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Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
You're just cherry-picking examples. All the coverage I've seen over the past months has been universally negative of PSUV.

And is that supposed to be some sort of weird slam against Op-eds? Do you understand how that sort of thing works?

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Pity Party Animal
Jul 23, 2006

Mozi posted:

You're just cherry-picking examples. All the coverage I've seen over the past months has been universally negative of PSUV.

And is that supposed to be some sort of weird slam against Op-eds? Do you understand how that sort of thing works?

Coverage can be both negative and lazy; lazy coverage isn't good journalism. I've found op-eds are usually ideological welfare sections with lower standards. It would have been nice if it was instead a guest reporter feature, you know without the "these are the opinions of the writer" caveat.

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

I would say it's finally started getting coverage. For example I heard about the "constitutional assembly" from my mainstream news aggregator before I read it in this thread (Reuters I think) and they weren't complimentary. Before that though, not really.

Chuck Boone
Feb 12, 2009

El Turpial
I'm working full time on keeping track of developments in Venezuela and there's so much going on that I'm not able to cover it all. Here are some of the bigger news from today:
  • University students met in their respective institutions throughout the country to discuss the ongoing crisis and come up with strategies to face the regime. In the Univerisdad Central de Venezuela, National Guard soldiers fired tear gas into the campus and prevented the students from marching out of their campus (one video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHFOzcgwWws):

    https://twitter.com/VoluntadPopular/status/860169228497940480

    At least one student was seriously wounded, likely from getting hit in the head by a tear gas canister. The video below shows him getting medical aid:

    https://twitter.com/NTN24ve/status/860187654108872706

  • A student leader was murdered during his university's meeting in El Tigre, Anzoategui state. A gunman walked up to him and shot him several times during the assembly. It's hard to say if this is related to the protests, because local media reports that the same student had been the victim of an attack in his home in December. The student's name is Juan Lopez. I'm not counting him in my own records as a protest-related death based on what I've read so far, for whatever that's worth.

  • Valencia and Carabobo state in general have seen very severe looting and general collapse of social order over the last 48 hours or so. The Valencia Chamber of Commerce has asked governor Ameliach to declare a state of emergency as a result of the chaos. It's unclear whether Ameliach will react because he's one of the more callous PSUV governors. Some pictures and videos from Valencia:

    Stores (and a McDonald's) emptied of their contents overnight:

    https://twitter.com/freddyzur/status/860065941966786560

    Looters breaking into a bakery early this morning:

    https://twitter.com/EnkiVzla/status/860033123618369537

    A supermarket getting looted at around the same time this morning:

    https://twitter.com/MaloofArturo/status/859994234576916480

    And another in the La Isabelica neighbourhood, late last night:

    https://twitter.com/AndrewsAbreu/status/859985536945192960

    This video was likely recorded today. It was recorded in Carabobo state, and shows police (likely Carabobo state police) looting what looks like an air conditioner warehouse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB2uTpUFv-g

  • Confrontations between protesters and authorities also took place in Carabobo state throughout the day. We'll have to see if the looting in Valencia and elsewhere continues tonight.

    I'm not sure where exactly in Carabobo the video below was taken. It shows protesters and National Guard squaring off on a road. At the end of the video, you can see a protester laying motionless on the ground. As of me writing this, I have not heard of any fatalities in Carabobo this afternoon:

    https://twitter.com/BastidasRon/status/860260294559358976

    Protesters near San Diego taking an injured protester to get medical care:

    https://twitter.com/hombreradikal/status/860269902644617216

  • People's Defender Tarek William Saab is on vacatio--err, I mean, totally important and official state business in Lebanon this week. He was giving a speech today at some event and two protesters interrupted. One held a Venezuelan flag upside down in a sign of distress, and the other yelled, "They're killing us! Where are the human rights of Venezuelans?":

    https://twitter.com/SIGUEMEPRIMERO/status/860229538986561537

    Believe it or not, Saab is in Lebanon helping the country to set up its National Institute for the Defense of Human Rights, apparently.


Fados
Jan 7, 2013
I like Malcolm X, I can't be racist!

Put this racist dipshit on ignore immediately!
Meanwhile the good dudes at telesur just released this aptly named Maduro propaganda documentary called : "Indestructible Loyalty"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrLvKkk14AA

:allears:

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Pity Party Animal posted:

That's labelled as an opinion piece. Excellent reporting NYT.
Meanwhile, the associated press blames oil prices with no mention of corruption or economic mismanagement. American joe blows not caring is one thing, but I'd say a newspaper not caring is a journalistic failure. I know most foreign journalists have been expelled, but that doesn't excuse the truthiness in the middle reporting from safe, western newsrooms.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/05/02/world/americas/ap-lt-venezuela-political-crisis-news-guide.html

A good share* of articles on NYTimes about Venezuela in the past year and a half have been by Nicolas Casey, or in collaboration with Nicolas Casey: https://www.nytimes.com/by/nicholas-casey

He absolutely is super critical of the regime while still being objective and not flying into Breitbart style reporting, which is the cherry picking you've been showing. He is incredibly not lazy, going far outside Caracas for his reporting, going to hospitals and regions that literally no other English-language journalist is doing, like to the pirates on the Caribbean coast, or to hospitals with abandoned, chained mental patients starving to death inside. He's probably the journalist I have the most respect for, as he seems to be doing it out of a genuine desire to report an untold story, and not for adrenaline fix like the Iraq war tourists/journalists.

Edit: Source*: https://query.nytimes.com/search/si...ezuela/365days/

you'd have to do some serious cherry picking to find one there that wasn't overtly critical of the PSUV, and even more cherry picking to find one painting them in a positive light.

Saladman fucked around with this message at 09:55 on May 5, 2017

ISeeCuckedPeople
Feb 7, 2017

by Smythe

Uncle Jam posted:

El Hefe you better not be dead.

