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May 11, 2017 06:27
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FogHelmut posted:Russian botnet runs a DDOS on AIDA. These Pornhub video titles are getting weirder and weirder.
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May 11, 2017 07:14
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Chokes McGee posted:Yeah, I read a thing a while back that said GR was done on the show. I guess they were wrong. I'm glad he's coming back but I really want the next episode to show Talbot and crew running back into the room and encountering him in person as they just heard the machine kick on.
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May 11, 2017 07:18
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Chokes McGee posted:Yeah, I read a thing a while back that said GR was done on the show. I guess they were wrong. I'm glad he's coming back but I really want the next episode to show Talbot and crew running back into the room and encountering him in person as they just heard the machine kick on. I dunno why it double-posted.
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May 11, 2017 07:57
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What if Ghost Rider is there to take the Darkhold to his master? 
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May 11, 2017 09:42
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FogHelmut posted:Russian botnet runs a DDOS on AIDA. Since they are all under Disney, Aida's punishment is to live in a world of Elsa and Spidey, forever.
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May 11, 2017 09:56
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Ophelia flipping the switch was one of the scariest things I've seen on TV. Kind of wish we got a lot more of Fitz trying to placate God.
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May 11, 2017 10:31
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Holy poo poo that was an incredible episode. The whole thing with Aida/Ophelia learning to deal with her emotions and fear and everything was just brilliant - everyone saying how good Mallory Jenson has been this season are absolutely correct, she's been outstanding. The moment in the cell where she freaks out was just so, so good. Robbie returning at the end was great. I apparently completely missed the MODOK line by the Russian earlier in the episode. When Yo-Yo woke up in the Framework, where was she exactly? It looks like she was duct-taped to an office chair in the ruins of something.  I suppose being inhuman maybe she had been killed in the Framework, like Simmons had?I really can't wait for next week.
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May 11, 2017 10:39
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irlZaphod posted:When Yo-Yo woke up in the Framework, where was she exactly? It looks like she was duct-taped to an office chair in the ruins of something. Strapped into some sort of medical examination chair. If I had to guess, she's being held in a HYDRA facility that's currently under siege by the SHIELD resistance or possibly just pissed off citizens.
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May 11, 2017 10:45
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bio347 posted:Aida's regeneration could be from that explodey guy they put in the pokeball, maybe. I'm surprised that she was able to get shot, though, I'd have figured melty-dude's anti-bullet power would've been there for sure. Lincoln WAS in the simulation and WAS being experimented on, so not hard to guess.
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May 11, 2017 11:04
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I like how Ophelia's only been alive for under a day and she's already the complete stereotype of a scorned ex-girlfriend.  spaceships posted:dude who plays fitz still carries the entire emotional weight of the cast's experiences one scene at a time
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May 11, 2017 11:51
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sticklefifer posted:Goddamn if that scene where Gemma enters the pod and comforts him didn't make me tear up. Both of them are so good at emotional acting without saying a word.
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May 11, 2017 11:57
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They should just promote the show as the trials and tribulations of an adorable pair of star-crossed British nerds who are doomed to never be happy together. Oh and some spy stuff too.
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May 11, 2017 11:57
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I really never thought this was where they'd go with those two, seriously. The fact that the first person to address the relationship was Ward, after the audience knew he was bad, made me think Fitz wasn't really in love with her and Ward was trying to create some internal drama by confusing Fitz. The feelings being real turned out to be much more rewarding, though! Until Mallory Jansen arrived, they were hands down the MVPs of the show; basically this show is amazing every time any character goes through an emotional wringer.
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May 11, 2017 12:49
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sticklefifer posted:Goddamn if that scene where Gemma enters the pod and comforts him didn't make me tear up. Both of them are so good at emotional acting without saying a word. I loved that scene. Way too many shows (looking at you, CW) would thrown in unnecessary dialogue but the writers had the sense to know that a scene of silent crying would be so much more impactful. It's really weird having my strongest emotional reactions to TV lately come from a superpower spy show.
