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Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Jetrock posted:

Fuckin' electromagnets, how do they work?

Well, you see what you do is just walk up and grab her by her EMALS.

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Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Sad news, friends: The Nuclear Security Administration Lost a Film Titled 'Skull Melting Demonstration'

Doctor Grape Ape
Aug 26, 2005

Dammit Doc, I just bought this for you 3 months ago. Try and keep it around for a bit longer this time.

Video of young GIs losing their poo poo in some kind of Super Duper MK Ultra experiment.

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

No! What will I ever do now if I need to know how to melt a skull? :(

Doctor Grape Ape
Aug 26, 2005

Dammit Doc, I just bought this for you 3 months ago. Try and keep it around for a bit longer this time.
:lol:

Some guy on Fox News just said that a Russian jet that buzzed one of our plane was armed with Surface to Air missiles.

e: that said, they were https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtwJvgPJ9xw

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010

I am stupid

Doctor Grape Ape posted:

:lol:

Some guy on Fox News just said that a Russian jet that buzzed one of our plane was armed with Surface to Air missiles.

e: that said, they were https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtwJvgPJ9xw

Well, the Iranians put HAWK missiles on their F-14s so it's been done before.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Doctor Grape Ape posted:

Video of young GIs losing their poo poo in some kind of Super Duper MK Ultra experiment.

"MEGA-LSD test IV: subjects the subjects have moved beyond tripping balls...in to a new state of inebriation never before recorded by science. We need a new term."

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Larry, let's see the film on blinding techniques, then we'll have some lunch, all right?

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

So I'm about a third of the way through Command and Control, and all this Minuteman talk has me wondering: why the hell there were still fielded Titans with all their hypergolic fuel concerns when Minuteman missiles had been around for a decade or more? Missile Gap fears?

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

*shrug* why were we still fielding pattons in GW1 when Abrams were a thing?

Just because something has been superseded doesn't make it useless. 5 new assets might be better than 5 old assets, but 5 new plus 5 old is better yet and doubly so for expendable munitions.

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

Maybe you're weighing the moral pros and cons but let me assure you that OH MY GOD
SHOOT ME IN THE GODDAMNED FACE
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?!

Cyrano4747 posted:

*shrug* why were we still fielding pattons in GW1 when Abrams were a thing?

Just because something has been superseded doesn't make it useless. 5 new assets might be better than 5 old assets, but 5 new plus 5 old is better yet and doubly so for expendable munitions.

I thought the Pattons in GW1 were Combat Engineering Vehicles and other conversions exclusively?

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

Cyrano4747 posted:

*shrug* why were we still fielding pattons in GW1 when Abrams were a thing?

Just because something has been superseded doesn't make it useless. 5 new assets might be better than 5 old assets, but 5 new plus 5 old is better yet and doubly so for expendable munitions.

Also politics in regards to nuclear forces treaties.

phongn
Oct 21, 2006

PittTheElder posted:

So I'm about a third of the way through Command and Control, and all this Minuteman talk has me wondering: why the hell there were still fielded Titans with all their hypergolic fuel concerns when Minuteman missiles had been around for a decade or more? Missile Gap fears?
Titan could loft large warheads for hard targets. Same reason the SS-18 stuck around.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

Davin Valkri posted:

I thought the Pattons in GW1 were Combat Engineering Vehicles and other conversions exclusively?

No. The M60 was still used by active Marine units and by Army Reserve / NG units.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Davin Valkri posted:

I thought the Pattons in GW1 were Combat Engineering Vehicles and other conversions exclusively?

Nope. Marines had a big armor battle with them. 100 Iraqi tanks lost for 1 Patton.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Because USMC procurement?

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Well I'd argue that that's pretty different, since a Patton won't spontaneously light itself on fire if you accidentally apply a wrench in the wrong spot.

But then this is SAC we're talking about, they seem to have been barely concerned with safety all, perhaps understandable if the job is kill as many people as humanly possible should someone give the word.

phongn posted:

Titan could loft large warheads for hard targets. Same reason the SS-18 stuck around.

Ah now that makes sense, it's throw weight does seem to have been almost twice as much.

PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 18:40 on May 12, 2017

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

priznat posted:

Because USMC procurement?

Israel, Turkey and Egypt still have a ton in active service. They're still being updated too. Production didn't end until 1987 so the export models aren't THAT old.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

Cyrano4747 posted:

Nope. Marines had a big armor battle with them. 100 Iraqi tanks lost for 1 Patton.

They also had a lot of help from the us army but they aren't going to mention that

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

Smiling Jack posted:

No. The M60 was still used by active Marine units and by Army Reserve / NG units.

If I remember right an M60 was what was stolen by a former Army Reservist and driven through the streets of San Diego until he got shot by a cop.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

He hung up on Jersey barrier when trying to drive into oncoming traffic, and the cops climbed on the tank, cut open the commanders hatch and shot him when he refused to surrender and kept trying to free the tank.

There's video, it's pretty intense.

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

Smiling Jack posted:

They also had a lot of help from the us army but they aren't going to mention that

Well, by the 80's the 105mm ammo was good enough to kill something like the T-72A and that's the meanest thing they'd have gone up against. They also had pretty good FCS and sensor suites, so despite having comparatively poor protection to the M1, they were still a pretty capable platform.

The difference in morale, tactics, and training of the crews are why the numbers were so lopsided, though.

