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May 10, 2017 18:01
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Yes, I think Lazier is getting "help".
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May 10, 2017 19:01
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Cygni posted:Huh, guess Kaiser didn't get ride after all. It's probably better for Juncos to not have another rookie on the team, though. Kaiser didn't have his own sponsorship $$$ like Saavedra which explains a lot. Human Grand Prix posted:Yes, I think Lazier is getting "help". Yeah I'm sure either IMS/IndyCar/Chevy is helping Buddy financially, too bad he needs more help than that 
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May 10, 2017 19:07
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http://www.racer.com/more/viewpoints/item/140320-indycar-s-stream-dreamquote:"Opening day of the season, we had a full-field test at PIR, and we, with a single camera and no voiceover, just the sound of an engine and the sweet look of a car going fast, had hundreds of thousands of viewers," he said. "Over the two days of testing, it was 700,000 to 800,000 uniques. And we knew we were finally tapping into something really special. Like I said last week, Indycar has a lot of leverage going into TV negotiations next year because it knows it has a lot of eager eyeballs ready to watch Indycar practice, let alone the races. And this was before Alonsomania! I stand behind my statement of eating my hat if Indycar does anything streaming-only domestically, but I still believe Indy can use streaming rights as a carrot to get more races on broadcast TV, which is the next best thing to streaming online.
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May 10, 2017 19:23
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KingShibby posted:Yeah I'm sure either IMS/IndyCar/Chevy is helping Buddy financially, too bad he needs more help than that Yeah he needs some more experienced people. Last year was bad but I forgot about his 2015 "effort". I seriously wonder if the team actually intended to put forth a real effort to make the grid that year.
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May 10, 2017 20:00
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WindyMan posted:http://www.racer.com/more/viewpoints/item/140320-indycar-s-stream-dream No one thinks they should go streaming ONLY, that'd be insane. They definitely still need some kind of cable and/or broadcast presence, especially for the 500. But it's just beyond obvious that the future is streaming, millions of people every year are cutting the cord and moving away from cable entirely, and to continue ignoring that audience is idiotic. I strongly disagree that they should use streaming rights as an incentive to get more broadcast coverage. That's living in the past. I've said it before, but IndyCar isn't the NFL or NASCAR, they don't have massive TV contracts to worry about. They can aggressively move forward in ways that other series and leagues can't.
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May 10, 2017 21:40
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wicka posted:No one thinks they should go streaming ONLY, that'd be insane. They definitely still need some kind of cable and/or broadcast presence, especially for the 500. But it's just beyond obvious that the future is streaming, millions of people every year are cutting the cord and moving away from cable entirely, and to continue ignoring that audience is idiotic. The future is streaming, but that doesn't mean there isn't a future in broadcast or cable. It just means people will stream broadcast or cable channels over the internet instead of through cable monopolies. People are cutting cable, but remember that a lot of them are doing it because they don't want to be forced to pay for the 200 channels they never watch or for the only show they watch on a single network. YouTube is launching a live TV service; $35 a month for all the major broadcast networks, a lot of their major cable networks, and all of their sports networks. Sling, PSVue, and other companies are offering pretty much the same kind of deal. As that market continues to grow, a broadcast TV deal automatically becomes a streaming TV deal, too. wicka posted:They can aggressively move forward in ways that other series and leagues can't. And they have been! The article pointed out how Indy has been doing this for a few years now, it's just kind of crept up on them all of a sudden this year. (Then a bonus Nando appeared!) One of the things Indycar could do as a part of an improved TV deal is to get a network to commit some production assets for tests or practices, like with what IMS Productions did with Alonso's test, and then show that on Facebook and YouTube as what would basically amount to a commercial for the upcoming qualifying session and race on NBC or FOX or wherever. Something like that would be an attractive value-add for a network looking to get more views on the various streaming platforms available, as well as to constantly remind them when they should direct their attention towards their televisions.