He's probably in hiding. Considering the chavista defenders that used to stalk this thread he may have let something slip that let them identify and harass him. I have a suspicion several of them were connected to the regime.

He's likely not coming back. Too dangerous

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010
None of the Chavista supporters had anything to do with Venezuela whatsoever, or at least not who posted in the past two years. Also none of the Venezuelas in this thread, nor the people in his F1 thread, knew how to contact him on Facebook or even by email, so I guess he hasn't let much "slip".

Anyway he got probated here on Christmas for posting about Venezuelan poors being terrible people for ruining Venezuela, so most likely he got pissed and just found something else to do with his time. Hopefully.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Most of the regime defenders have slunk off shamefully.

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

Perfect
I exchanged emails with him way back but unfortunately I used some dumb hotmail or yahoo mail account so that's gone. He also sent me a voice file of him saying Jaime Alguersuari so if during the riots some guy starts saying Jaime Alguersuari we could potentially ID him.

Anyway if Caro can survive Syrian torture dungeons he's probably good, just maybe without data somewhere.

Celexi
Nov 25, 2006

Slava Ukraini!
I wonder how long until the EU and others suspend the visa free travel for venezuelans due to the exodus.

Polidoro
Jan 5, 2011


Huevo se dice argidia. Argidia!
Maybe El Hefe moved to Miami (where his father lives iirc) and just forgot his password.

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Uncle Jam posted:

Anyway if Caro can survive Syrian torture dungeons he's probably good, just maybe without data somewhere.

OT for this thread, but speaking of, if anyone casually keeps up with Caro news, he wrote the first part of his experience in Syria (from arriving in Turkey, up until getting captured) a few months ago.

https://steemit.com/syria/@kpatrickdawes/glasshouse-a-true-story-of-the-arab-spring-part-1
https://steemit.com/syria/@kpatrickdawes/glasshouse-a-true-story-of-the-arab-spring-part-2-jabberwocky

Unfortunately that back in August, about 4 months after we found out he was released from Syria. So, maybe there's no part 3 coming.

It is nice and full of crazy Caro. I don't think anyone could fake that narrative style even if they wanted to. He'd make a great avant-garde author for college English classes to study.

Maybe El Hefe can write about his Venezuela experience once he gets out of wherever he is.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
I bought Caro an account (after he got back) but he either hasn't been posting or is keeping a low profile :iiam:

Arkane
Dec 19, 2006

by R. Guyovich
This piece of poo poo bus driver is quickly rising the ranks of worst humans in history.

This WSJ article is uber depressing.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/venezuela-is-starving-1493995317 -- excerpt:

quote:

The most recent Caritas study of 800 children under the age of 5 in Yare and three other communities showed that in February nearly 11% suffered from severe acute malnutrition, which is potentially fatal, compared with 8.7% in October. Caritas said nearly a fifth of children under age 5 in those four communities suffered from chronic malnutrition, which stunts growth and could mark a generation.

“What’s serious is not that we’re at the crisis threshold, but rather the velocity at how we got there,” Ms. Raffalli said.

By World Health Organization standards, Caritas’s findings constitute a crisis that calls for the government to marshal extraordinary aid. But authorities have resisted offers of food and aid from abroad.

The country’s growing malnutrition is made worse by a breakdown in health care, the spread of mosquito-borne illness and what the Pharmaceutical Federation of Venezuela has called a severe shortage of medicines.

ISeeCuckedPeople
Feb 7, 2017

by Smythe
The protests in the street are quickly turning into something more than protests and riots.

We are very close to a civil uprising of some kind and all our violence between both sides.

Despite what naysayers say this is very possible.
You don't even need guns. Machetes, Molotov cocktails, improvised incendiary devices will suffice.

The government has done nothing to improve the situation in any way.

Gas is cheap, I can see them combining it with styrofoam and napalming military tanks.

People on Internet forums are already compiling guides on how to keep collectivos out of buildings. Focusing primarily on boiling water or oil.

Chuck Boone
Feb 12, 2009

El Turpial
There's a women's march planned for Caracas and other cities starting at 10:00 AM. I'm not sure where the march is headed in Caracas, but look for pictures and videos of the National Guard brutalizing mothers and grandmothers later today.

There were two protest-related deaths yesterday, and it looks like there's been one more this morning.

The first death was a man named Miguel Medina, who died in Zulia state. He was shot at a protest there on April 26 and succumbed to his injuries yesterday. The second death was Hecder Lugo from Carabobo state, the man lying on the road in one of the videos I posted yesterday. Hecder was shot in the head with a projectile (either a bullet or a ball bearing/marble). Here's a video of the moment protesters recovered him from the road (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9HFB7gzRzE). In the video, you can see protesters pleading with the National Guard soldiers to stop shooting so that they can go pick up Hecder. The third death that I'm just now hearing about is that of a two-month-old baby who died of respiratory failure in Valencia on Thursday. The mother took the baby to a local hospital with respiratory problems and when the baby died, the doctors attributed the death to tear gas.

The official death count is starting to diverge quite a bit depending on the media outlet, but right now it ranges from 37-41. Some media outlets count a few more deaths in El Valle on April 20 than others, which I think is where the major point of divergence is. The estimate of deaths from the 2014 is almost exactly that range: 38-43.

A statue of Chavez was torn down, smashed and burned in the city of Villa del Rosario in Zulia state. Here are two videos showing the event: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhxtfB0TE7k and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQmIRC1WEfU

In another bit of news, a pair of hackers known on Twitter as @YoSoyJustin and @HDPY0 appear to have hacked the website of the carnet de la patria (Fatherland I.D.), which is a piece of identification that gives people access to subsidized food and other regime "benefits". Justin was up most of the night releasing screenshots of what looks to be the website's entries for high-ranking PSUV individuals including Maduro's son, Diosdado Cabello, and Vladimir Padrino Lopez. The carnet de la patria website came down after Justin had been supposedly playing with it for maybe about an hour or so, and it's still down as of me typing this (8:30 AM EST). Justin also said that he'd be releasing more information on what he supposedly found in the hack this weekend, and that there were only 4.7 million people registered for the card and not the 12 million plus that the government claims.