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May 11, 2017 13:03
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This show got me good because I was thinking we were back in Tahiti brainwashing territory where the cast wouldn't really remember what they did in the framework. Instead, they feel like they lived two lives and it's really getting to them.
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May 11, 2017 17:51
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Well, at least Aida has the one vulnerability that all speedster/teleporting people have: no awareness to their surroundings. Just gotta Icer her again and deal with her later. MODOK might be more of a problem depending on where he hid his head and how many copies he made of himself.
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May 11, 2017 17:56
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ApeHawk posted:Well, at least Aida has the one vulnerability that all speedster/teleporting people have: no awareness to their surroundings. She will also learn to feel incredible Guilt when Robbie uses the Penance State on her.  Or drags her to Hel. The one Hela is from. It's Marvel Canon. Who even knows. Anyway, I read thing thing that said "that's it for Robbie this season, wink, wink," too.
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May 11, 2017 18:33
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The scene where Aida smashes The Russian's head only for The Russian to watch her amusingly from the door had me in loving stitches. I don't know why. The sheer absurdity of it was great.
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May 11, 2017 18:34
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I'm pretty surprised how little of a sendoff they gave Ward this time. Was definitely expecting him to get a body printed! I guess we'll see him next episode now that Jo Jo is back in the NotMatrix
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May 11, 2017 21:08
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I'll be shocked if the very final scene of the season isn't Ward popping out of the printer
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May 11, 2017 21:19
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sticklefifer posted:Goddamn if that scene where Gemma enters the pod and comforts him didn't make me tear up. Both of them are so good at emotional acting without saying a word. And then in her final scene with Fitz they were both perfect.
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May 11, 2017 21:21
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bring back old gbs posted:I'll be shocked if the very final scene of the season isn't Ward popping out of the printer further refining: Ward pops out of the printer in a
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May 11, 2017 21:24
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bring back old gbs posted:further refining: ...with the trauma turning him evil halfway through Season 5
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May 11, 2017 21:32
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There's a printing error because they didn't spend $8000 a cartridge on official HP bio-ink, so Hope's mind gets printed in Ward's body.
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May 11, 2017 21:33
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It's kind of sad that this show makes great characters who aren't true villians, because they are probably going to be killed off. So, RIP Aida/Ophelia and Radcliffe.
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May 11, 2017 21:47
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So like...the way that Aida behaved in this episode kinda soundly refutes the notion that the Framework denizens -- or even other LMDs like the robot May -- are "real" people, right? They emulate emotions and understand emotions on an intellectual level. But if you put them in a flesh-and-blood body with actual biological processes and nerves and neurons and hormones and chemicals, they're going to be completely overwhelmed to the point of insanity. Whatever computer brain Aida had before is not like our brains.
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May 11, 2017 21:53
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BrianWilly posted:So like...the way that Aida behaved in this episode kinda soundly refutes the notion that the Framework denizens -- or even other LMDs like the robot May -- are "real" people, right? They emulate emotions and understand emotions on an intellectual level. But if you put them in a flesh-and-blood body with actual biological processes and nerves and neurons and hormones and chemicals, they're going to be completely overwhelmed to the point of insanity. Whatever computer brain Aida had before is not like our brains. I don't think being able to feel emotions is necessarily mandatory for personhood. I mean, Aida had to have felt something in order to have the drive to make an organic body for herself. Besides, we only know for sure that Aida was unable to feel emotions, not the other AI.
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May 11, 2017 22:03
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Except AIDA's programming /= the Framework's programming. She was just a visitor in that world, jacked in and having her computerized brain running in the environment same as Coulson and the others', and the people in there are different in form and function to her.
