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Give me the sugar, give me the tomatoes and chocolate, corn and potatoes. Give me colonies!
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May 10, 2017 21:29
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Merchant me. Besides that, I was if whether there's a summary of the national ideas of Andalus and the other big players available? Would be interesting to know if they've changed significantly from vanilla, but if you want to keep it under wraps for story purposes that's fine. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 22:20 on May 10, 2017 |
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May 10, 2017 21:32
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Merchants!
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May 10, 2017 21:56
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I change to supporting the League of Merchants
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May 10, 2017 21:56
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 I, Chatrapati, remain a member of the Ulama. The learned Mullah Mountaineer is correct. Our alliance with the Celts has brought us nothing but the death of thousands, both in Al-Andalus and Siqilia. These endless wars may have brought new titles to the Taifas, or gold to the merchants, but it is the good people of the book who suffer.
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May 10, 2017 22:15
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I agree wholeheartedly and consequently change my allegiance to the Ulama faction. Our involvement with the Celtic Empire managed to trick us in an expensive and disastrous war with France while our Muslim brothers in Italy are threatened with destruction. We have already expanded our borders enough for the time being. Now is the time to convert the infidel lands and honor our guarantee of Palermo.
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May 10, 2017 22:22
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I, Lutfi al-Uthman, remain with the Taifas! The French are nothing but squatters on proper Andalusian land!
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May 10, 2017 22:45
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I will be offering my support to the League of Merchants, the Taifas have shown their incompetence in the defeat against the French.
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May 10, 2017 22:53
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If the New Taifas are still in control after two more sultans, I am definitely hoping for a Merchant/Ulama coalition or coup to overthrow the nobles. We will not be able to colonize or convert any of our Christian provinces until the leadership changes, but we will always have opportunities to get into more Iberian and French wars.
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May 10, 2017 23:04
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It is by the grace of Allah that we came out of that last war without having our gains reversed. Let us consolidate, and re-educate the heathens we have conquered so that rather than raising in pointless rebellion, they will eagerly take up the Koran and the Sword, to give their former countrymen their choice of one or the other. We must rule this peninsula, on that we are almost all agreed, but rulership is not merely conquest. That way lies hubris, and being cast down so that more worthy ones will step up. Let us instead prove ourselves worthy of the entire peninsula by demonstrating the superiority of Allah to those we have taken in. I still stand with the Ulama.
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May 10, 2017 23:15
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What's the current tally, out of curiosity? I'm curious how close it actually is with the defections we've had.
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May 10, 2017 23:25
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Snipee posted:If the New Taifas are still in control after two more sultans, I am definitely hoping for a Merchant/Ulama coalition or coup to overthrow the nobles. We will not be able to colonize or convert any of our Christian provinces until the leadership changes, but we will always have opportunities to get into more Iberian and French wars. I for one will strategically defect if one faction stays in power too long. Hopefully it won't come to that and the OP will allow the two minority factions to form coalitions.
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May 10, 2017 23:27
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Would we simply sit by as those in France and heathens raise great armies to array against us? Will encouraging greed of self-interested merchants really help this great land? I find it hard to believe: we simply need more and better men to fight!
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May 10, 2017 23:28
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I remain with the Ulama. We must spend time recovering from our losses, training new Holy Warriors and, most importantly, converting the infidels into the true faith. A shifting sand can not be stood upon, and until we create bedrock out of these provinces by implementing the will of God, we shall never come to victory against the might of France and Italy.
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May 10, 2017 23:28
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Merchandising
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May 10, 2017 23:31
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I remain with the League of Merchants.
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May 10, 2017 23:36
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I've decided that being poor sucks. I change my faction to the League of Merchants.
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May 10, 2017 23:40
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Al-Orcus feels that faith alone will not be enough to secure our future in the coming years. We will need coin, ships, and cunning. He sides with the League of Merchants
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May 10, 2017 23:47
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I also remain with the Ulama, as only with His will will we succeed in any Earthly endeavour!
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May 11, 2017 00:04
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I remain with the New Taifas, however I urge more caution than we have shown previously. We'll be lead to ruin if we rush in without care.
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May 11, 2017 00:17
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I will swap to the League of Merchants. Our alliance with the celts has been fruitful in opening new markets for our most worthy of goods. We must seek more markets, more exotic and further abroad.
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May 11, 2017 00:25
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Siding with the Merchants this time. All the New Taifas got us was Aggressive Expansion and bitter humiliation.
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May 11, 2017 00:38
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Swapping to Merchants, as I heard there was some profit to be made West of Galacia
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May 11, 2017 00:44
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My father served the Ulama for 30 years, and spent his lifetime working on the development of the great city of Cádiz. But no man lives forever, and just as our Sultan died, so did my father. With his passing, i shall take his seat on the Majlis. That said, prayer has never been my forte. It's clear to me that Al-Andalus' future will be built with the riches of trade. Therefore I, Frionnel ibn Frionnel al Frionnel, shall join the League of Merchants.
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May 11, 2017 01:24
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I join the Merchants; Quarla al Ifrinjyy, recent convert to Islam: we must be pragmatic and strengthen the realm before the Taifas imperil us with their foolish adventures. The Castillians must be destroyed, but naked agression at all times will not serve us.
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May 11, 2017 01:36
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Grizzwold posted:
Afraid of offending the French. Can we make this guy king of the merchants?
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May 11, 2017 02:15
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Technowolf posted:
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May 11, 2017 02:19
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There will be no peace until al-Andalus stretches from Qadis to the Pyrenees.
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May 11, 2017 02:38
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I, of course, remain with League of Merchants. As before I seek champion in the coming years the search for a sea route to Mecca while we integrate our new territories and build our economy to better sustain the good works of the Ulama and New Taifas.
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May 11, 2017 02:42
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I join the Merchants Time to digest our gains while fortifying for the next conflict
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May 11, 2017 02:48
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Flavius Belisarius posted:Afraid of offending the French. Can we make this guy king of the merchants? Looks like someone forgot what happened to the AI all those test runs ago... Hashim posted:So I ran the first observer game for the eu4 mod today... We must not let Al Andalus fall to unneeded aggression.
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May 11, 2017 02:48
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So this is how the Deconquista ends: stabbed in the back by our own traders!
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May 11, 2017 02:54
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Better jihad than be Claude 
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May 11, 2017 02:56
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In your haste you tripped and fell on your own sword. Healing that wound is more critical to the future of Al Andalus than rushing off to repeat it. The Iberian peninsula will be ours when the time is right and not a moment sooner.
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May 11, 2017 02:59
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Rodyle posted:So this is how the Deconquista ends: stabbed in the back by our own traders! Yes because this clearly means the end of our expansion in Europe  . I understand your desire to throw the infidels from Iberia entirely, but I would rather not have us fighting all the christian powers at once. We need to consolidate our gains while searching for new sources of strength.
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May 11, 2017 03:18
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I don't even understand what is the purpose of absorbing more Iberian land if we are never going to convert the Christians. Only the Ulama can give our violence some purpose.
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May 11, 2017 03:46
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The jizyah $$$
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Snipee posted:I don't even understand what is the purpose of absorbing more Iberian land if we are never going to convert the Christians. Only the Ulama can give our violence some purpose. Every Christian kingdom in Iberia is French dagger aimed at our heart! We can only achieve any measure of security with their destruction! and think of the borders
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