Arkane posted:

This piece of poo poo bus driver is quickly rising the ranks of worst humans in history.

This WSJ article is uber depressing.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/venezuela-is-starving-1493995317 -- excerpt:

This is why Maduro defenders are a dying breed, in this thread and elsewhere.

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

The protests in the street are quickly turning into something more than protests and riots.

We are very close to a civil uprising of some kind and all our violence between both sides.

Despite what naysayers say this is very possible.
Calling people who say a civil war isn't likely to happen "naysayers" makes it seem like a civil war is good and/or desirable, and that we're a bunch of wet blankets for not wanting one to happen :negative:

I understand what you're trying to say, but I think we're working with different definitions of what is going on/what is likely to go on. We're already seeing a violent "civil uprising", but that is not a civil war. "All out violence between both sides", as in a civil war, is quite another thing. But your own description of what this conflict would look like (machetes and molotov cocktails vs. tanks and jet fighters) brings it right back to Labradoodle's point a while back: that it would be a massacre, not a civil war.

In an earlier post I pointed to Chile's transition from Pinochet as an example of a strongman military dictatorship moving towards democracy without a civil war. I don't know why I didn't think of this at the time, but we have an example of that in Venezuela as well. Marcos Perez Jimenez was an army general who was dictator from 1952 to 1958. He was firmly entrenched in power and had the full and unconditional support of the military until after about a month of protests Perez Jimenez left the country and Venezuela had democratic elections that December.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
Chunks of the army are apparently turning against the government.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
I saw this but I'm skeptical because the soldiers could very well have been escorting the marchers:

https://twitter.com/ThorHalvorssen/status/860706366931034112

Labradoodle
Nov 24, 2011

Crax daubentoni

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

I saw this but I'm skeptical because the soldiers could very well have been escorting the marchers:

https://twitter.com/ThorHalvorssen/status/860706366931034112

So, Capriles tweeted today about eighty or so military members being detained for opposing the government. However, it's important to keep in mind the military in Venezuela is about 200,00 strong according to Wikipedia, which makes this news irrelevant. It's also worth remembering the Venezuelan government engages in overt espionage of opposition figures. As in monitoring texts, emails, and so on even without warrants. They even broadcast this stuff on national television without a second thought. If anything, they probably keep more close tabs on the military than on the opposition, which is the logical thing to do in their place now, as the military is the only body that can take them down.

Chuck Boone
Feb 12, 2009

El Turpial
The Women's March went pretty well, considering the violence that we've seen at most demonstrations. The National Guard did stop the protesters from reaching the Ministry of the Interior, Justice and Peace in Caracas, but the protesters weren't hit with tear gas. Tear gas was used to disperse protesters in Maracay, but otherwise the rest of the marches went relatively well.


In Caracas, the National Guard blocked the demonstration with mobile walls (I don't know what their actualy name is--I mean the trucks that open up to form walls):

https://twitter.com/venezoIanos/status/860900993814417408

The women sat down and sang folk songs in front of the wall:

https://twitter.com/unidadvenezuela/status/860917389306802176

At one point, a demonstrator took off her pants and threw them at the soldiers. In Venezuela, "ponganse los pantalones" [put on your pants] is similar to the expression "man up" in English. The woman is telling the soldiers to do the right thing and take a stand against tyranny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJRBqHzD_do

The demonstrators in Maracay weren't so lucky as the ones in Caracas. They got tear gassed pretty quickly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMKq5k726-E

https://twitter.com/venezoIanos/status/860903089309720577

In Barquisimeto, Lara state, protesters ripped a picture of Hugo Chavez off a wall and stomped on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xc2a49nHBc

In other news, a two-month-old baby died of respiratory failure in a hospital in Valencia overnight on Thursday because the authorities had used tear gas around the hospital to disperse looters. The baby's death is the 41st protest-related fatality since the first death on April 6.

Maduro was on TV yesterday at a farm somewhere and he had a prolonged interaction with a bunch of cows. He talked directly to them, asked them questions and then asked them to join him in his Communal Constituent Assembly project. The video is here and my translation is below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk4IomJv99U

quote:

Maduro: [Starting at 0:10] Well, we have to multiply all of our achievements and think about the future. I’m calling on your right now for the [Communal Constituent Assembly]. I want the spokespeople, the producers and the leaders of the fields to become members of the [Communal Constituent Assembly]. Will you support me? Will you join me on the [Communal Constituent Assembly]? Or do you want guarimba [a derogatory word for “protest”]? Do you want violence? Do you want things to burn? Do you want death? Those of us who want peace and life, let’s go to the [Communal Constituent Assembly]!

Yes, an economic [Communal Constituent Assembly].

GlyphGryph posted:

Chunks of the army are apparently turning against the government.

Henrique Capriles announced yesterday that 85 army officers have been arrested for "voicing displeasure" at the ongoing repression. Minister of Defense Vladimir Padrino Lopez gave a bit of a weird statement on this today, saying that "this speculative figure doesn't exist. There's no such quantity of officers [arrested for] subversion". Of course he would say that if the story was true, but that was his official response.

There's probably discontent in the army, but for anything to happen we'll probably need more than a couple of really high-ranking officers to show up at Miraflores with a letter of resignation for Maduro. I suspect that if this scenario does play out, we won't really see it coming.

I wouldn't take this as a sign of anything yet. Officers have been arrested before for speaking out against the regime.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

I saw this but I'm skeptical because the soldiers could very well have been escorting the marchers:

https://twitter.com/ThorHalvorssen/status/860706366931034112

I wouldn't take that video at face value, and I think you're right.

