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Ditocoaf posted:Chuck was running out of money in Season 1 Episode 1, and needed to take HHM money (either cashing out his shares or taking a stipend) because otherwise Jimmy was subsidizing his groceries on his grim PD income. Hell Chuck might have a bank account. He just has no way of accessing it due to his "condition".
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i wonder if hamlin is going to jettison chuck and try to hire kim back
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May 11, 2017 15:01
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ArmZ posted:i wonder if hamlin is going to jettison chuck and try to hire kim back If Chuck is paid out, the firm will probably be ruined.
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May 11, 2017 15:03
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May 11, 2017 15:07
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Just to give my quick analysis of the Gus pipeline/ timeline and how I imagine it worked. -Him and his partner/partner start up their meth/chicken business and get the attention of Don Eladio. -Pool party where Hector meaningfully kills the guy into the pool. -Gus expands to America with the Don's permission. Uses his professionalism and brains to get ahead. -The shenanigans that we saw the last few seasons where Gus starts screwing with Hector. -Gus meets Gail, who is a lab genius. Gail probably works out of a situation similar to season 1 BB. -Gus hooks up with Lydia and the "meth Illuminati" (I like that name.) and starts distributing to Eastern Europe, sidestepping Eladio -Gus brings Eladio mad cash due to his outside selling. Eladio could give a gently caress where it comes from. Hector is humiliated and gets suspicious and something happens, maybe he is poisoned and has his stroke. Either way he is brought low. -Getting to season 1 BB Gus invests his money into his mega lab, finally has his eye on killing Eladio. -Walt/Jessie come in, 2nd pool party. Gus reigns supreme. Probably full of holes but makes kinda sense. Lydia is Gus' lynchpin and she is such a fun character I am sure she will return. I also have a few other thoughts about some other stuff that was maybe mentioned earlier in the thread. The most relevant being the fact that Mike was willing to wage a Punisher style war against Hector over a driver being killed and yet seemed at most very mildly pissed off at Todd killing the child. Again and again, Mike is moral to almost a fault. We know his justification is his Grandkid and daughter in law. (highlighted by them watching TV before he backflips on his decision to help Gus) How does Mike fall so far? Maybe in that scene where he beats Walt for suggesting they off Gus, he does it because he sees himself in Walt? As for Saul Goodman becoming this morally corrupted character who thinks that people "should vacation in Belize." It's pretty much been the object of the show to show the similarities between Jimmy and Walt to Saul/Heisenberg. I think the reality is actually kinda reversed. Heisenberg is who Walt allows himself to be. We always see the change as like an Incredible Hulk thing where Walt can just say "gently caress it" and go for it. His motivations for 'letting go' change as time goes on. From the cancer, to losing his life to losing his family. But we always get the sense that Heisenberg is who Walt wants to be. Even at the end. I get the sense that Jimmy has to stop himself being Saul. He is a good guy at heart who is unfortunately at his best when he is conning, scamming and manipulating. It's like an art form. Constantly, again and again we see that he can't really get ahead unless he bends the rules or gets Mike to take pictures or Huell to use his ex-C.I.A./Delta skills. I think the core of what holds Jimmy together is a mixture of Kim and Chuck. They are ironically what holds him up. The same was that Jessie was the one that held Walt together even though they spend a huge amount of the show at odds with each other.. I think they both fill that role in different ways. Saul is Jimmy at his best. For better or worse. I also can't help but feel that when I see Jimmy charming the old people that the "Happy ending massage" and "Holiday in Belize" Jimmy who interacts with the criminals are both part of that same act. The black and white hellscape sections are interesting because he is still playing a character of "Gene" the symbolically castrated manager. Except for that few seconds where he breaks down and becomes Jimmy/Saul. Holy poo poo that was a long post and I could have gone on. Great show, great thread.
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UZR IS BULLSHIT posted:And it won't be. After BB ended, Saul's office space got ripped out and turned into a lovely bar. I forgot how many locations on this show are actual ABQ spaces and not studio-designed. Didn't the people living in "Walt's" house have to give a PSA about please not throwing pizza on their roof? It won't happen but it would be amazing to see Mrs. Kettleman back in some other criminal enterprise. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 15:28 on May 11, 2017 |
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May 11, 2017 15:26
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Lonos Oboe posted:The most relevant being the fact that Mike was willing to wage a Punisher style war against Hector over a driver being killed and yet seemed at most very mildly pissed off at Todd killing the child. I think he felt indirectly responsible for that driver's death. His morals have definitely deteriorated between now and BB, but that case was too personal for him to ignore.
