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Didn't they run this whole "drag us back to the 70's" thing when Miliband ran? At this point labour really should just run on revoking personal property and central planning because the outpourings from the media will be the same regardless. e: 1980 was the end of the 1970s, often described as "the worst period in Britain's history ever" by media hacks.
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hakimashou posted:Isn't there a danger that if corbyn fails miserably in the election, it will discredit this ambitious manifesto? labour's losing miserably regardless of anything so might as well at least have some principles about it
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What's wrong with nationalising, besides the neoliberals spitting out the usual garbage e.g. "state-run companies are inefficient, it will generate deficit, we need free market and austerity"
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May 10, 2017 23:57
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shut up commie don't u know stalin killed 3000000000000000000000 people
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Pochoclo posted:What's wrong with nationalising, besides the neoliberals spitting out the usual garbage e.g. "state-run companies are inefficient, it will generate deficit, we need free market and austerity"
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Pochoclo posted:What's wrong with nationalising, besides the neoliberals spitting out the usual garbage e.g. "state-run companies are inefficient, it will generate deficit, we need free market and austerity" The people who own newspapers also own shares in sold off utilities. They also resent being made to pay their fair share, no one is less easily separated from their money than those who can most afford it.
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May 11, 2017 00:10
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That Corbyn dude sure is crazy with his insane corporation tax plans! https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9206
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ThomasPaine posted:fair play david baxter fair play. hell of a thing when even people who outright say they are tories are telling everyone to just simmer down for a single solitary second and actually think things through. lol laffer curve
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MrL_JaKiri posted:lol laffer curve a hypothetical of what you being wrong might look like exists ergo you are proven wrong and also from the 70s
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May 11, 2017 01:00
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Some good policies getting lost in the noise of the manifesto leak: - Reduce the voting age to 16 - Extend the right to abortion to Northern Ireland
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jabby posted:- Extend the right to abortion to Northern Ireland Can't be done without taking justice powers back from the Assembly which they wont consent to or a complete collapse and suspension of the Assembly and a total assumption of all their powers So basically a pointless promise that sounds nice on paper and i doubt if collapse does finally happen Labour will go against the SDLP, DUP & UUP (all sitting NI MPs)
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May 11, 2017 01:37
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A more imminently practical and immediately achievable goal would be to amend the NHS Act 2006 to extend free access to anyone ordinarily resident in United Kingdom as opposed to the current wording of Great Britain, which would immediately allow Northern Irish women free access to abortion services in England which they are currently denied edit: you'd have to insert some language about secondary care access but the fundamental principle that there are easier more immediately actionable policy proposals available if you actually want to effect a material difference as a Westminster government before becoming the bull in the constitutional China shop kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 02:04 on May 11, 2017 |
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May 11, 2017 01:55
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Man Britain is hosed. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/business/dealbook/brexit-uk-london-banking.html?_r=0 quote:That prospect was seemingly enhanced this week as France elected as its next president, Emmanuel Macron, who has vowed to ensure that Britain emerges the weaker from negotiations. He has promised to fight any agreement preserving access to Europe for London-based financial services companies, while openly calling for bankers to decamp for Paris.
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May 11, 2017 05:48
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People really shouldn't be shocked when Tory papers rip into the Labour manifesto. It's how the Labour supporting papers handle it that matters.
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May 11, 2017 06:58
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The more I think about the leak the more I think its been leaked deliberately by Corbyn's people. It just makes so much sense to leak it as it gives Labour tons of coverage across the whole press, while just releasing the manifesto as normal will just be given little press. I could well see Labour increase its poll share as well, as the only thing contentious in it is the driverless trains bit. Its a good manifesto.
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May 11, 2017 07:11
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learnincurve posted:People really shouldn't be shocked when Tory papers rip into the Labour manifesto. It's how the Labour supporting papers handle it that matters. All.......1.5 of them?
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May 11, 2017 07:40
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Don't worry everyone https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/862555631319793665
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May 11, 2017 07:55
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Can't wait to see my dad at the weekend and hear that if I was around for the 'bad old days' of the 70s I wouldn't even consider voting Labour. Boomers are such easy targets.