Notice that the soldiers aren't carrying signs, chanting anti-regime slogans, or doing anything to suggest they're actually a part of the demonstration. They're all in full gear and they look like they're working (in fact, one of them tells the person driving by to move along). The person at the beginning of the video says "The soldiers are marching with us!", but it seems to me like they were as you say escorting the demonstrators along the road. If I were at the front of that group of people and I wanted to mess with the soldiers, I'd also yell "These guys are with us! They hate Maduro!" at anyone I saw.

However, the fact that the soldiers weren't shooting the demonstrators with tear gas is a nice step forward!

Labradoodle
Nov 24, 2011

Crax daubentoni
About the march, I actually have a first hand perspective from this one, from the side of the government's protest today. Their march literally consisted of half a block of women, I walked right by them as they passed my block to go get a haircut. Literally nobody gave a crap, they closed a few blocks for a couple of hours and that was it. Sorry for the lack of pictures, but as you can imagine, I'm not keen on getting my cellphone out in the middle of Caracas.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

So, uh, why is Maduro demanding cows join his constitutional assembly?

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

Night10194 posted:

So, uh, why is Maduro demanding cows join his constitutional assembly?

Because they're historically disenfrancheesed

fnox
May 19, 2013



Labradoodle posted:

About the march, I actually have a first hand perspective from this one, from the side of the government's protest today. Their march literally consisted of half a block of women, I walked right by them as they passed my block to go get a haircut. Literally nobody gave a crap, they closed a few blocks for a couple of hours and that was it. Sorry for the lack of pictures, but as you can imagine, I'm not keen on getting my cellphone out in the middle of Caracas.

Maduro is struggling really hard to get any numbers at their demonstrations, even employees under threat of being fired aren't showing up.

I think this is it. The momentum is there and the regime is losing supporters left and right, and the opposition, even if ideologically sparse, is unwilling to concede anything to the government. If they keep up the pressure, Maduro will have to leave. I've been trying to find out what I can do for help, people have been suggesting donating gas masks and medical supplies for protesters since those are the two most expensive items to find in Venezuela, but I haven't been able to find any trusted suppliers that can guarantee the items will make it to the right hands.

I've been linked to this Amazon wishlist, linked by the First Aid association of the UCV, which seems pretty legit. If you guys can get people to collaborate with just a couple items that would be great.

Labradoodle
Nov 24, 2011

Crax daubentoni

fnox posted:

Maduro is struggling really hard to get any numbers at their demonstrations, even employees under threat of being fired aren't showing up.

I think this is it. The momentum is there and the regime is losing supporters left and right, and the opposition, even if ideologically sparse, is unwilling to concede anything to the government. If they keep up the pressure, Maduro will have to leave. I've been trying to find out what I can do for help, people have been suggesting donating gas masks and medical supplies for protesters since those are the two most expensive items to find in Venezuela, but I haven't been able to find any trusted suppliers that can guarantee the items will make it to the right hands.

I've been linked to this Amazon wishlist, linked by the First Aid association of the UCV, which seems pretty legit. If you guys can get people to collaborate with just a couple items that would be great.

I can verify that Amazon list is legit, at least from the Reddit comments. Plus, nothing there screams of a scam although it'd be nice if someone who bought from there verified which address they're being sent to so I can corroborate if it's one of the companies that ships stuff to Venezuela.

Chuck Boone
Feb 12, 2009

El Turpial
The full shipping address is hidden, and this is the only thing that comes up: "Habitat Residence Condo Hotel, Miami FL".

Vlex
Aug 4, 2006
I'd rather be a climbing ape than a big titty angel.



Amazon deliveries to Venezuela are handled by a single, government-owned company in Miami, are they not? You order to there and they ship it on to you. At least that is how my colleagues in the IVIC explained it.

fnox
May 19, 2013



Vlex posted:

Amazon deliveries to Venezuela are handled by a single, government-owned company in Miami, are they not? You order to there and they ship it on to you. At least that is how my colleagues in the IVIC explained it.

Maybe for people working for the IVIC. Most people use private couriers, you basically deliver your order straight to their address, then they bring it into Venezuela and you collect it from them. From what I'm seeing from that address, it seems to be next to some docks which have a ton of courier offices, poo poo like FedEx or UPS. I'm also uncertain that they will reveal exactly who it is that is bringing them their shipments because the government would surely shut them down.

AstraSage
May 13, 2013

Vlex posted:

Amazon deliveries to Venezuela are handled by a single, government-owned company in Miami, are they not? You order to there and they ship it on to you. At least that is how my colleagues in the IVIC explained it.

Not exactly.

It's more that if someone in Venezuela want something sent to them from Amazon, they need to get through one of many shipping companies instead of the disaster we call Postal Service. And pretty much all of said companies had a Miami Middleman Address to take advantage of Florida's tax-less prices not straining the original Restrictions we had in Electronic Purchases through Local Credit Cards (until two years ago, where not even the ones from Government-owned banks can be used for any non-Venezuelan website at all) so any added cost like the shipping itself could be covered in Bolivares, a separate amount of Dollars or Amazon Giftcards depending of the company.


On a unrelated note, I'm mostly lurking in this thread because usually anything I could report about Valencia ends up covered better by Chuck's compiling.

AstraSage fucked around with this message at 02:42 on May 8, 2017

Chuck Boone
Feb 12, 2009

El Turpial
The big protest action of the day today was a musician's demonstration at the Plaza Francia in Altamira, Caracas. From the pictures and videos that I saw, the event seemed fairly light-hearted, specially in light of the violence that we've seen at other demonstrations.

https://twitter.com/CATERINAV/status/861228397334278144

https://twitter.com/MariaCorinaYA/status/861256419953307648

https://twitter.com/CATERINAV/status/861242592784207872

The pictures of the children walking down the street playing their instruments reminded me of a Christmas tradition called patinata. Around Christmas time, a whole street would be closed to traffic one night (or was it a set of nights?), and everyone would go there for a street party. There was a real festival atmosphere about it. Kids would go to the patinata with skateboards, roller blades and bicycles and just hang out there. They were really cool because you'd get to play on a street that was normally really busy and you'd get to be out at dark after your bed time. Do those still happen?