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May 11, 2017 15:32
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I forgot how many locations on this show are actual ABQ spaces and not studio-designed. Didn't the people living in "Walt's" house have to give a PSA about please not throwing pizza on their roof? That book is sad as poo poo btw, though there's cool stuff in there, particularly once he starts talking about actually filming Breaking Bad and the different fights he was having with people on set.
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May 11, 2017 15:49
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Lonos Oboe posted:Except for that few seconds where he breaks down and becomes Jimmy/Saul. It's a compulsion, drawing him away from safety and his best interests. Raxivace posted:That book is sad as poo poo btw, though there's cool stuff in there, particularly once he starts talking about actually filming Breaking Bad and the different fights he was having with people on set. Oof, what kind of fights?
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May 11, 2017 15:56
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Are there any worthwhile Fan podcasts? I used to like The Ones Who Knock (I listen to a bunch of Dave Chen/Joanna Robinson pods) but they aren't doing this season.
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May 11, 2017 16:01
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They were mostly about creative differences. The biggest example to me is Mike's death scene. Cranston absolutely hated the line where Walt said he realized he could have just gotten the list of names from Lydia and thought he should have just looked at Mike with a horrified look or something. The guy who wrote and directed the episode was like "Uh no, say the line", and they spent their limited time to film that scene fighting about it to the point it started to piss off Jonathan Banks, whose final scene it was in the series. They eventually compromised on the delivery of the line that Cranston ultimately gives, but he still says that the line doesn't work as is and spends like a paragraph about how his wife didn't buy the line either.
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May 11, 2017 16:06
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May 11, 2017 16:26
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Cojawfee posted:If Chuck is paid out, the firm will probably be ruined. Hamlin can say "a) Retire quietly, surrender your license and we will buy you out over time or b) We will call for a competency hearing, and use your testimony as evidence. You will have your license taken away and per the partnership agreement you signed will get nothing." They also probably have key person insurance covering the company in case of death or incapacity. This of course assumes the board doesn't call for a competency hearing on their own authority.
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May 11, 2017 16:26
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Raxivace posted:They were mostly about creative differences. The biggest example to me is Mike's death scene. Cranston absolutely hated the line where Walt said he realized he could have just gotten the list of names from Lydia and thought he should have just looked at Mike with a horrified look or something. The guy who wrote and directed the episode was like "Uh no, say the line", and they spent their limited time to film that scene fighting about it to the point it started to piss off Jonathan Banks, whose final scene it was in the series. They eventually compromised on the delivery of the line that Cranston ultimately gives, but he still says that the line doesn't work as is and spends like a paragraph about how his wife didn't buy the line either. Walt being horrified at killing Mike makes no sense. They were never close or even had a mural respect, and they'd just spent the last few episodes fighting over literally every decision in the business. At that point Walt was also well beyond remorse, so it makes total sense for him to immediately think of the business mistake first (not going to Lydia first) instead of the personal mistake (probably shouldn't have killed a man).
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Walt being horrified at killing Mike makes no sense. They were never close or even had a mural respect, and they'd just spent the last few episodes fighting over literally every decision in the business. At that point Walt was also well beyond remorse, so it makes total sense for him to immediately think of the business mistake first (not going to Lydia first) instead of the personal mistake (probably shouldn't have killed a man). That's a complete and total misreading of the scene. Walt is horrified at killing Mike because he realizes he did it for absolutely no reason or benefit. It's the first time he's really forced to contend with the fact that his own pride pushes him to do stupid, irrational, evil things. For the umpteenth time, Walt is a multidimensional character, not a one-dimensional hatewatch target. I can't believe anyone could watch that moment play out and think it was just meant as further confirmation of Walt's single-minded focus on business concerns. I disagree with Cranston's opinion on whether the line was necessary, but he absolutely understands Walt's character better than you in this instance.
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Rexides posted:I think he felt indirectly responsible for that driver's death. His morals have definitely deteriorated between now and BB, but that case was too personal for him to ignore. He should have felt the same way over the kid's death at the hands of Todd. He basically was in the same position Hector was in. It's a pretty direct comparison. It's interesting because Mike is often outwardly hard to read. We know now that he at least once had a lot of moral compunctions. One of the things I always liked about Mike (and I imagine a lot of people feel the same) is his methodical way of doing things coupled with his imagination and his set of personal rules. We can see that the Mike of Saul is at surface the same Mike of BB. But underneath there are huge changes. S1 Saul's Mike would probably never consider touching the drug trade. But here he is on the slippery slope. Something I wondered about on my BB rewatch before getting into Saul is that I feel like we have learned is that when Mike is hanging with Jessie, you get the sense he kinda likes him or sees something in him. You might feel that it's all an act for Gus at the start and then later dealing with Walt that made him work with Jessie. I get the feeling now that Mike (And Gus to an extent) at the very least admires Jessie's morality and Eddie Dean style junkie guts. After the 2nd pool party, I think they would toss him away in a second if they needed to. But they do like Jessie and understand what Walt sees in him.
