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If we screw up we're all going to be executed, aren't we? 
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Ralepozozaxe posted:
Indeed. I, Mullah Mountaineer, strongly support severing the alliance with the Celts. Let us seek alliances with our brothers in the faith instead.
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May 11, 2017 19:34
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 I propose a small expansion to our army for the purpose of defence. Gold is good, and we don't want the French or whoever stealing ours.
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May 11, 2017 19:51
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Is it too late for me to the join the New Taifas? If so, I strongly support the proposal of my colleague, Sir al-Cyrahzax.
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May 11, 2017 19:55
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Ralepozozaxe posted:
I support this notion. If we are to entangle ourselves in wars, let it be in the support the rightous
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May 11, 2017 19:55
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TravelLog posted:
It's fine, anyone can join at any time, you just can't change factions until the next Majlis Meeting.
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May 11, 2017 19:58
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:protect our financial interests from pirates and Christians. The pathetic Ulama faction should be tasked with explaining the difference between the two. Because they can't get anything else done...
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May 11, 2017 20:03
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:I, Ismail al-Cyrahzax, propose that we use the wealth that will surely be coming to us on a comprehensive program of military expansion and reform. We should build a barracks in the capital and in other population centers if possible, while also expanding the size of the standing army, recruiting better officers to lead it, and maintaining a minimum amount of wealth for hiring auxiliary forces in times of crisis. I support this proposal with emphasis on the buildings, a barracks in the capital and any provinces that would supply a similar amount of manpower will help us immensely.
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May 11, 2017 20:05
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TildeATH posted:Quiet you, with your superstitious ways!  I support this.
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May 11, 2017 20:33
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Ralepozozaxe posted:
As much as I dislike our current alliance with the Celts, they would be useful in opening a second front against the French should they try to invade us while our country is distracted with gold. Who are the rivals to the Kingdom of Italy? I am open to allying ourselves with other people of the book if it serves to protect the interests of Palermo.
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May 11, 2017 20:37
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Snipee posted:As much as I dislike our current alliance with the Celts, they would be useful in opening a second front against the French should they try to invade us while our country is distracted with gold. Besides, they are in a good position to get colonies for themselves, so they can (eventually) become a good business partner.
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May 11, 2017 20:41
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 I, Chatrapati of the Ulama, support Ralepozozaxe's proposal to support our brothers of the faith and end our alliance with the bloodthirsty Celts.
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May 11, 2017 20:45
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I, Lutfi al-Uthman, hereby declare a motion that we are to KEEP our alliance with the Celts. If we are to have the Rhine as our goal we can't let their lack of piety stand in the way of a masterful alliance.
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May 11, 2017 20:58
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Snipee posted:Who are the rivals to the Kingdom of Italy? I am open to allying ourselves with other people of the book if it serves to protect the interests of Palermo. Italy is rivalled to Bavaria, the Celtic Empire and Morocco. This is what the opinion mapmode looks like: 
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May 11, 2017 20:59
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Provence seems to like us a little. EDIT: What's that green country below the "I" in Italy? GenderSelectScreen fucked around with this message at 21:09 on May 11, 2017 |
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May 11, 2017 21:05
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And Aragon doesn't hate us...?
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May 11, 2017 21:06
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It's definitely possible to ally with Provence (even though they're allied with France), but Aragon is our rival.
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May 11, 2017 21:08
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:And Aragon doesn't hate us...? Enemy of enemy. We beat up Castille, they don't like us, but they appreciate us not fighting them.
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May 11, 2017 21:12
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WilliamAnderson posted:Enemy of enemy. We beat up Castille, they don't like us, but they appreciate us not fighting them. It looks like France is getting ready to swallow Aragon whole. As bad things are now, imagine having a land border in Iberia with France! And we're ignoring it to play patrician
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May 11, 2017 21:14
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Luhood posted:
After close consultation with my clients, I, Samwyiyl al-Samivyr, declare myself to be a silly-billy who can't read. Sorry! Samovar fucked around with this message at 22:13 on May 11, 2017 |
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May 11, 2017 21:15
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GunnerJ posted:
I, Mi-al-kl of the League of Merchants, support this proposal. Al-andalus rule the waves!
