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TildeATH posted:Quiet you, with your superstitious ways! I support this motion. Let us bring the light of Islam to all the islands of the Atlantic, no matter how big they are.
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WilliamAnderson posted:
  E: Also, fellow merchants, the explore/colonize proposal already has a metric fuckton of support so let's pick a second one to complement it instead of just piling on.
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May 11, 2017 23:41
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 I, Emir Flavius al-Belisarius of the Taifas, who is totally not a Roman, support Lutfi al-Uthman's plan to keep our alliance with the Celts. All of you who are supporting this barracks initiative: you are correct that a Muslim boy's place is on the battlefield, defending our land from the Christians. Yet, when given a choice, why would we choose to spend our resources on recruiting more of our own when the Christians are fractured and more than ready to spill their own blood against each other? This alliance strengthens us and weakens all of Christendom in the West. We must keep the priests from dissolving it. I also urge the Merchants to turn away from their trinkets for a moment to give this thought.
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May 11, 2017 23:45
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Crazycryodude posted:
How dare you speak against the Exploration Wing of the Merchant Faction? Allah have mercy on your perfidious, innovative ways if you do. The Oubliette Faction can always use new members.
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May 11, 2017 23:47
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WilliamAnderson posted:
Abandoning my own proposal to support this one.
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May 12, 2017 00:14
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WilliamAnderson posted:
I support this motion
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May 12, 2017 00:14
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TildeATH posted:How dare you speak against the Exploration Wing of the Merchant Faction? Allah have mercy on your perfidious, innovative ways if you do. The Oubliette Faction can always use new members. Keep threatening people with the Oubliette, and I'll have you thrown into the Oubliette, you cackling hyena! 
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May 12, 2017 00:15
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Merchants please, let's not fight among ourselves. There are plenty of business opportunities and gold for all of us! I myself would have supported the proposal to explore the oceans if it didn't have such a resounding success already.
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May 12, 2017 00:42
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TildeATH posted:Quiet you, with your superstitious ways! I support this proposition. Though I would like to remind my fellow merchants that finding an alternate route to Mecca should be of higher priority than connecting with our fellow Muslims in the distant lands of China. Not that I see any reason we cannot undertake both mind you.
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May 12, 2017 02:10
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paragon1 posted:Keep threatening people with the Oubliette, and I'll have you thrown into the Oubliette, you cackling hyena! I should charge you for my patented treatment. Your wives will be so grateful they'll say, "Mash'Allah his skin is so soft and white after his months at the bottom of the oubliette!"
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May 12, 2017 02:20
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WilliamAnderson posted:
I, Qasim ibn Qaptin, support this motion. I assume we don't even need a Policy to take the Exploration idea group and that's just kinda happening because it goes hand in hand with our policy to colonize westwards.
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May 12, 2017 02:24
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Captain Oblivious posted:
It goes hand in hand with the Merchants becoming the largest faction. If the New Taifas are the largest faction by the time the next idea group rolls around, for example, I'll pick one of the military groups, like Offensive or Aristocratic.
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May 12, 2017 02:27
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Rubix Squid posted:
To be honest, I kinda feel like maybe clearing the existing and known routes to Mecca might be something to keep the New Taifas occupied.
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May 12, 2017 02:29
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Flavius Belisarius posted:
And yet, while I support the alliance, I must wonder how much the Celts will be willing to help us? Will their promises from across the sea mean anything when the French are at the gates, or would an army we built for ourselves be more useful? Let the Ulemas moan, as they always do. The Sultan has the final say.
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May 12, 2017 04:07
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We cannot match the French man for man by ourselves, and we already spent blood and treasure on this alliance, why break it before we have a chance to call upon it ourselves? Even if they should summon us again, we need merely answer the call and keep to our own borders rather than actually engaging.
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May 12, 2017 05:53
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I should hope the Ulema have the good sense not to go through with this proposal. Our Alliance with the Celts is a pivotal resource. We've earned favors by coming to their aid, bloody though it was, it would be foolish to deny ourselves the ability to call in those favors when we need them. And I fear we shall need them. The Taifas are right about one thing, if France gets a foothold in Iberia it will be a dark omen for all of us.
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May 12, 2017 06:52
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Captain Oblivious posted:I should hope the Ulema have the good sense not to go through with this proposal. Our Alliance with the Celts is a pivotal resource. We've earned favors by coming to their aid, bloody though it was, it would be foolish to deny ourselves the ability to call in those favors when we need them. And I fear we shall need them. They've already crossed the Pyrenees, they have that foothold.
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May 12, 2017 07:04
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catlord posted:They've already crossed the Pyrenees, they have that foothold. I'd hesitate to call that fingernail of territory a foothold. I'm more referring to oh say The French subjugating Aragon. A possibility that should haunt us all.
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May 12, 2017 07:07
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The "we won the electoral vote by YUGE amounts" proposal As a merchant I propose we not ditch an important friend in the struggle with France. Just because the Ulema are getting all puritanical doesn't mean we should randomly abandon an important ally at a time when the French threat looms large. the JJ fucked around with this message at 08:53 on May 12, 2017 |
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May 12, 2017 08:36
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the JJ posted:
Can I support this? I want to support this.
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May 12, 2017 10:37
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the JJ posted:
Please don't waste our second action on a nullification.
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May 12, 2017 10:43
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Samovar posted:
As I know lord Samwyiyl al-Samiyyr declared his support for my Motion, despite the rules dictating he was in fact not able to actually vote for it, I implore him to put his vote behind JJ's proposal. I also implore any merchant who aren't willing to see a good ally in the north go to waste to vote for him, as do I ask any Taifa who aren't willing to see it put their vote for me. Finally, I ask our honourable Sultan to see mine and JJ's motions as a single one from two different factions, and count their votes together as votes against the Ulema's crazy puritanical proposal of severing the Celtic alliance.