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May 11, 2017 16:54
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Lonos Oboe posted:Just to give my quick analysis of the Gus pipeline/ timeline and how I imagine it worked. I was going to say that your Gale stuff didn't match up, but I was forgetting that Gus was already making and selling non-blue meth way before he met Walter, and it was likely Gale who was cooking most of that time. For whatever reason, I took the flashback scene in 401 as the first time Gale was working with Gus, but no; it was just the first time with the new equipment. That scene is obviously somewhere at the last half of season 2, as Gus mentions Walt as a new player in the industry/local market.
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May 11, 2017 17:27
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Gus' partner, Max Arcinega, was the original cook -- of both Los Pollos Hermanos chicken and of the meth they were selling from their first store in Mexico. It's apparent that Max was the one with a degree in chemistry; Gus states that he's just the businessman. After Max is killed and Gus moves to Albuquerque, Gus founds a chemistry scholarship in his name at UNM. Gale is one of the recipients of that scholarship -- which Gus, being meticulously engaged in the long game, undoubtedly endowed specifically to find promising chemists without many other connections in the community who he might be able to recruit into his business. Gus cam from Chile to Mexico in 1986, moved to America in 1989, and by 2002 is a successful businessman in the southwest. What I'm still not clear on is when, exactly, he met Gale. It seems that in Better Call Saul he's still importing meth from Mexico? He talks with Hector about how "my trucks are already full." Maybe he only starts manufacturing it himself when he builds the superlab. Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 17:44 on May 11, 2017 |
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May 11, 2017 17:40
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One thing I don't get, though, is what was Gale's cover story? How was he explaining how he paid for his apartment and everything? Did he have another job? Everyone else, aside from Jesse, has a cover story. Walt won money at the casino. Mike is security for Los Pollos Hermanos (as I'm sure Victor and Tyrus were, too), and Gus obviously operates the restaurant.
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May 11, 2017 17:44
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He might nominally have had a job at the laundromat, I guess? Hiding in plain sight seems to be Gus' modus operandi.
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May 11, 2017 17:46
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Gale could've been paid through the multi-national Lydia was in with?
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May 11, 2017 17:46
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Gale could have easily been a QC scientist for Los Pollos Hermanos.
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May 11, 2017 17:49
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I'm trying to remember back to the episodes leading up the Hank discovering Fring's involvement (which starts when Jesse shoots Gale, and Hank finds the Pollos Hermanos napkin at his apartment and finds it incongruous because Gale is a vegan), and it's weird but I don't think Gale's "real"/cover job ever comes up.BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Gale could have easily been a QC scientist for Los Pollos Hermanos. If that were the case, Hank wouldn't have thought the napkin was weird. Though the vegan thing would maybe have been even stranger.
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May 11, 2017 17:50
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Am I the only one that would tune in without hesitation to a "Don't Fuss with Gus" pre-prequel? These characters and the amazing way the showrunners can frame just about the most mundane poo poo possible in an interesting way are almost as addictive as meth. I'd trust the crew to show me a full forty minutes of pure Pollos workday and make it fun. I'd watch a Kim sequel or a Todd prequel or a Hector prequel or just about loving anyone, but especially Gus.
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May 11, 2017 18:03
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Am I the only one that would tune in without hesitation to a "Don't Fuss with Gus" pre-prequel? Not at all but "the Fring Dynasty" would be a better name.
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May 11, 2017 18:10
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If they do a third show in this setting, they're gonna need to start coming forward in time, not jump backward again.
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May 11, 2017 18:15
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I think I'd watch a sequel about any character they might consider worthy of a sequel. But I'd really like to see a Francesca show. Maybe a more short-term thing, just a couple of seasons, following her as she bounces around from job to job, not sure whether the fallout from this Walter White thing is going to blow in her direction or not. And then she finally settles in as the manager of a Cracker Barrel in Omaha.
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May 11, 2017 18:17
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May 11, 2017 18:20
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vermin posted:Breaking Badger This is what we need
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May 11, 2017 18:33
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Sagebrush posted:and Hank finds the Pollos Hermanos napkin at his apartment and finds it incongruous because Gale is a vegan It sucked that last week there was a vegan option in the menu above the cashiers. Way to disrespect Hank.
