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JesusIsTehCool posted:Are you even playing the same game as I am? I would say a third of models in 7th have multiple wounds, and they are increasing that in 8th... seriously when is the last time you actually played a game of 40k? One of the main reasons for the damage stat on weapons is because they changed tanks over to having wounds to deal with the imbalance between MCs and vehicles due to MCs having wounds and vehicles having armor stats, since this left MCs a lot more vulnerable to small arms fire. Now they both will just have wounds, but it would be silly for tanks to die to a small amount of small arms fire, so the number of wounds had to go up, but the current rules had nothing for doing multiple wounds with a single shot, so a way was needed to take down those high wound models effectively.
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Texmo posted:The Weapon Damage stat seems to be a way of making an anti-tank weapon distinct from an anti-horde weapon - which is important now that tanks take wounds in the same manner as infantry. It wasn't necessary before, but it becomes necessary with the absence of the vehicle damage system. Couldn't you have just done this with the current strength vs toughness and armor vs AP stats? It appears that everything that is good against monstrous creatures is also good against vehicles, just make anti vehicle and MC guns have high Strength and ap to make them good against the high toughness and good saves? Anti horde weapons could just have a lot of low strength and ap shots right? I am not saying it will be an unfun or bad rule, I just don't think it was really needed to fix any of the problems they said they were trying to fix with 8th, and appears to me to actually to the opposite, makes for more rolls and more looking up numbers. Khisanth Magus posted:One of the main reasons for the damage stat on weapons is because they changed tanks over to having wounds to deal with the imbalance between MCs and vehicles due to MCs having wounds and vehicles having armor stats, since this left MCs a lot more vulnerable to small arms fire. Now they both will just have wounds, but it would be silly for tanks to die to a small amount of small arms fire, so the number of wounds had to go up, but the current rules had nothing for doing multiple wounds with a single shot, so a way was needed to take down those high wound models effectively. This is an added problem to 8th though. 8th is making it so anything can hurt anything. In 7th small arms couldn't hurt lots of MC or were bad at it.
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JesusIsTehCool posted:Are you even playing the same game as I am? I would say a third of models in 7th have multiple wounds, and they are increasing that in 8th... seriously when is the last time you actually played a game of 40k? Which armies? I know MC spam is common, but most non-vehicle units in most armies are single wound models. What books are you looking at that have a third of the units with multiple wounds? It's certainly a thing in some armies, but not most.
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If I count every single unique character, 90% of which can't see the table together in a CAD or anything reasonable in points, then I think the BA codex ends up with over a third multi-wound models. That said, when I fielded my BA yesterday, I had exactly two multi-wound models out of 37 non-vehicles.
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# ? May 11, 2017 05:36 |
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I wasn't actually expecting it, but it would have been nice to see them group toughness, armor, and damage into a single roll; something similar to the way Warmachine does it where the amount you exceed the target number by are the number of wounds you cause. That said, save modifiers, non random warlord traits and psychic powers, faster games, a keyword system, and Orks being competitive (total supposition) are all Good and Cool. Once forgeworld gets around to showing us all the ways they hosed up 30k, everything will be perfect!
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JesusIsTehCool posted:Couldn't you have just done this with the current strength vs toughness and armor vs AP stats? It appears that everything that is good against monstrous creatures is also good against vehicles, just make anti vehicle and MC guns have high Strength and ap to make them good against the high toughness and good saves? Anti horde weapons could just have a lot of low strength and ap shots right? I am not saying it will be an unfun or bad rule, I just don't think it was really needed to fix any of the problems they said they were trying to fix with 8th, and appears to me to actually to the opposite, makes for more rolls and more looking up numbers. Consider a dreadnought with it's 8? wounds - not really great if you need to 8 lascannon shots to kill it, but still nice that you need a minimum of two, and probably more like three or four. 'Less rolls' wasn't so much a design goal as 'Less complexity' - and having everything using the same Toughness/Save system is certainly a lot simpler than explaining the vehicle damage system, and also then trying to explain why a Riptide isn't using it. It seems like a granularization of instant death - high damage weapons will actually do more damage, instead of just having a higher chance to do 1 damage.