A couple of other news items:
  • Lilian Tintori was able to see her husband Leopoldo Lopez for the first time in 35 days today. Lopez had no idea that the protests were going on (he's been completely cut off from the outside since before the protests started). Lilian said that she told him all about the protests, how they're still going, how they're so intense, and Leopoldo apparently told her, "now I understand why they haven't let anyone come see me". Lilian said that Leopoldo was in good health.

  • The army announced today that 780 people have been arrested in Carabobo state over the last week of unrest there, and that at least 251 of them have been or will be brought up before military tribunals on charges like "rebellion and conspiracy". Yesterday, the MUD said that 40 civilians have already been processed by military tribunals in Carabobo and sent to prison. This is a deeply disturbing development because as has been pointed out before, civilians cannot be tried in military tribunals under Venezuelan law. I think that the reason why the regime is relying more and more on these tribunals is because it feels like it can no longer fully trust the Public Ministry (which is in charge of the administration of justice), given recent comments by Attorney General Luisa Ortega Diaz.

  • The regime asked the MUD to join it for a meeting to plan the Communal Constituent Assembly (CCA) tomorrow, and the MUD said that it would never agree to participate in that "fraud". Instead, the opposition will try to march to the Ministry of Education building in Caracas, since Elias Jaua is both Minister of Education and in charge of the CCA). The National Guard and National Bolivarian Police had some rest this weekend, so look for more violent repression tomorrow.

El Estimulo is a newspaper out of Lara state, and it published an article on Friday profiling "the children of the resistance". These are kids who have been observed taking part in protests. The article profiles kids seen protesting in Caracas last week, and it is really difficult to get through. The article is worth a click for the pictures. I've translated about half of it here:

quote:

“We’re here because we want change and a better country. That’s why we have to fight, and this president doesn’t want to help us. We want change”, insists the 13-year-old. They refuse to give their names. They explain that they are from El Paraiso and that they came to Altamira on a bus. They’re prepared. The 15-year-old has a thick glove on his right hand–the one he uses to throw tear gas canister back–and a rock firmly in his left. He also uses a hat, goggles and a scarf. The 13-year-old has a helmet, but no gloves. He needs both hands free. They defend themselves with a slingshot. There, closer to the Francisco de Miranda avenue than to the skirmish, they’ve got it loaded. That’s what the marbles are for.

They are joined by a third who says his name is Jose Felix, from Petare. He says that he is also 13 year old, but he’s barely over a meter tall. He looks seven. He has nothing to protect him. Not even a mix of bicarbonate and water, which helps to counteract the sting of the gases. He doesn’t need it. Later, he’s seen wearing a hood and walking out of a crowd. He had found a wooden shield and was running from the Del Avila avenue to South [Avenue] yelling: “They’re coming from that side!”. He was talking about the [National] Guard. The warning helped those up the street to move and evade the toxic clouds.

(...)

A murmur begins to be heard. It sounds like pots and pans, but it’s not. The metal sounds different. Little by little, it gets louder. It is the thunder of the wall that protects the South Altamira field. The sound isn’t bothersome. It is a call to stand firm. It grows louder as lines of tear gas are drawn over the heads of the protesters. That’s when Carlos Veliz reveals himself. He is from Guatire and he is 16 years old. “I’m here because I want to defend my future. If we don’t do it now, we’re not going to have anything late. Only dictatorship, and then what will I do?”. Carlos has a mission in this battle although he’s not sure how to pronounce it: “My job is to throw rocks and… Morrocoy cocktails [he means “Molotov cocktails”]. Whatever they’re called. I learned about that here. You make them with a bit of gasoline and soil so that it expands”.

This is shift work. Whole some emerge with reddened and sweaty faces, other head down to the area around the Francisco de Fajardo highway to keep up the fight. Marco Murillo, 14, appeared with a strained look, twisted, fists clenched and shoulder square. He lives on the highway connect Petare and Guarenas and he also arrived here on foot. “I don’t like how the country is. You have to put up with a lot of lines”. He doesn’t know how to make Molotov cocktails, but he does know how to throw them. His job is also to return tear gas to the [National] Guard, or to take [Molotov cocktails] up to the “shield-bearers”. “My only protection are my gloves and my mask, but the filter is damaged”. That day he only had one glove on and in his naked hand he held a rock.

Junior Ortiz, 12, plays with a rock. He was throwing it up in the air and catching it with the same hand. His only protection was his helmet and as he himself put it: his strength. “I throw rocks however I can and I hang on however I can, too”. He says he protests because he’s fighting for his country and because he likes adrenaline. He came from the Simon Rodriguez neighbourhood–near the Waraira Repano cable car–with his father and his uncle, but he was always seen alone.

(...)

They were on the Victoria avenue when the repression began on May 1. There were two of them, both said they were called Jose and that they were brothers. They always roam the area between International and El Progreso streets. One said that he was 13 years old and the other 11. They arrived just after a the National Bolivarian Police had launched a volley of tear gas at protesters.

They were excited. They both had rocks in their hands. The eldest loaded his slingshot with a rock every time he heard and explosion.

Aren’t you too young to be here?

That doesn’t matter.

And why did you come?

Because we are hungry.

Night10194 posted:

So, uh, why is Maduro demanding cows join his constitutional assembly?
He is not a very intelligent person. My guess is he was trying to be cute for the cameras. The best part of the video is how the cows remained completely silent throughout. Maduro could have turned a "moo!" into agreement to join him on his crusade, but those fascist cows gave him nothing!

AstraSage posted:

On a unrelated note, I'm mostly lurking in this thread because usually anything I could report about Valencia ends up covered better by Chuck's compiling.
I hope I'm not discouraging you or anyone else from posting! Your lived experience adds more to the thread than whatever I dig up from Twitter.