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May 10, 2017 22:07
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WindyMan posted:The future is streaming, but that doesn't mean there isn't a future in broadcast or cable. It just means people will stream broadcast or cable channels over the internet instead of through cable monopolies. It doesn't mean that at all. The entire concept of channels is redundant. The future is entirely a la carte programming, independent of "channels." What value does ESPN provide in an era when everything is on demand, when every one of the sports they broadcast can do it themselves? Why do I need a channel that plays SportsCenter 18 hours a day when I see those highlights on Twitter seconds after they happen? WindyMan posted:People are cutting cable, but remember that a lot of them are doing it because they don't want to be forced to pay for the 200 channels they never watch or for the only show they watch on a single network. YouTube is launching a live TV service; $35 a month for all the major broadcast networks, a lot of their major cable networks, and all of their sports networks. Sling, PSVue, and other companies are offering pretty much the same kind of deal. As that market continues to grow, a broadcast TV deal automatically becomes a streaming TV deal, too. This isn't the future, either. It's just a stopgap measure by the cable industry. You're not going to see that market grow into anything significant, you're going to see it stem the bleeding a little bit while the major telecoms transition into content producers. E: The whole concept of networks and channels is rooted in a time when getting content from there to here was incredibly expensive and difficult. But today I could make and publish a video in seconds, if I were so inclined. There's just no reason to continue going through these gatekeepers. wicka fucked around with this message at 22:50 on May 10, 2017 |
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May 10, 2017 22:38
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wicka posted:E: The whole concept of networks and channels is rooted in a time when getting content from there to here was incredibly expensive and difficult. But today I could make and publish a video in seconds, if I were so inclined. There's just no reason to continue going through these gatekeepers. Sure there is, if said gatekeepers are going to handle the video production, announcing, advertising, and - most importantly - pay you lots of money to do so. You won't see a sport go truly "streaming only" / "abandon channels" until they can do the math and show that the cost to in-house all of that and get paid directly by advertisers / subscribers results in consistently better money than TV contracts. I do agree that I think it's the model they'll have to get to eventually, but right now TV still pays them.
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May 10, 2017 23:22
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IOwnCalculus posted:Sure there is, if said gatekeepers are going to handle the video production, announcing, advertising, and - most importantly - pay you lots of money to do so. No one is suggesting streaming-only. Just that they operate a streaming service themselves and keep it separate from cable subscriptions. This is exactly what MotoGP does and it's fantastic. I don't know what the numbers are for them but it's certainly an unbeatable experience as a consumer. And the point I've tried to make regarding IndyCar is that their TV contracts aren't particularly huge, so it's much easier to make that math work. And you have to factor in what F1 is currently realizing, which is that there is a huge audience there that literally can't watch a sport they want to watch because it's only available through a service they don't have. That's where the stuff with Alonso's test is important, because it illustrates the vastness of that potential audience. It's not as simple as "our current audience * $10/mo" or whatever you charge. There's a lot of growth potential here. Make no mistake, this is unquestionably the future. IndyCar has a massive opportunity to pick up a lot of ground by exploiting this audience before anyone else. Hell, there are countless examples of now-dominant sports leagues that got to the position they're in by seeing the importance of televised sports coming before everyone else. wicka fucked around with this message at 23:42 on May 10, 2017 |
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May 10, 2017 23:40
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The only real barrier there is still the TV contract - the ones in place don't let Indycar run their own streaming of the race while ABC/NBC also broadcasts it. Sounds like MotoGP is getting the best of both worlds for now.
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May 10, 2017 23:42
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i already stream every race without payin, suck on that world also zach why ur car Urple  i have a feeling this is the Grace Autosport money isnt it? Zach sorta looks like an underaged girl so its fitting i guess
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May 10, 2017 23:55
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IOwnCalculus posted:The only real barrier there is still the TV contract - the ones in place don't let Indycar run their own streaming of the race while ABC/NBC also broadcasts it. Sounds like MotoGP is getting the best of both worlds for now. Part of me wonders if they could use ESPN's current woes to their advantage. They've been saying the rising cost of broadcast rights has been hitting them hard, so offer them the rights at a discount, but with the caveat that their streaming rights aren't exclusive. Hell, maybe there's room for ESPN to be responsible for filming the race, basically the same way Fox works with the Big Ten Network. That's potentially an entirely new business model for ESPN. Cygni posted:i already stream every race without payin, suck on that world This looks like someone challenged them to create the least flattering DW12 livery possible.