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chutche2 posted:Which armies? I know MC spam is common, but most non-vehicle units in most armies are single wound models. What books are you looking at that have a third of the units with multiple wounds? It's certainly a thing in some armies, but not most. I was counting vehicles since they are models in the game... but I mean things like wolfen, thunderwolf cavalry, skyweavers, wraiths, scarabs, chaos spawn, not to mention the dozens of nid units that have multiple wounds. I pretty much can't think of an army that doesn't have common units that are multi wound and they are clearly expanding that in 8th. The notion that damage will not matter most of the time is just obviously wrong. Also noticed you didn't answer my question about actually playing the game. Texmo posted:Consider a dreadnought with it's 8? wounds - not really great if you need to 8 lascannon shots to kill it, but still nice that you need a minimum of two, and probably more like three or four. JesusIsTehCool fucked around with this message at 05:44 on May 11, 2017 |
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JesusIsTehCool posted:I was counting vehicles since they are models in the game... but I mean things like wolfen, thunderwolf cavalry, skyweavers, wraiths, scarabs, chaos spawn, not to mention the dozens of nid units that have multiple wounds. I pretty much can't think of an army that doesn't have common units that are multi wound and they are clearly expanding that in 8th. The notion that damage will not matter most of the time is just obviously wrong. Also noticed you didn't answer my question about actually playing the game. They sure are models in the game! Must have been why I said "it's only ever going to come into play when shooting at vehicles or characters" since I'm saying, you know, it mainly only is going to be used against vehicles and characters since other than MCs those are the main multi wound models out there. And why should I acknowledge your question? I have played in 7th, but me saying that isn't going to mean anything to you.
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# ? May 11, 2017 05:44 |
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Here's a cupola pictures I haven't seen before.
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# ? May 11, 2017 05:46 |
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chutche2 posted:They sure are models in the game! You strike me as a person with very strong beliefs about Anime.
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# ? May 11, 2017 05:48 |
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please don't tell me that's a booster pack
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# ? May 11, 2017 05:49 |
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S.J. posted:please don't tell me that's a booster pack I'm really hoping it is for some side game. The idea of gatcha crap in wargaming is kind of scary.
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TKIY posted:You strike me as a person with very strong beliefs about Anime. Man Playing With Tiny Plastic Spacedolls Accuses Other Of Liking Anime Khisanth Magus posted:I'm really hoping it is for some side game. The idea of gatcha crap in wargaming is kind of scary. Isn't that literally Clix?
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# ? May 11, 2017 05:52 |
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People are surmising that it is some sort of blind buy equivalent to sticker collecting. If that's the case it can gently caress off. Edit: Those sprues don't look right for GW, I'm guessing a licensed third party production for the Japanese market. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 05:57 on May 11, 2017 |
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chutche2 posted:They sure are models in the game! Terminators will have two wounds now. They are changing the game in 8th edition, but they haven't released all of the rules and stuff yet. Stay tuned for more rules and multi wound model information. Lovely Joe Stalin posted:People are surmising that it is some sort of blind buy equivalent to sticker collecting. If that's the case it can gently caress off. The base looks like it has a bump where you plug in the marine's foot.
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# ? May 11, 2017 05:58 |
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chutche2 posted:Man Playing With Tiny Plastic Spacedolls Accuses Other Of Liking Anime Just admit it lol
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# ? May 11, 2017 05:59 |
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:People are surmising that it is some sort of blind buy equivalent to sticker collecting. If that's the case it can gently caress off. Actually yeah, you're right. Definitely not a GW model kit. I wonder if it's even licensed
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chutche2 posted:Isn't that literally Clix? And MageKnight before it I actually played that dumb game.