Chuck Boone
Feb 12, 2009

El Turpial
The march to the Ministry of Education office in Caracas today was (surprise) violently repressed by state security forces, and the demonstrators did not reach their destination. So far, today has been a near play-by-play repeat of the standard protests that we've been seeing since early April.

Here are some highlights:

In another bit of news, National Assembly PSUV deputy Pedro Carreño gave an interview in the state-owned VTV network in which he said that the regime was working to strengthen militia "fighting units to support the regime". He gave a bunch of figures that, if accurate, suggest that there are approximately 203,000 militia organized into 10,176 Unidades de Batalla Bolivar Chavez (UBCh), which I suspect most Venezuelans would qualify as a colectivo armado.

There's no way to verify this information, but it's troubling that Carreño would go on TV and boast about this. He said that the U.S. was going to invade Venezuela, and that when it did the UBCh would make sure that the U.S. would "find 13,682 Vietnams" in Venezuela. Again, I'm not sure where the math came from, but it's such a precise number of Vietnams that we can only assume that he arrived at the figure after careful calculation.

Also, here's the obligatory picture of Pedro Carreño that must accompany any discussion of him. The man looks like a Bond villain. Yes, he has that look on his face all the time:



Finally, here's a pretty :gbsmith: video. I'm not sure when or where it was recorded, but it came up on Twitter today. I think it was recorded in Caracas. It shows a man driving along when he sees a man looking through a pile of garbage accompanied by a small boy. I've translated the video below:

https://twitter.com/botellazo/status/861687443568898048

quote:

Driver: Hey buddy–are you looking for food for the kid?

Father: Yes.

Driver: Come here, buddy. I’m giving you my sandwich, and here are some chocolates for the kid.

Father: Thank you, brother. I hope God rewards your generosity.

Driver: Don’t worry about it. Bye, buddy!

Vlex
Aug 4, 2006
I'd rather be a climbing ape than a big titty angel.



AstraSage posted:

Not exactly.

It's more that if someone in Venezuela want something sent to them from Amazon, they need to get through one of many shipping companies instead of the disaster we call Postal Service. And pretty much all of said companies had a Miami Middleman Address to take advantage of Florida's tax-less prices not straining the original Restrictions we had in Electronic Purchases through Local Credit Cards (until two years ago, where not even the ones from Government-owned banks can be used for any non-Venezuelan website at all) so any added cost like the shipping itself could be covered in Bolivares, a separate amount of Dollars or Amazon Giftcards depending of the company.


On a unrelated note, I'm mostly lurking in this thread because usually anything I could report about Valencia ends up covered better by Chuck's compiling.

So like most of the information we were given, it was bogus, gotcha.

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


I just checked Carlos Latuff's twitter today and gee I wonder why he's so quiet about the situation in Venezuela.

Chuck Boone
Feb 12, 2009

El Turpial
Highlights from the last two days:

Tuesday May 9:
  • There was no large protest action planned for today, but there were smaller demonstrations all around the country.

  • A 25 year old woman named Alix Wadskier Alvarez was run over by a truck registered to a government agency in Calabozo, Guarico state. She is allegedly a university student who was visiting the town from Aragua (or Carabobo) state for some reason. Alix was protesting on a street when the event occurred. I won't link the images or videos from the scenes, but they're on Twitter. As far as I know she is still alive, but she was dragged underneath the SUV for quite some distance and suffered what looks to be catastrophic injuries to her skull.

Wednesday May 10:
  • Large protest event called "La Constitucion es mi Escudo" [The Constitution is my Shield] took place in Caracas. The opposition attempted to march to the Supreme Court in western Caracas, but was violently repressed just as it has been the past dozen or so times over the last five weeks or so.

    Two protesters killed. Total death toll now sits at 47 since first casualty on April 6. I'll get to the two fatalities further down.

  • Shield-bearers made a big appearance today, and I think they're common fixtures at the protests in Caracas now. It's quite remarkable to see how organized some of these shield units are. Protesters appear to be forming shield walls for defense (to cover retreats under tear gas/rubber bullet/water cannon fire) and offensively (to charge National Guard vehicles under cover).

    The shield wall below is providing cover to allow other protesters to throw rocks and other objects at the National Guard:

    https://twitter.com/CybernetVzla/status/862383483729170432

    Another video of the same tactic:

    https://twitter.com/CaraotaDigital/status/862387170593648640

  • In the videos below, the shield walls cover a withdrawal:

    https://twitter.com/venezoIanos/status/862383684980273152

    I can't get over how impressive this video is. The amount of spontaneous cohesion and organization required to pull off a maneouver like this under pressure is remarkable. Protesters retreat as a single unit:

    https://twitter.com/NTN24ve/status/862388610364039173

  • In the video below, protesters use their shields to advance on a ballena (a high-pressure water cannon truck) and attack it:

    https://twitter.com/NTN24ve/status/862390732283412480

  • 27-year-old Miguel Castillo Bracho was killed in Las Mercedes in the early afternoon. Right now it's looking like he was shot in the throat with some kind of projectile, but not necessarily a bullet. Authorities have been known to fire marbles and ball bearings at protesters, and I'm hearing that Bracho may have been hit by a ball bearing.

    I believe that the video below shows Bracho being driven away to receive care on the back of a motorcycle. Bracho was without vital signs when he arrived at a local hospital:

    https://twitter.com/ibracarmona/status/862393002907639809

  • Diosdado Cabello was on TV and said that Bracho was killed by the opposition. Just as he did after the death of Juan Pernalete on April 26, Cabello said that Bracho couldn't have been killed by authorities because there were none in Las Mercedes at the time. Cabello was lying when he said that about Pernalete and he is lying now. Cabello even said that the chief of a police agency told him that Braco and Pernalete looked similar, and that it's possible that the opposition is "looking for young people with those [physical characteristics]" to kill them for some reason. No, I am not joking, Cabello actually said that on television and I am now just a bit deader inside.