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May 11, 2017 22:05
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BrianWilly posted:So like...the way that Aida behaved in this episode kinda soundly refutes the notion that the Framework denizens -- or even other LMDs like the robot May -- are "real" people, right? They emulate emotions and understand emotions on an intellectual level. But if you put them in a flesh-and-blood body with actual biological processes and nerves and neurons and hormones and chemicals, they're going to be completely overwhelmed to the point of insanity. Whatever computer brain Aida had before is not like our brains. Not sure that's implied. The Framework is based on our reality and is a recreation of it down to the smallest details as the characters point out, to the point of being unbelievable that it was achieved at all. So it stands to reason that the humans in there are simulations of real people based on their actual brain structures. A complete simulation of our world like that is far beyond our current capability but it's not theoretically impossible within our own universe (even a very fast one). A complete simulation that allows you to take in consideration the actual conditions of the real world is a bit more fantastic and would require knowledge of the original state or seed of the universe, the "universal wavefunction". Since the Darkhold teaches you secrets of this universe and beyond, that's a good fantasy excuse to being able to do it. Aida didn't manually run every atom in the world, not even google street view guys suffer that much. She probably just simulated everything from the seed. This would mean that the people in the simulation have simulated brains similar to those of a real person. Which makes sense, because they don't act like Aida, they act like real humans, and Aida goes very uncanny valley at times, having to be explained by fitz and radcliffe about human feelings constantly. Even the ones they scanned to put in like Radcliffe are pretty much real human brain scans. Aida is not like the other simulations, she is an AI developed by a human, and has an intelligence that looks like ours but it's not. She is closer to the Chinese Room Experiment, but not entirely so - she's intelligent enough to understand her emotions aren't real, and she wants to feel them. Now whether the people being simulated, even after all that, actually have feelings and emotions, is up to the writers since this is a pretty deep philosophical debate. Radcliffe in-universe believed so, and that's why Aida killed him in the first place. Jemma seems reluctant about it and calls them just simulations. So just like in the real world where people don't know if these entities would have qualia or not, the scientists in AoS also have polarized views. A good example of this debate is the China brain. Elentor fucked around with this message at 22:22 on May 11, 2017 |
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May 11, 2017 22:09
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BrianWilly posted:So like...the way that Aida behaved in this episode kinda soundly refutes the notion that the Framework denizens -- or even other LMDs like the robot May -- are "real" people, right? They emulate emotions and understand emotions on an intellectual level. But if you put them in a flesh-and-blood body with actual biological processes and nerves and neurons and hormones and chemicals, they're going to be completely overwhelmed to the point of insanity. Whatever computer brain Aida had before is not like our brains. According to what she told Fitz, she the whole framework was a lie Radcliffe created and she was forced to play her role. That sounds like it is less real than it seems. She genuinely seems to believe that her life up to that point was slavery and a suppressed free will. I really wonder how she thinks about Radcliffe nowadays. She mostly killed him to solve her internal paradox. But does she resent him so much that she'd kill him again, if she had the choice? Aida is a really complicated character. And Mallory Jansen plays all those conflicting facets really incredibly well. What different roles where there anyway? -A regular human -An obedient robot without much thought -A robot which was programmed to fake consciousness -A robot which actually starts to develop a consciousness, for real this time, but is blocked by conflicting prime directives -An artificial intelligence in an artificial world who decides to play a fascist leader to gain freedom in the real wold -A person who's able to feel real humanity for the first time -A goddess of death out for revenge for her broken heart Every one of those characteristics was written and acted really well. I'm gonna miss her.