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May 11, 2017 18:45
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Sagebrush posted:I'm trying to remember back to the episodes leading up the Hank discovering Fring's involvement (which starts when Jesse shoots Gale, and Hank finds the Pollos Hermanos napkin at his apartment and finds it incongruous because Gale is a vegan), and it's weird but I don't think Gale's "real"/cover job ever comes up. Eh, you'd be surprised, plenty of people who work in food processing never touch the food they work with. Because they know exactly what goes into them and what goes on in the processing plants.
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May 11, 2017 19:20
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I don't think you could do a Gus show, the character wouldn't really work as a lead without major changes.
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May 11, 2017 19:22
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Work Friend Keven posted:I don't think you could do a Gus show, the character wouldn't really work as a lead without major changes. What about if he's walking around with half his face melted off
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May 11, 2017 19:29
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Help Im Alive posted:What about if he's walking around with half his face melted off Then he's a Dick Tracy villain.
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May 11, 2017 19:50
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They should do a show set in a parallel universe where Gus is still alive. 
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May 11, 2017 20:05
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Work Friend Keven posted:I don't think you could do a Gus show, the character wouldn't really work as a lead without major changes. The mystery of his background is a huge part of why he's so fun to watch, but given how they took Saul Goodman the shithole ambulance chaser and turned him into Jimmy McGill, I trust it could be good. Incidentally, what makes this show great instead of good is that Chuck is absolutely correct about Jimmy. He stole from the till at their dad's store, he staged the billboard incident, he doctored the papers. Chuck is an rear end in a top hat but he knows his brother. IA (trying to be) AL and I'm also the young, hard-drinking fuckup son of a rich family. gently caress if Jimmy doesn't appeal to me.
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I would totally watch a story about Badger's adventures in the sci-fi writing game. Culminating in him getting a gig on The Expanse. Maybe he shows up in some behind the scenes video in hipster glasses and a check shirt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd5j0AMpsuU I certainly don't think Gale is in the picture just yet and Gus is getting by purely on better business and screwing over Hector. I can't imagine Gale working in a lab in Mexico.. Maybe he comes in with Lydia. It's a funny thought that Gus picked him up at the Pollos Hermanos QC lab. It's important to remember 2 things about Gale. 1. He has no history or interest in either crime or drugs. 2. He is a self confessed libertarian. It's hard (and fun) to imagine where Gus ran into him. My initial guess is either a cooking class or on a Star Citizen forum. Either way, I do hope he comes back into it. He was a great character and the fact that he was basically proto-Walt if Walt was not compulsively competitive will make an interesting dynamic considering that Gus pretty much planned to murder Walt from day 1 after their business was done.. Did Mike know Lydia personally when he went to whack her at her home? I can't really remember at the moment. I know there was the Asian dude involved, was he a middle man? I mean, all these characters have to come into it before the end.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Incidentally, what makes this show great instead of good is that Chuck is absolutely correct about Jimmy. He stole from the till at their dad's store, he staged the billboard incident, he doctored the papers. Chuck is an rear end in a top hat but he knows his brother. True, but an important point to remember is that the Dad was a total push over and regularly gave money away. Maybe Jimmy stole from the till, but the business would still have gone under. It's one of the reasons the show is so great. Chuck is a total poo poo by blaming the Dad's failure on Jimmy, but at the same time Jimmy was also a poo poo. But if we remember the fact Jimmy was heart-broken when his Dad died, it's hard to imagine Jimmy would have wanted to ever hurt his Dad. But at the same time he DID steal from the till. As for the doctoring incident. It's worth remembering that if Chuck said, "Aw poo poo, I must have made a mistake. I can't understand how it happened. But we'll fix it" He more than likely would not have lost the account. Only by his over reacting and arrogance, did Jimmy manage to screw him both times. It's amazing that the show can have you feel so conflicted about characters. Chuck is right about Jimmy, but he is also a judgmental poo poo, but he is still loving RIGHT. I think Chuck will start losing his credibility. Howard will shut him out. Not just because the electrical thing makes him unstable, but more because he was unreliable in the court room. Which is why Howard tolerated him in the first place. I imagine there will be a scene at HHM. Where Chuck shows up and no one will turn off the lights or phones or do any of the things people do because he is important. The way the court and everyone cow-towed to Chuck's "illness" is a great way to show how important he is. It's like celebrity.
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Lonos Oboe posted:Did Mike know Lydia personally when he went to whack her at her home? I can't really remember at the moment. I know there was the Asian dude involved, was he a middle man? I mean, all these characters have to come into it before the end.
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Capntastic posted:A fun thing to think about is that if Chuck were a millionaire. Have you ever seen the The Aviator? He'd have gone full Howard Hughes.
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