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COMRADES posted:What I don't get is the double standard, frankly. The GOP is openly selling access to politicians (and only a few grand a pop!) and if the Dems did that you people would be in an apoplectic rage (and rightfully imo). But the TTP, my man
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COMRADES posted:What I don't get is the double standard, frankly. The GOP is openly selling access to politicians (and only a few grand a pop!) and if the Dems did that you people would be in an apoplectic rage (and rightfully imo). I thought we were talking about trump, not the rank and file GOP.
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Who are you supporting, the spooks or Trump? Who would you rather see set the agenda for the country?
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Yug posted:I thought we were talking about trump, not the rank and file GOP. Trump is the president which makes him the leader of the GOP. Is he that much of a lame duck so early into his presidency? At the very least he could be calling them out on corruption as per his campaign promises but he isn't whatsoever. In fact he's cozying up to Paul Ryan, arguably the most "gently caress poors love the rich" guy in the House.
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Yug posted:Who are you supporting, the spooks or Trump? Who would you rather see set the agenda for the country?
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May 12, 2017 08:17
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Are the Russians a third option? I'll take them over the CIA too.
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May 12, 2017 08:19
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Trump has opened some people's eyes to how corrupt and biased the media is. Of course there are still way too many people who are too emotionally involved to have their eyes opened, but I have faith, in time, he will open their eyes too. The people resistant to having their eyes opened are the same ones who believe the media when they say things like "Reality has a liberal bias" with a straight face and no hint of irony. The media thinks they control reality, and Trump is throwing that right back into their face, and it's great.
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May 12, 2017 08:21
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Poetic Justice posted:Trump has opened some people's eyes to how corrupt and biased the media is. Of course there are still way too many people who are too emotionally involved to have their eyes opened, but I have faith, in time, he will open their eyes too. The people resistant to having their eyes opened are the same ones who believe the media when they say things like "Reality has a liberal bias" with a straight face and no hint of irony. Cool, where do you get your news?
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May 12, 2017 08:24
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Dissapointed Owl posted:Cool, where do you get your news? Primary sources
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Poetic Justice posted:Primary sources Wanna elaborate on that at all?
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:Lol Trumpets elected him based on a "Make America great again" slogan and now they claim they are happy enough with "At least keep the status quo" In 2020, if we're engaged in multiple wars and the economy has crashed they'll reassure themselves that they couldn't have known (somehow everyone else did) or compare it to their fevered Hillary-timeline nightmare that will always be more horrible, simply because it has to be. Knight fucked around with this message at 08:28 on May 12, 2017 |
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Poetic Justice posted:Trump has opened some people's eyes to how corrupt and biased the media is. Of course there are still way too many people who are too emotionally involved to have their eyes opened, but I have faith, in time, he will open their eyes too. The people resistant to having their eyes opened are the same ones who believe the media when they say things like "Reality has a liberal bias" with a straight face and no hint of irony. The media thinks they control reality, and Trump is throwing that right back into their face, and it's great. Trump is the ultimate truth teller. You can tell it's really starting to mess with people's minds.
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Critical thinking, finding and reading full quotes instead of out of context snippets often used to push an agenda. Making sure to doubly doubt stories that gel with what I want to hear and makes me feel smug. Never taking a specific angle as the truth even when reported by multiple news organizations. Reading NYT, Washpo, CNN, Fox News all the places. When you rely on one Left or Right agenda, you seldomly get the full unbiased truth. Everyone is trying to push their agenda, and with Trump being president, the left leaning media outlets who before tried to claim they were unbiased are showing their hand more and more.
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Knight posted:They really don't expect anything to get better under Trump's presidency, they know it will get worse. Why did they buy all these hats saying otherwise then? Masochism?
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This is a few pages back, but...Yug posted:Maybe you don't care because you're in a position of privilege but I have a lot of friends and families who would have had their livelihoods absolutely completely hosed if TPP had gone through Explain this, if you would. I know that TPP was a bad deal, and I know quite a bit more about it besides that. But I want to hear from you how exactly it would have hosed over people that you know IRL.