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May 11, 2017 22:27
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But thing is that Aida herself acted perfectly non-robotic in the Framework. You say that the people in the Framework didn't act like robo-Aida out in the real world...well, neither did she. "Ophelia" interacted with at least two non-Framework people (Fitz and May) on an ongoing basis as a fully-realized, fully-autonomous person and no one thought she was any different from any other denizen of their reality. Something about being in the Framework -- call it code or magic -- allowed Aida to replicate humanity on a degree she couldn't on the outside. And yet? When she stepped back out? All that code or magic...literal decades of memories of living a life there alongside Fitz that made her so layered and realistic in the Framework -- doesn't help prepare her one bit for having an actual un-coded mind and body. That says to me that just because someone is programmed with full, person-like autonomy and emotional complexity in the Framework, it still doesn't mean that's the same as the full, person-like autonomy and emotional complexity of the real world. If you took Framework-Hope and 3D-printed a body for her like Aida did for herself, would she react just like a normal girl stepping through a door from one place to another, or would she suddenly lose her poo poo at feeling actual feelings and smelling actual smells and making GBS threads actual poo poo? Heck...if you took robo-May -- who had seemed so profoundly human -- and placed her in a Darkhold-cloned body of the real May, is she going to behave as levelheaded and sensible as she did at the end, or is she gonna Hulk out and start snapping necks 'cuz having a real brain is just so overwhelming? cant cook creole bream posted:According to what she told Fitz, she the whole framework was a lie Radcliffe created and she was forced to play her role. That sounds like it is less real than it seems. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 22:33 on May 11, 2017 |
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May 11, 2017 22:30
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BrianWilly posted:Heck...if you took robo-May -- who had seemed so profoundly human -- and placed her in a Darkhold-cloned body of the real May, is she going to behave as levelheaded and sensible as she did at the end, or is she gonna Hulk out and start snapping necks 'cuz having a real brain is just so overwhelming?
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May 11, 2017 22:35
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Robot Hobo posted:How long would it take anyone to notice this time? For AIDA, the day she started hulking out and snapping necks was the most important day of her life. For Melinda May, it was Tuesday. 
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May 11, 2017 22:39
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BrianWilly posted:If Aida's multifaceted, human-like personality within the Framework was just another programmed role that she herself compared to slavery, what does that say about everyone else in there with multifaceted, human-like personalities? Why do we say those people are different from Aida? Because they're based on real people? So was she. Maybe she was simply instructed to act human and protect the integrity of the framework from within. I guess there is quite a leap from acting human and making it appear as if you feel the thinks you are supposed to being an actual human. (Even though that would mean that the Turing test is worthless.) If her objective was basically to play a role as realistically as possible, she was pretty much just an actress. Of course, she managed to derail everything a lot. Basically, it feels like she had her own computer brain, but was forced to play one of those hyper realistic npcs except for a few decisions she could make on her own. So in some sense, she was even less free than Daisy and Simmons, who had complete control over their avatars. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 22:47 on May 11, 2017 |
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May 11, 2017 22:43
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BrianWilly posted:So like...the way that Aida behaved in this episode kinda soundly refutes the notion that the Framework denizens -- or even other LMDs like the robot May -- are "real" people, right? They emulate emotions and understand emotions on an intellectual level. But if you put them in a flesh-and-blood body with actual biological processes and nerves and neurons and hormones and chemicals, they're going to be completely overwhelmed to the point of insanity. Whatever computer brain Aida had before is not like our brains. My guess is that Aida being a robot bent the rules for Framework interaction in more ways than one. She clearly didn't die when quaked out a window, and none of her "magically augmented" personality seemed to follow her back to the real world when she unplugged, making it appear that for Aida at least the Framework was a one way street akin to controlling a character. (I'm pretty sure that if Coulson hadn't cut off her head, we'd have seen a still very robotic Aida disconnecting from the Framework after flesh & blood Ophelia came out of the printer.)
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May 11, 2017 22:45
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I think the main issue here is that you're equating glands with sentience. They may have been living, thinking beings in the Framework, but it may have been slightly different than the real world human experience, and so they've never experienced stuff like adrenaline or endorphins before, and Aida was a little overwhelmed.
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May 11, 2017 22:45
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AIDA is an LMD. Her original purpose was to emulate and convincingly fool people that she was a real, "fully realized person". What AIDA showed herself as capable of in the Framework was basically her play acting, like she was designed to do from the start.
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May 11, 2017 22:46
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Aida was taught over the entire season on how to look and act more humane. The other entities in the Framework are brain scans or human-like neural networks. Even if you argue that they're not conscious, there's a difference between Aida and the rest of them. That's why Aida wanted a human body with a human brain and that's why Radcliffe believed being simulated is enough for the mind to thrive. Aida and the rest of the framework are not the same thing.
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May 11, 2017 22:49
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How long before these become avatars? Because they're damned good!
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