacting it a bit, like removing the bottom (or top lane and adding the boss to bot) would go a long way towards making it a better map. I think Towers of Doom really is a better iteration of what they were trying to do with Blackheart. Coolness Averted fucked around with this message at 21:08 on May 10, 2017 |
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Airspace posted:I like Blackheart's Bay. Blackhearts could be good. Just cut it down to Tomb size.
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Retire Blackhearts Bay and make Blackheart a hero imho
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SKULL.GIF posted:The top 7 for the Reddit one honestly is spot on: Battlefield of Eternity, Cursed Hollow, Dragon Shire, Infernal Shrines, Sky Temple, Tomb of the Spider Queen, Towers of Doom. All are three-lane maps (except Battlefield) with a ton of skirmishing over the objective, and the objective is binary. Battlefield of eternity is two lanes and it sucks
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Elysium posted:Blackhearts could be good. Just cut it down to Tomb size. Just delete the top lane and it's ok. And make the boss worth something while you're at it
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May 10, 2017 21:45
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OL BLACKHEART'S GOT A GIFT FOR YE HEHEH
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Garden of Terror is a fun and good map in QM. People don't seem to understand the objective or how to use the terror or anything about the map, though, and it's a kind of crap competitive map. Infernal Shrines, Spider Queen, Dragon Shire are three of my favorites personally. Braxis doesn't seem that bad either if I'm being honest, although the rotations through mid are unbelievably awkward.
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Towers is the best map, gently caress all y'all.
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Semper Fudge posted:Retire Blackhearts Bay and make Blackheart a hero imho Hell yes. Best character in the game. The docks need to be two lanes. The top and other top Lane poo poo is awkward and makes the bottom lane basically a different game happening concurrently E: a Merc focus map can be good. But the geography is trash
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Semper Fudge posted:Retire Blackhearts Bay and make Blackheart a hero imho That would be neat, a Nexus category of heroes Although would it dilute the game of being a Blizzard all-stars style game if they added completely new and unique heroes that were outside any existing game?
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I dislike Blackheart's Bay because it often just devolves into PvE. This is just my big smelly opinion. Semper Fudge posted:Retire Blackhearts Bay and make Blackheart a hero imho Let's get the Raven Lord and the Gravekeeper while we're at it. Kaldaris fucked around with this message at 22:30 on May 10, 2017 |
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The only maps I truly dislike are Battlefield and Mines. Other than that, they all have good and bad aspects to me. That aside, loving this balance patch. Huge buff/QoL change to Snipe Master and small buff to Unending Hatred? I love both those talents, sign me up!
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