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May 11, 2017 21:18
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Samovar posted:
No inter-party voting. If you don't think the New Taifas will end up supporting that policy, then propose it yourself, for your faction to consider.
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May 11, 2017 21:20
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Samovar posted:After close consultation with my clients, I, Samwyiyl al-Samivyr, have been delegated to support the motion proposed by Lutfi al-Uthman, as an example of bipartisan policies as well as continuing to be a thorn in France's side and keep their attention North. Hashim posted:Okay, so I've changed the rules relating to policies a bit. Firstly, you can only vote for a policy that someone in your faction has proposed, so there's no inter-faction voting anymore, unless you want to get thrown in the oubliette. Don't get thrown to the oubliette, fellow merchant.
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May 11, 2017 21:20
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Hashim posted:Italy is rivalled to Bavaria, the Celtic Empire and Morocco. This is what the opinion mapmode looks like: Whoah, France is slipping over the Pyrenees. Going to join the Taifas. We need to start building up our manpower, discipline, and army tradition now. More money is going to be good, but we need to spend it on things that will let us grow and not get eaten by big blue.
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May 11, 2017 21:23
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I, Snipee of the Ulama, propose that we dedicate resources towards developing an alliance with Bavaria to weaken the Kingdom of Italy. Palermo must not fall. Who knows. Maybe the Bavarians could even be useful should the Merchants mismanage that inevitable war with the French.
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May 11, 2017 21:30
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Samovar posted:
The Oubliette Faction grows with each passing season!
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May 11, 2017 21:31
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Snipee posted:
You would have us align with unwashed Catholic infidels? Pah, taste my shoe! On that note, I advocate breaking our alliance with the barbarous Celts. Only fellows of Mohammedan faith are worthy of our comfort and support.
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May 11, 2017 21:42
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:
I, Ibn-bil Bibil, agree with this proposal. If we cannot raise arms at least we can prepare for when we must.
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May 11, 2017 21:44
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Luhood posted:
I stand with my brother in this, we need allies, and not just ones who we intend to betray and conquer like the Almorhavids.
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May 11, 2017 21:50
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Erwin the German posted:
Look around you, man! There are no other Muslim powers in Western Europe besides us and Palermo! I would be interested in an alliance with Tunis if we weren't already allied with their Moroccan enemies, but we have to be pragmatic and do what is best for our fellows of the Mohammedan faith in Italy. This is no time to voluntarily weaken ourselves. After all, we already bled ourselves assisting the damned Celts. I want to see if they are honorable enough to return the favor when the time comes. And trust me, that time is coming. Have you already forgotten about the ongoing crusade against Palermo? Our attention should be to our east, not our north. We can dispose of the Celtic alliance once we are in a stronger military position to safeguard Islam on our own. The French and Castillians are united in their desire to destroy us, and we certainly cannot defend Islam in Italy if we cannot even defend Islam in Iberia. Snipee fucked around with this message at 22:20 on May 11, 2017 |
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May 11, 2017 21:55
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Are the Celts people of the book or pagans?
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May 11, 2017 22:09
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Snipee posted:Look around you, man! There are no other Muslim powers in Western Europe besides us and Palermo! I would be interested in an alliance with Tunis if we weren't already allied with their Moroccan enemies, but we have to be pragmatic and do what is best for our fellows of the Mohammedan faith in Italy. This is no time to voluntarily weaken ourselves. After all, we already bled ourselves assisting the damned Celts. I want to see if they are honorable enough to return the favor when the time comes. And trust me, that time is coming. Have you already forgotten about the ongoing crusade against Palermo? Our attention should be to our west, not our north. We can dispose of the Celtic alliance once we are in a stronger military position to safeguard Islam on our own. The French and Castillians are united in their desire to destroy us, and we certainly cannot defend Islam in Italy if we cannot even defend Islam in Iberia. The West? What's to the West besides more territory that you admit we can't defend? Why should we ignore the North as they lick their chops for an invasion? The Celts could be a fine distraction, but without a better army and without removing the collaborator-kings in the North, our heartland is not safe! If we can build alliances in Europe to distract the French, fine, but Palermo signed her own death warrant when she betrayed the Sultanate. Really, we should try to occupy Sicily before the Italians get the chance, maybe the merchants' navy will be good for holding that at least.