  • The video below shows a National Guard soldier shooting a protester at point-blank range with a tear gas canister as he drives away on his motorcycle. As you can see, the (likely freshly beaten) protester is on the ground and poses absolutely no threat to the four soldiers present. The protester stumbles a few feet and then collapses. This is exactly how Juan Pablo Pernalete was killed:

    https://twitter.com/OrtizLomeo/status/862446721816834048

    This other video shows a group of National Bolivarian Police officers beating protesters. I believe this was taken on the Las Mercedes bridge near the Francisco Fajardo highway (incidentally, near to where Bracho was killed). At the 0:19 mark, a National Guard soldier shoots a fleeing protester in the back at point-blank range with what is probably rubber pellets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjaPLYI0gjk

  • A colectivo armado attacked an opposition demonstration in La Candelaria in Caracas. The colectivo robbed people at the scene and then caused the crowd to disperse in panic by shooting their guns in the air and pointing them at protesters.

    This video shows the colectivo (wearing black on motorcycles) as it starts shooting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yadPIf-2Ug

    The video below shows protesters running in panic as the shooting starts:

    https://twitter.com/ReporteYa/status/862372289312149508

    National Assembly deputy Gaby Arellano holds up spent bullet casings after the attack:

    https://twitter.com/gabyarellanoVE/status/862359640004337664

    The video below shows the colectivo robbing a man who happens to be the driver for the film crew that recorded the video. In the video, you can see that the National Bolivarian Police soldiers are completely helpless against the colectivo. The officers literally run at the colectivo and shrug their shoulders at them:

    https://twitter.com/CaraotaDigital/status/862369317542920202

    The colectivo attack in La Candelaria prompted an unprecedented response. The head of the National Bolivarian Police, Brigadier General Alfredo Ampueda, told reporters that the colectivo members were "bums" and acknowledged in frustration that they were better armed and equipped than his officers, which is why the police were completely unable to respond to the attack. This is the first time that I've heard a high-ranking PSUV official acknowledge that colectivos exist and that they act against the law.

  • A colectivo also attacked a protest in Merida. Here's a video showing protesters running down the street to the sound of gunfire from the colectivo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFM47MRpHsI

The death toll from the protests since the first casualty on April 6 is now 47, and is now greater than the death toll from the 2014 unrest.

The opposition is planning a memorial march tomorrow in Caracas.

Laphroaig
Feb 6, 2004

Drinking Smoke
Dinosaur Gum
tempted to make a poopootov GBS thread and become a superstar

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.4d6c840c6df7

quote:

The security forces, my colleagues report, “appear increasingly determined to choke the protest movement with brute force, including the use of copious amounts of tear gas. Several protesters have been killed or severely injured by gas canisters fired into crowds or allegedly dropped from government helicopters. Last week, a young man was injured when he was run over by an armored police vehicle that plowed through a melee.”

In response, protesters have adopted some unusual tactics. Many sport armor and helmets retrofitted from household goods. And, after being confronted by countless rounds of tear gas, some came to the streets Wednesday with a nasty new weapon: fecal matter. According to a Reuters report, some protesters were making “poopootov cocktails” — plastic or glass jars filled with a mix of water and human excrement.




(Image is direct from the article, and its not particularly gross, but spoilered to be safe)

“The kids go out with just stones. That's their weapon. Now they have another weapon: excrement,” a 51-year-old dentist said to Reuters while preparing containers of feces in her home.

This revolting state of affairs is in part the consequence of a rolling economic crisis and recession.
Since Maduro took office in 2013, Venezuela's economy has cratered, inflation has soared and Venezuelans have endured food shortages and blackouts that shuttered hospitals. As we wrote earlier, whole swaths of the population are reporting acute weight loss and a cutback in their daily meals. This week, the Venezuelan government published shocking new data: The country's infant mortality rose 30 percent last year, maternal mortality shot up 65 percent and cases of malaria jumped 76 percent.

As Maduro extends the crackdown and even hauls civilians before military tribunals, there's a growing sense that external pressure is needed to ease the crisis. All eyes are on a meeting of the Organization of American States, or OAS, expected this month, where Venezuela will be at the forefront of the agenda. Maduro has threatened to pull out of the regional alliance, which is headquartered in Washington. If he follows through, it would make Venezuela only the second country after Cuba not to belong to the hemispheric bloc.

the "revolting state of affairs" joke was bolded in the original article. perfect. :discourse:

Laphroaig fucked around with this message at 07:26 on May 11, 2017

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2019

Chuck Boone posted:

Diosdado Cabello was on TV and said that Bracho was killed by the opposition. Just as he did after the death of Juan Pernalete on April 26, Cabello said that Bracho couldn't have been killed by authorities because there were none in Las Mercedes at the time. Cabello was lying when he said that about Pernalete and he is lying now. Cabello even said that the chief of a police agency told him that Braco and Pernalete looked similar, and that it's possible that the opposition is "looking for young people with those [physical characteristics]" to kill them for some reason. No, I am not joking, Cabello actually said that on television and I am now just a bit deader inside.


So this guy is basically Trump without the business background.

Labradoodle
Nov 24, 2011

Crax daubentoni

Fuschia tude posted:

So this guy is basically Trump without the business background.

Cabello is basically a Bond villain come to life. Seriously, google the guy. He's been involved with the whole Chavista movement since the beginning and now he's basically a drug kingpin. The whole country knows he's as rich as Croesus and that he didn't come by that wealth by chance. In the past, he was one of the major movers and shakers in Chavismo. These days he doesn't hold a high rank or keep a high profile, but he's still one of their most public figures and attack dogs.

Chuck Boone
Feb 12, 2009

El Turpial
There was a memorial march yesterday in Caracas for Miguel Castillo Bracho. The march made it to the spot in Las Mercedes where Castillo was killed.