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well at lot of the "discussion" here is not about actual policies but about identity and symbolism. trumpism is right-wing identity politics. the big political divide in the U.S. is between urban and rural/suburbs (the latter kind of a battleground) and the political loyalties map onto them. nixon was adept at exploiting this to his advantage. for the right, with some justification, they resent liberal do-gooders perched in their urban and academic enclaves and who exercise a lot of sway over media/entertainment. there are many liberals who believe their politics are the only acceptable baseline for speaking about how society should be ordered, which leads to things like "PC" (in the american context) and creates a lot of resentment which eventually, given enough time, causes the pendulum to swing in the other direction. and it swung very hard in 2016. but eventually it will swing back in the other direction.
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Poetic Justice posted:Critical thinking, finding and reading full quotes instead of out of context snippets often used to push an agenda. Making sure to doubly doubt stories that gel with what I want to hear and makes me feel smug. Never taking a specific angle as the truth even when reported by multiple news organizations. Reading NYT, Washpo, CNN, Fox News all the places. When you rely on one Left or Right agenda, you seldomly get the full unbiased truth. I agree. But even doing all of the above, Trump comes across as a lumbering buffoon with zero experience, leadership or deal making skills in the current administration. Even if you solely go by full interviews, he sounds woefully out of touch with the reality of the job, the problems (not the perceived problems) of the American people, and at times reality itself. I'm just trying to understand what you think someone like me, who is getting his information from a multitude of sources (domestic and international), is doing wrong to come to a conclusion parallel to your own.
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The wealthy that are in power do not care about you. The leftists, the right, neither of them. All the do is try to distract you and enrage you and get you to focus on "the enemy" while they slip their hands into your pockets. For the Right, it was Obamas birth certificate, and all that other poo poo they spouted. For the Left, it's Russia, hacking, Trump getting 2 ice cream scoops. It's all bullshit. It's all a distraction
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Majorian posted:This is a few pages back, but... Sorry I can;t understand this post, can you rephrase it in a super smug sentence with a smilie at the end?
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Dissapointed Owl posted:I agree. But even doing all of the above, Trump comes across as a lumbering buffoon with zero experience, leadership or deal making skills in the current administration. Even if you solely go by full interviews, he sounds woefully out of touch with the reality of the job, the problems (not the perceived problems) of the American people, and at times reality itself. Trump is not a politician. He isn't a smooth charismatic talker. He's blunt. He says what comes to his mind, and generally doesn't have a filter. People don't like that because they are used to their public figures being groomed and tailored by a PR machine that tells them what to say, how to say it and what to look like. While Trump is a billionare, he is also some what an outsider of what people are used to seeing.
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Poetic Justice posted:The wealthy that are in power do not care about you. The leftists, the right, neither of them. All the do is try to distract you and enrage you and get you to focus on "the enemy" while they slip their hands into your pockets. For the Right, it was Obamas birth certificate, and all that other poo poo they spouted. For the Left, it's Russia, hacking, Trump getting 2 ice cream scoops. It's all bullshit. It's all a distraction I don't see how that has anything to do with the facts of what Trump himself is doing and saying, isolated from the image drawn by the media.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:I agree. But even doing all of the above, Trump comes across as a lumbering buffoon with zero experience, leadership or deal making skills in the current administration. Even if you solely go by full interviews, he sounds woefully out of touch with the reality of the job, the problems (not the perceived problems) of the American people, and at times reality itself.
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Poetic Justice posted:The wealthy that are in power do not care about you. All the do is try to distract you and enrage you and get you to focus on "the enemy" while they slip their hands into your pockets. Please explain how this exact sentence above doesn't apply word for word to Donald J. Trump
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Dissapointed Owl posted:I don't see how that has anything to do with the facts of what Trump himself is doing and saying, isolated from the image drawn by the media. What is it that he is doing or saying that you are referring to? SpaceGoatFarts posted:Please explain how this exact sentence above doesn't apply word for word to Donald J. Trump
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Trump reminds me of my fairly autistic/aspergers syndrome father but like... more so. gently caress YOU AUTISTIC DAD
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re: RussiansYug posted:I'll take them over the CIA too. I have some good news for you friend!
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Yug posted:This little ivory tower socialist guy is just absolutely perplexed by working people voting for their own self interests. Not having health insurance and paying more in taxes doesn't seem to be in their own self interests.