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May 11, 2017 22:13
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Flavius Belisarius posted:Are the Celts people of the book or pagans? They're Catholic.
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May 11, 2017 22:16
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:The West? What's to the West besides more territory that you admit we can't defend? Why should we ignore the North as they lick their chops for an invasion? The Celts could be a fine distraction, but without a better army and without removing the collaborator-kings in the North, our heartland is not safe! Whoops, I meant "East". Fixing hilariously opposite-meaning typo now.
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May 11, 2017 22:20
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TildeATH posted:
As I have already said, our destiny lies across the ocean. As such I Ikasuhito of the Merchants support this measure.
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May 11, 2017 22:54
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Hashim posted:They're Catholic. Pagans then!
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Policy setup so far, let me know if I missed something.Lord Cyrahzax posted:I, Ismail al-Cyrahzax, propose that we use the wealth that will surely be coming to us on a comprehensive program of military expansion and reform. We should build a barracks in the capital and in other population centers if possible, while also expanding the size of the standing army, recruiting better officers to lead it, and maintaining a minimum amount of wealth for hiring auxiliary forces in times of crisis. Lord Cyrahzax, TravelLog, Tendronai, Ibblebibble. catlord posted:I propose a small expansion to our army for the purpose of defence. Gold is good, and we don't want the French or whoever stealing ours. catlord. Luhood posted:I, Lutfi al-Uthman, hereby declare a motion that we are to KEEP our alliance with the Celts. If we are to have the Rhine as our goal we can't let their lack of piety stand in the way of a masterful alliance. Luhood, Rodyle. Ralepozozaxe posted:I, Ralepozozaxe, The Dalai Ullama, propose that we break our alliance with them, and find a good Muslim ally to replace them. Ralepozozaxe, Mountaineer, Agean90, Erwin the German. Snipee posted:I, Snipee of the Ulama, propose that we dedicate resources towards developing an alliance with Bavaria to weaken the Kingdom of Italy. Palermo must not fall. Snipee. TildeATH posted:I propose we Explore and colonize these new islands Allah has delivered to us and continue to explore West of these islands to find a route to our Muslim brothers in China! TildeATH, Grizzwold, Samovar, Dick Trauma, GunnerJ, Talas, Yvonmukluk, RZApublican, Ikasuhito. Affi posted:The League of Merchants propose that we find the sea route to Mecca so that Affi. GunnerJ posted:Proposing the Naval Superiority Policy: Develop the size and power of our navy so that it exceeds that of our strongest plausible naval rival. Consider this auto-withdrawn if we're already the strongest naval power in the area. GunnerJ, Soup du Jour, ShootaBoy, Hitlers Gay Secret, Mikl. WilliamAnderson posted:Given this, I propose that we develop the production on our gold mine up to 10, with the other development increases split equally. WilliamAnderson, Frionnel. paragon1 posted:I, Hussein al-Paragonia of the Merchants, do hereby propose that we build all of the docks (all of them), and also construct a new mosque to see to the spiritual needs of the sailors. paragon1.
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May 11, 2017 23:13
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Fellow Taifas, the syncretic llama-man will destroy our anti-French alliance without your support!
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May 11, 2017 23:15
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Rodyle posted:Fellow Taifas, the syncretic llama-man will destroy our anti-French alliance without your support! just waot u til we hit vicky and i try to turn us in syncretic communist llama-men
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Switching from Taifas to Merchants. Support exploration or something.
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