The memorial started at Castillo's high school, where a children's band played the national anthem:

https://twitter.com/JuanAndresMejia/status/862667428798529536

Then the mourners marched to Las Mercedes:

https://twitter.com/CaraotaDigital/status/862692737165950980

https://twitter.com/EfectoCocuyo/status/862680673890578433

They placed flowers and wrote messages on the spot where he died:

https://twitter.com/FreddyGuevaraC/status/862706798335336450

The march took place without incident because *gasp* when the authorities do not show up to a peaceful assembly to repress, the peaceful assembly tends to unfold peacefully and without incident!

Yesterday, El Universal reported that Miguel Castillo Bracho was killed by a ball bearing that entered his body through his left arm and struck his heart. Here is a picture of the ball bearing that killed him:



I've been seeing pictures and videos of protesters holding up ball bearings, nails and marbles that they say were fired at them by the authorities. I've also seen a picture of a protester with a marble lodged in his leg. This is the first confirmed fatality from one of these projectiles.

There's supposed to be a march of elderly people today in Caracas titled "Por Nuestros Nietos" [For Our Grandchildren]. The march is setting off from Chacaito to the Public Defender's office starting at around 10:00 AM. I think that we'll probably see a repeat of the Women's March last Saturday. Optically it would be disastrous for the National Guard to tear gas and shoot at grandmas and grandpas, so I think that they'll just put up those big mobile walls and stop the march from happening.

On what appears to be an unrelated note, someone put shipping containers blocking access to bridges in Las Mercedes and Bello Monte overnight:

https://twitter.com/CarlosRaulHer/status/863000673423642624

https://twitter.com/Betticaa/status/863014171805462528

No one seems to know who put the containers there or why, but people on Twitter think it was the government. Anyway, Civil Protection showed up and started removing them just now:

https://twitter.com/traffiCARACAS/status/863038862360064000

The Venezuelan embassy in Madrid tried to hold a pro-regime event there at a cultural centre yesterday, but the whole thing went belly up when hundreds of Venezuelans showed up to protest outside of the building:

https://twitter.com/NTN24ve/status/862734340849094656

This is all hearsay, so take it with a grain of salt: I heard that the man who organized the protest only requested a permit (you need permits to protest in Spain) for about 20 people, because that's how many people usually turned up to the protests that he organized. The outrage against the regime from Venezuelan expats is such that all of those people ended up showing up essentially unannounced. This sort of thing has been happening all over, too: there was a scuffle at an anti-regime protest in Panama earlier this week, and I've seen pictures of consulates/embassies in Colombia, the U.S. and Belgium being the sites of protests and demonstrations.

The Venezuelan consulate here in Toronto planned an event for this weekend that had a really dumb name: something like, "The Great Demonstration of Support for President Nicolas Maduro's Dialogue and Constituent Assembly". The official poster promoting the event on the consulate's website contained this image of heavily armed opposition protesters:



People on Twitter immediately picked up the fact that the image is a really crappy photoshop of a picture taken by an EFE journalist. This is the original image:



The consulate took the poster down from its website, and then replaced it with another image. Then, it took the poster down completely, and then later it put up an announcement on its website saying that it had been hacked and that it's staff had experience "endless threats, insults and sabotage". It's not clear if the event is still taking place, but there's a counter-event happening that I'll be attending. I'll come back with pictures later this weekend.

A couple of other things that have slipped through the cracks in the last few days:
  • An official report from the Ministry of Health showed that infant mortality rates were up 30% last year, and that maternal morality rates were up 65%. The report came out on Monday, I think, and the minister of health got sacked on Wednesday. She'd only been at the position since November of last year so she had nothing to do with these horrendous figures, but I'm sure Maduro is patting himself on the back for finally taking decisive action on this and fixing the country's healthcare crisis once and for all.

  • This website got its hands on the 2015 grand jury indictment against Nestor Reverol, who is currently the Minister of the Interior and was at one point the head of the country's anti-drug agency. The existence of the indictment isn't new (I think news of it broke in the second half of last year), but I think this is the first time that we're actually reading the document.

    The indictment alleges that Reverol and an accomplice named Edylberto Jose Molina Molina were paid by drug traffickers to help them move product through Venezuela. Some of the things that Reverol and Molina are alleged to have done include alerting drug traffickers of impending police raids, ordered the release of arrested traffickers, "stopped or hindered" investigations into drug trafficking, and "prevented the arrest or deportation" of drug traffickers wanted in other countries, including the U.S. The two also allegedly conspired to ship cocaine into the United States as late as 2010.

    As Minister of the Interior, Reverol is in charge of the internal security of the country, so he's the head of all police organizations. So when someone asks you why Venezuela has so much crime, the fact that the top cop in the country is probably a drug trafficker might be a good place to start your answer.

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Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



I hope the protests continue until the regime is toppled, with minimal casualties of course...except maybe Maduro and his cronies, who are responsible for the deaths and suffering of so many.

Stay safe and stay strong.

Fados posted:

Meanwhile the good dudes at telesur just released this aptly named Maduro propaganda documentary called : "Indestructible Loyalty"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrLvKkk14AA

:allears:

Downvoted this poo poo, and I hope you guys do too. Mind-boggling that you can have Western (non-Latin American) commenters talk about 'American warfare' when it's Maduro blatantly killing 'his' people both directly and indirectly.

Chuck Boone posted:

This is all hearsay, so take it with a grain of salt: I heard that the man who organized the protest only requested a permit (you need permits to protest in Spain) for about 20 people, because that's how many people usually turned up to the protests that he organized. The outrage against the regime from Venezuelan expats is such that all of those people ended up showing up essentially unannounced. This sort of thing has been happening all over, too: there was a scuffle at an anti-regime protest in Panama earlier this week, and I've seen pictures of consulates/embassies in Colombia, the U.S. and Belgium being the sites of protests and demonstrations.

Next time there's a protest in Brussels, I'm down. Haven't seen anything for the time being, but if you're in the know you can keep me posted.

Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 14:53 on May 14, 2017

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