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May 12, 2017 10:47
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WilliamAnderson posted:Please don't waste our second action on a nullification. "Wasting" a policy is a small price I'd gladly pay if it means we can stop the Ulema's monumentally stupid decision to end our alliance with the Celts. This alliance is perhaps the only thing keeping France in check, and there's no profit to be had in being invaded, pillaged, and occupied.
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May 12, 2017 10:58
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My fellow Majils, there is a really, really big loophole that everyone has missed so far. Beloved Sultan, I draw attention to this now so that you may deem it worthy or ban it as you see fit to do, for future sessions of this chamber.Hashim posted:Policy Restrictions  I, Al-rusim khataan taht-Impy of the Ulama, propose that, should the opportunity arise, we claim for Allah via war of conquest one of the minor infidel nations on our northern border, if doing so will not embroil us in a wider conflict with stronger powers. I would mention to the Faithful amongst the New Taifas that it is currently entirely permissible for them to endorse converting non-muslim polities within our bounds so that we get more willing mujahideen for use in future conflicts. We cannot endorse policies proposed by each other's factions, but...
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AJ_Impy posted:My fellow Majils, there is a really, really big loophole that everyone has missed so far. Beloved Sultan, I draw attention to this now so that you may deem it worthy or ban it as you see fit to do, for future sessions of this chamber. I mean, the New Taifas could propose converting our non-Muslim provinces, just like the League of Merchants could technically declare war on the Christian principalities, but it would kinda defeat the point of joining the faction in the first place, and would likely use up your single policy slot. Still, I'll work something out for the next policy session. Your policy is perfectly viable for now, my fault for not considering it.
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May 12, 2017 13:18
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TildeATH posted:Quiet you, with your superstitious ways! I support this.
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May 12, 2017 13:28
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Voting for the atlantic exploration & colonization proposal.
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Hashim posted:I mean, the New Taifas could propose converting our non-Muslim provinces, just like the League of Merchants could technically declare war on the Christian principalities, but it would kinda defeat the point of joining the faction in the first place, and would likely use up your single policy slot. Dang it, i wish i had thought of that. Anyways, i think it might be better to list only the things a faction can do instead of what they can't, maybe pointing out what they can do at anytime and what they can only do when in power.
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May 12, 2017 17:40
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WilliamAnderson posted:
I support this motion!
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May 12, 2017 17:44
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If people don't like what the Ulama is doing, they're welcome to join us and propose something different.
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May 12, 2017 17:46
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Frionnel posted:Dang it, i wish i had thought of that. Mountaineer posted:If people don't like what the Ulama is doing, they're welcome to join us and propose something different. Fortunately, I did think of it. Lend me your support, and let us solve this, inshallah!
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May 12, 2017 17:49
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Mountaineer posted:If people don't like what the Ulama is doing, they're welcome to join us and propose something different. What the Ulama is doing is a serious mistake, and i wish my father's faction would have better judgment. Be pragmatic! By allying the celts we put christian against christian, and their infighting will be their doom! While if we cut ties now, with no explanation, we encourage the christians to unite against us, all for the possibility of an alliance with an islamic realm. What gain can you see from this, brother?
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May 12, 2017 17:53
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What is the Ulama doing that is bad, I haven't been paying attention.
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GunnerJ posted:What is the Ulama doing that is bad, I haven't been paying attention. They're trying to break our alliance with the Celtic Empire. You know, one of France's major rivals and our best options for leverage against big blue.
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May 12, 2017 18:08
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Not to mention, the Celts were the reason why we didn't get destroyed by France during the most recent war. Breaking the alliance is very bad for us.
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May 12, 2017 18:11
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The only blue I see is the wide open ocean, friendos. eta: lol but for real, that's so dumb.
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Talas posted:Not to mention, the Celts were the reason why we didn't get destroyed by France during the most recent war. Breaking the alliance is very bad for us. I mean, not really, they are the reason we got into the war in first place and they didn't help us fight france's troops. Naval battles won't save you in a land war. Still, blockading France can be useful and i'd rather have them as a deterrent. Better have the british islands on our side and not theirs. And when the english are out of the way, the celts could even land troops on the continent and help. Frionnel fucked around with this message at 18:40 on May 12, 2017 |
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May 12, 2017 18:38
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Merchants, I implore you, use your secondary policy, keep the Frank's contained!
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Far be it for me, who might occasionally indulge in wine and fornication, to speak to the religious education of my Ulema cousins, but you know that Christians are not heathens but rather People of the Book whom we may marry and do business with and, ahem, otherwise engage. So while I understand their small-minded rage at some distant, pasty peoples, I would remind them that there is no theological justification for nullification of our relations. Now, if you'll excuse me, it's Friday, and I need to hurry to the oubliette to lord over its occupants and be done in time for Jummah.
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TildeATH posted:Far be it for me, who might occasionally indulge in wine and fornication, to speak to the religious education of my Ulema cousins, but you know that Christians are not heathens but rather People of the Book whom we may marry and do business with and, ahem, otherwise engage. There is a difference between dhimmi who pay the appropriate Jizya and infidels who see our religion as something to be crusaded against. The former are as you describe, the latter need to be taught the truth of Allah. I agree that breaking the treaty with the Celts is folly at this time, for regardless of who they are, we have given our word before Allah, and we must be true to that above all. I have offered an option for my Ulama brethren to support, I can do no more.
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