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Chucat posted:All.......1.5 of them? Well there's the Morning Star (lol) and.... um... well
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May 11, 2017 08:20
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"We are going to build a monorail to scotland and make the rich cunts pay for it!" - Jeremy Corbyn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDOI0cq6GZM
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May 11, 2017 08:38
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Whenever anyone says "Labour want to take us back to the 1970s" I want to say that the Tories want to take us back to the 1870s. Or maybe 1912.
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May 11, 2017 08:45
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Oberleutnant posted:Well there's the Morning Star (lol) and.... um... well For some reason I thought the Mirror was pro Labour (and I'm counting the Morning Star as half a paper)
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May 11, 2017 08:50
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The Mirror's really weird. Every now and then they exhibit Correct thought, but usually ruin it with some spiteful article sneering at poors or foreigns.
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May 11, 2017 08:59
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Oberleutnant posted:The Mirror's really weird. Every now and then they exhibit Correct thought, but usually ruin it with some spiteful article sneering at poors or foreigns. They generally don't splash it all over the front page like the Heil, Scum and Express though
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May 11, 2017 09:11
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A good manifesto, definitely heading in the right direction.
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May 11, 2017 09:12
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Why is not sending 'are boys' off to die in a war a bad thing lol
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May 11, 2017 09:18
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“My achievement has been to take an issue that was considered to be completely wrong, perhaps even immoral, and help to turn it into a mainstream view in British politics.” -Nigel Farage
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May 11, 2017 09:29
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"Give me my gun, I can go on no longer." -Hitler, probably
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May 11, 2017 09:31
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jabby posted:Some good policies getting lost in the noise of the manifesto leak: I'm really glad of the voting age reduction being in there, not just because I thinks its a loving sham that at 16 you're considered old enough to work, pay tax and join the forces, but not vote, but also because it indicates that Labour aren't following the US Democrats mistake of rolling over to every attempt to stop their supporters getting to the ballot box (voter ID, gerrymandering & electoral spending). Pochoclo posted:What's wrong with nationalising, besides the neoliberals spitting out the usual garbage e.g. "state-run companies are inefficient, it will generate deficit, we need free market and austerity" The only solution neoliberals can find for literally everything is create a market to foster competition, even in a situation where the competition makes no sense whatsoever. Hence why the USA got poo poo like the ACA instead of actually going for something bold like single payer.
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MikeCrotch posted:I'm really glad of the voting age reduction being in there, not just because I thinks its a loving sham that at 16 you're considered old enough to work, pay tax and join the forces, but not vote, but also because it indicates that Labour aren't following the US Democrats mistake of rolling over to every attempt to stop their supporters getting to the ballot box (voter ID, gerrymandering & electoral spending). Get married, have actual children... yeah, the 18+ voting age is an absolute sham.
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hakimashou posted:“My achievement has been to take an issue that was considered to be completely wrong, perhaps even immoral, and help to turn it into a mainstream view in British politics.” "Pull up pull up pull up!" -Nigel Farage
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hakimashou posted:“My achievement has been to take an issue that was considered to be completely wrong, perhaps even immoral, and help to turn it into a mainstream view in British politics.” 
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May 11, 2017 09:53
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i hate the newspapers in this country so much
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Red Oktober posted:Get married, have actual children... yeah, the 18+ voting age is an absolute sham. I'd rather things like those be raised to 18 than have the voting age lowered to 16.
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May 11, 2017 10:05
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That Brexiteer betting on Le Pen thing on twitter turned out to be a hoax - some PR guy trying to stir the pot a bit. Thing is he assumed the identity of a real person for his joke: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/09/colin-johnson-wollygogg-twitter-hoax-marine-le-pen-bet The Graun spoke to the guy whose identity got stolen and he gave an antifascist quote for the ages: quote:“Anyone who knows me, I’m not fascist, I’m not into none of that bollocks whatsoever.”
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HJB posted:I'd rather things like those be raised to 18 than have the voting age lowered to 16.
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Oberleutnant posted:That Brexiteer betting on Le Pen thing on twitter turned out to be a hoax - some PR guy trying to stir the pot a bit. Didn't someone in the thread find out the real guy is a Sovereign Citizen type?
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May 11, 2017 10:11
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Change the voting age to 18-50 imho.
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HJB posted:I'd rather things like those be raised to 18 than have the voting age lowered to 16. First time an SA post has ever advocated raising the age of sexual consent
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