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# ? May 11, 2017 05:59 |
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:People are surmising that it is some sort of blind buy equivalent to sticker collecting. If that's the case it can gently caress off. Even if it's not a weird japanese thing and they are truly random buys with only 12 models it will be pretty easy just to buy the models you want on Ebay, although it would set GW off in a crazy bad direction.
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# ? May 11, 2017 06:18 |
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I mean the guy in the image looks to be just some dude with a bolter If the models are cool I might get a few on ebay to replace tac marines but I doubt they have rules or anything
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# ? May 11, 2017 06:36 |
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So hey, how's the 40k scene in Virginia? I'm moving to Richmond next year, I know the NOVA is pretty big and I think one of the badcast guys is in virginia. What stores have regular game nights in richmond?
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chutche2 posted:So hey, how's the 40k scene in Virginia? I'm moving to Richmond next year, I know the NOVA is pretty big and I think one of the badcast guys is in virginia. What stores have regular game nights in richmond?
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chutche2 posted:So hey, how's the 40k scene in Virginia? I'm moving to Richmond next year, I know the NOVA is pretty big and I think one of the badcast guys is in virginia. What stores have regular game nights in richmond? Goldmine.
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# ? May 11, 2017 07:29 |
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That is loving magical.
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# ? May 11, 2017 07:33 |
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MonsterEnvy posted:Cause they are not exploding and a Template would not have been used anyway. There is a template vacuum now. Read the melta lore.
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titty_baby_ posted:Just admit it lol chutche2 posted:Actually yeah, you're right.
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# ? May 11, 2017 08:29 |
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ijyt posted:There is a template vacuum now. Read the melta lore. Melta's never used Templates.
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# ? May 11, 2017 08:30 |
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MonsterEnvy posted:Melta's never used Templates. I didn't say they did? Please read posts instead of blindly replying.
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Yeah but dude. Meltas dont use templates.
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# ? May 11, 2017 08:44 |
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MonsterEnvy posted:Melta's never used Templates. ahem Just because yours didn't.
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# ? May 11, 2017 08:54 |
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I loved in 2E where dreadnoughts could fire their multimelta either as a 2" blast or as a heavy flamer.
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# ? May 11, 2017 09:13 |
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Yeast posted:ahem Yeah, and there's the Predator Infernus too. Carries a double barreled melta that acts like a sawed-off version of that one. 18 inches and large blast.
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# ? May 11, 2017 09:15 |
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Where did you find pictures of TKWGs army?
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# ? May 11, 2017 09:16 |
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Here's a cupola pictures I haven't seen before. I really want that Rhino box and I can't articulate why.
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# ? May 11, 2017 10:41 |
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Japan really eats up gatcha stuff so I assume it's aimed at just them.
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# ? May 11, 2017 10:56 |
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Small guess, that stuff's designed to go together like Gundams, i.e. snap-fit with no glue, lower grade of plastic than Citadel's stuff. I might try and see if I can import some when they come out, assuming 'Hams don't drive up the prices to ridiculousness.
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# ? May 11, 2017 11:00 |
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So because the sergeant I was gonna use is in stripping limbo, I decided to do a little conversion (idk if that's the correct word for it?) and made this guy. I probably can't use him as a sergeant, but I like the look so maybe he's some kind of captain or something? Idk.
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# ? May 11, 2017 11:08 |
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SteelMentor posted:Small guess, that stuff's designed to go together like Gundams, i.e. snap-fit with no glue, lower grade of plastic than Citadel's stuff. Citadel starter kits are already snap-fit with no glue.
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# ? May 11, 2017 11:08 |
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So someone at the Warhammer Community Site seems to have pulled the trigger for the Datasheet update a bit too early and it was on the frontpage for a while before it got taken down. But I had the tab open before that happened. quote:In Warhammer 40,000, a unit’s rules can be found on its datasheet.
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# ? May 11, 2017 12:49 |
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I like the split of Faction Keywords and Keywords Rubric Marines basic weapon is RF1 AP2, wow
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