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May 10, 2017 23:56
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Still can't believe that Grace Autosport gave themselves A YEAR to set-up an Indy entry, then a couple of weeks before practice said "Oops, we forgot to get an engine, we're not racing". Embarrassing.
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May 11, 2017 00:11
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Cygni posted:i already stream every race without payin, suck on that world I wanted that on the front wing endplates to say Initech.
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May 11, 2017 00:45
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Cygni posted:i already stream every race without payin, suck on that world That fine.
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May 11, 2017 00:56
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wicka posted:No one is suggesting streaming-only. Just that they operate a streaming service themselves and keep it separate from cable subscriptions. This is exactly what MotoGP does and it's fantastic. I don't know what the numbers are for them but it's certainly an unbeatable experience as a consumer. I can go with you if you're talking about streaming AND broadcast. I'd still bet that Indycar would prioritize domestic broadcast TV, if they can get it, over anything else. If they can get more than ten races on NBC and the money's good they'll take that easily. That would not preclude them from setting something up for international streaming, so fans without easy or reliable access to races can PPV them. (Supercross started charging for PPV international access to races this year, actually.) I agree with you that there's a lot of revenue potential there, strictly speaking in terms of markets outside of North America. wicka posted:Part of me wonders if they could use ESPN's current woes to their advantage. They've been saying the rising cost of broadcast rights has been hitting them hard, so offer them the rights at a discount, but with the caveat that their streaming rights aren't exclusive. Hell, maybe there's room for ESPN to be responsible for filming the race, basically the same way Fox works with the Big Ten Network. That's potentially an entirely new business model for ESPN. This is what I've been saying all along about Indycar having a lot of leverage now that it's on the upswing and has a burgeoning online streaming presence. Indycar can either get more coverage for the same money, or the same coverage for more money. It doesn't matter where that money comes from, or the coverage comes from, as long as it all adds up to a better bottom line. Although, going with ESPN this go-around is probably not wise since it's clear it's in firesale mode. My best-case scenario: NBC signs a 4-5 year deal and agrees to put more races on broadcast TV, committing to more NBCSN programming hours (qualifying/practice/testing) and doubles-down on activation across the NBC family of networks, including its streaming services. Indycar gets international streaming rights to everything and sets up in-house (IMS) production for a full-force PPV stream, which they can also use for the international broadcast TV packages to make them more attractive. (This can also eventually become a domestic PPV stream in a few years, if you'd like.) That same stream can be put to YouTube, Facebook, and wherever else during practice sessions that aren't televised, as agreed to in the deal with NBC. Indycar gets paid more and gets more TV viewers every week. It starts a new revenue stream and gives more international viewers a chance to stay hooked after Alonso comes and goes. The series stays in view of social media on a more consistent basis. Everyone wins.
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May 11, 2017 01:31
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Where's Viking? Found some porn for him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j64FMkWKv7A e: Fill me in on the short track stuff Stewart is talking about btw.
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May 11, 2017 02:50
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lmao if you think streaming isn't going to get absolutely kneecapped by the new head of the fcc and his desires to end net neutrality
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May 11, 2017 03:48
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Every young indycar driver looks like a twink.
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May 11, 2017 05:04
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financially racist posted:lmao if you think streaming isn't going to get absolutely kneecapped by the new head of the fcc and his desires to end net neutrality Fortunately I am not an overly cynical 14 year old Redditor so I'm not super concerned about whatever dumb poo poo Pai does for the next 18 months that this administration matters.
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May 11, 2017 05:49
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US streaming might not happen, but I'll be damned if Indy doesn't launch a streaming service for outside NA only like Austrailian Supercars and Nascar have done.