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Poetic Justice posted:Trump is not a politician. He isn't a smooth charismatic talker. He's blunt. He says what comes to his mind, and generally doesn't have a filter. People don't like that because they are used to their public figures being groomed and tailored by a PR machine that tells them what to say, how to say it and what to look like. While Trump is a billionare, he is also some what an outsider of what people are used to seeing. You don't see a major error in thinking to support someone simply because they're 'different'? He still lies as much (if not more) as an inveterate politician. He still makes excessive backdoor deals with his buddies (and now also his family). All of this just gets combined with child like tantrum throwing if he doesn't get his way, as if the electoral college appointed him a monarch. And that's not even adding the fact his policies are destructive to the environment, education, and the rights of the US populace in general. I'm missing the appeal, I feel.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:You don't see a major error in thinking to support someone simply because they're 'different'? He still lies as much (if not more) as an inveterate politician. He still makes excessive backdoor deals with his buddies (and now also his family). All of this just gets combined with child like tantrum throwing if he doesn't get his way, as if the electoral college appointed him a monarch. What you are missing is that Donald was elected for the lulz
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Yug posted:gently caress YOU AUTISTIC DAD
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:No, I like my dad. But he does remind me of Trump. Your dad sounds cool then. I'm glad you like your dad.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:You don't see a major error in thinking to support someone simply because they're 'different'? He still lies as much (if not more) as an inveterate politician. He still makes excessive backdoor deals with his buddies (and now also his family). All of this just gets combined with child like tantrum throwing if he doesn't get his way, as if the electoral college appointed him a monarch. Sometimes an unknown is a better choice than a known evil, even if it turns out worse in the long run. If you are trapped in a car that's run off a bridge and are sinking, do you just accept your fate and drown, or do you smash your head against the windshield trying to get out. For a lot of the people that voted for Trump, they were in a sinking car.
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Poetic Justice posted:Sometimes an unknown is a better choice than a known evil, even if it turns out worse in the long run. So eventually it's not a better choice. Just an uninformed one. And you can't really blame people who are pointing why it's an uninformed choice.
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Poetic Justice posted:What is it that he is doing or saying that you are referring to? Take away every single media portrayed outrage, and simply watch him speak or read the lengthy recent Time interview here. I won't pick and choose select quotes as you seem strongly opposed to that, which is fine. Just take in the entire thing. Can you describe what kind of person Donald Trump is based on this interview? Just some characteristics of the man that come across in the interview. It's fairly indicative of him as a person (and president so far), and I'm curious.
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lol Trump has a very solid unbroken 40 year public record of being an evil capitalist shitstorm, exemplifying the absolute worst extremes of waste and conspicuous consumption and screwing over every person he could get away with, but he's an unknown and Hillary would have been worse
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:So eventually it's not a better choice. Just an uninformed one. So you can't really blame the Russians for informing the American public about Hillary then?  Dissapointed Owl posted:Take away every single media portrayed outrage, and simply watch him speak or read the lengthy recent Time interview here. I won't pick and choose select quotes as you seem strongly opposed to that, which is fine. Just take in the entire thing. I'll have to read through that later, it's really late here.
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Poetic Justice posted:Sometimes an unknown is a better choice than a known evil, even if it turns out worse in the long run. If you are trapped in a car that's run off a bridge and are sinking, do you just accept your fate and drown, or do you smash your head against the windshield trying to get out. For a lot of the people that voted for Trump, they were in a sinking car. Do you mean the vast majority of Trump voters felt that they were 'sinking' (this analogy implying a life-threatening situation) financially? Morally? In security?
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Dissapointed Owl posted:Can you describe what kind of person Donald Trump is based on this interview? Just some characteristics of the man that come across in the interview. It's fairly indicative of him as a person (and president so far), and I'm curious. First thing that comes to mind is senile. That stage of life when the very direction of time seems to have reversed and you start losing everything you spent your life building; especially critical thinking, language and eventually all your memories. Until you become like a toddler again, waiting for the nurse to change your diaper.
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Yug posted:Sorry I can;t understand this post, can you rephrase it in a super smug sentence with a smilie at the end? Ah, so they don't exist and you were talking out of your rear end. I am shocked.
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