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May 11, 2017 08:25
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Cygni posted:i already stream every race without payin, suck on that world Oh god I'd forgotten about them, they were insisting after forgetting cars need engines last year they would 100% be ready for 2017. So that worked out.
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May 11, 2017 09:02
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Dudley posted:Oh god I'd forgotten about them, they were insisting after forgetting cars need engines last year they would 100% be ready for 2017. we're probably looking at the only set of tires they have
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May 11, 2017 18:50
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Cygni posted:
I will find out the answer to that question this weekend while I'm at The Happiest Place on Earth™ EDIT: Also Alonso is keeping his DW12 after the 500 (as is the norm for him) I'd love to see that museum with the DW12 next to the lovely F1 car KingShibby fucked around with this message at 19:39 on May 11, 2017 |
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May 11, 2017 18:56
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Harvey's scheme is good.
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May 11, 2017 20:38
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Gonna be hard to miss Jack Harvey's car this year. Also good to see SiriusXM back on an Andretti car (even if its due to Honda B2B like before) https://twitter.com/NyeSportsGuy/status/862736773310492673
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May 11, 2017 20:39
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Wow that's sharp. Very nice. 
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May 11, 2017 20:53
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Cygni posted:Gonna be hard to miss Jack Harvey's car this year. Also good to see SiriusXM back on an Andretti car (even if its due to Honda B2B like before) Would explain the uptick in IndyCar radio ads on SXM 
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May 11, 2017 21:22
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This might be Helio's 500 scheme. Kinda meh to me, would be cooler if it was High Life with those colors but im being PICKY. https://twitter.com/Shell_OnTheRoad/status/862661091318534144 
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May 11, 2017 21:56
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Cygni posted:Gonna be hard to miss Jack Harvey's car this year. Also good to see SiriusXM back on an Andretti car (even if its due to Honda B2B like before) I'm drinking this right now and holy poo poo 
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May 12, 2017 00:54
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lol Mario's two-seater has an H-pattern. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfVJqePwCzw Mariowns.
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May 12, 2017 04:09
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Minto Took posted:lol Mario's two-seater has an H-pattern. I see that angle with Mario's helmet and IMS...my brain immediately switches back to early 90's Indy 500 highlights. Like I'm expecting to hear Paul Page, Bobby Unser, and Sam Posey talking him up. Only thing missing is the logos for "K-MART", "TEXACO" and "DIRT DEVIL" on the sides of the car.
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May 12, 2017 04:30
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Maybe he's just more used to it? I don't think IndyCar switched to a sequential system until his last season in '94.
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May 12, 2017 04:31
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I don't remember seeing sequential sticks until 1995. And I'm sure that's why his car has an H-pattern. I just like that he had Dallara go through the extra effort to give him that transmission.
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May 12, 2017 04:42
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gret posted:Maybe he's just more used to it? I don't think IndyCar switched to a sequential system until his last season in '94. Yeah I think '94 was the first year they were used.
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May 12, 2017 04:42
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The two seater is already custom as all hell. At least one of them is running a hopped up J series, not a current Honda V6 or old Honda V8. And if you're building a car for Mario, I'm pretty sure "no" is not an option.
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May 12, 2017 04:51
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IOwnCalculus posted:The two seater is already custom as all hell. At least one of them is running a hopped up J series, not a current Honda V6 or old Honda V8. There's a video of him walking by an S2000, and he's gesturing "rev that sucker". When Mario asks, you do. (unfortunately it took the guy a few seconds to realize HOLY poo poo, MARIO ANDRETTI WANTS ME TO REV IT)
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May 12, 2017 04:54
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Minto Took posted:I don't remember seeing sequential sticks until 1995. And I'm sure that's why his car has an H-pattern. I just like that he had Dallara go through the extra effort to give him that transmission. Rahal's Honda definitely had one.
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May 12, 2017 13:00
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1st practice of the day is green! Feels amazing being back at IMS and I'm still getting goosebumps
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