LostCosmonaut
Feb 15, 2014

Speaking of videos of missiles set to techno, it's never a bad time to rewatch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msXtgTVMcuA

Edit: Sprint also had a crazier cousin, named Hibex; http://www.astronautix.com/h/hibex.html

quote:

The HIBEX program was part of the Advanced Research Projects Agency's Project Defender, a study of ballistic missile defense systems. HIBEX was designed for low level intercept of entry vehicles below 3 km altitude within 2 seconds of launch. Hibex' neutron-generating warhead would disable the fissile core of the incoming enemy re-entry vehicle. It would also kill all living things within a 5 km radius of detonation. This concept was further developed into the production Sprint missile for close-in anti-ballistic missile defense.

LostCosmonaut fucked around with this message at 23:01 on May 12, 2017

Xerxes17
Feb 17, 2011

Missile videos with hokey electro music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7ssNPxyHp8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wjZJE6uW9Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-AeqspcxiM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzxVL8WoTwo

У КПБ есть вам, фам :ussr:

Edit: Now with soft Jazz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_HgS6b3f6E

Xerxes17 fucked around with this message at 23:37 on May 12, 2017

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Thank gently caress I can always google "Hypersonic music" and find this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FytugI8NQbo

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Speaking of things like the M1 and the M60, this lifelong civilian has always wondered why on Earth the US military insists that all its equipment have the exact same name.

Now I'm sure this is a very old joke, but you can attach your M1 to your M1, put on your M1, jump into an M1 being driven by a guy armed with an M1, and ride off to take control of the territory that's been softened up by the M1s and the M1s. All the while musing that the guy who came up with this naming scheme must have been an alien from M1.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

Powered Descent posted:

Speaking of things like the M1 and the M60, this lifelong civilian has always wondered why on Earth the US military insists that all its equipment have the exact same name.

Now I'm sure this is a very old joke, but you can attach your M1 to your M1, put on your M1, jump into an M1 being driven by a guy armed with an M1, and ride off to take control of the territory that's been softened up by the M1s and the M1s. All the while musing that the guy who came up with this naming scheme must have been an alien from M1.

Because they're all the first model after the revamped they numbering system (previously it was the year the item was adopted - M1903 rifle, M1911 pistol, etc)

Bayonet, Model 1
Rifle, Model 1
Helmet, Model 1
Armored Car, Model 1
Carbine, Model 1
Next fuckin' level tank, Model 1
Mortar, Model 1
Messier Object 1

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

McNally posted:

Bayonet, Model 1
Rifle, Model 1
Helmet, Model 1
Armored Car, Model 1
Carbine, Model 1
Next fuckin' level tank, Model 1
Mortar, Model 1
Messier Object 1

Overheard at a family reunion, "WHY IS EVERYONE HERE NAMED SMITH?!"

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

Warbadger posted:

Well, by the 80's the 105mm ammo was good enough to kill something like the T-72A and that's the meanest thing they'd have gone up against. They also had pretty good FCS and sensor suites, so despite having comparatively poor protection to the M1, they were still a pretty capable platform.

The difference in morale, tactics, and training of the crews are why the numbers were so lopsided, though.

No I mean that the us army was at that battle and had a ton of kills, even more than the Marines

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡
Reading the last few pages of hypersonics there's a bit of a gap in discussion between hypersonic cruise versus ballistic: The current design intent of American hypersonics leads to an oxidizer of ambient air with onboard jet fuel after a boost phase ala Raytheon's HAWC. The idea is that you have a boost phase to around the stratosphere, then the on-board scramjet kicks on intermittently for a boost-glide trajectory. All the while you have some tiny amount of control surface for steering.

I've seen articles in Jane's which describe Russian hypersonics that carry both oxidizer AND fuel on board as "highly maneuverable" and I lol

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

CarForumPoster posted:

Reading the last few pages of hypersonics there's a bit of a gap in discussion between hypersonic cruise versus ballistic: The current design intent of American hypersonics leads to an oxidizer of ambient air with onboard jet fuel after a boost phase ala Raytheon's HAWC. The idea is that you have a boost phase to around the stratosphere, then the on-board scramjet kicks on intermittently for a boost-glide trajectory. All the while you have some tiny amount of control surface for steering.

I've seen articles in Jane's which describe Russian hypersonics that carry both oxidizer AND fuel on board as "highly maneuverable" and I lol

I don't understand...I've been told that Russia has 'tippy-top nuclear' by a high-ranking source that knows them very well. :confused:

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013

priznat posted:

Because USMC procurement?

Because Diego Garcia had a bunch of them stored there on ships.
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=4600&tid=200&ct=4
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/sealift-mps.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/navy/mpsron2.htm

IIRC during Desert Storm the Marines only operated one battalion of M1A1s that had been borrowed from the army and crewed with M60 tankers who'd gone through a rapid familiarization course.

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
Slippery Tilde
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=af4_1494190659

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

mlmp08 posted:

Thank gently caress I can always google "Hypersonic music" and find this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FytugI8NQbo

Well, jeeze, if we're just going to do that:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9gOQgfPW4Y

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Smiling Jack posted:

No I mean that the us army was at that battle and had a ton of kills, even more than the Marines

The marine corps has by far the best PR team in all of the US military. Pretty much all of their hallowed history has either been heavily embellished, not that spectacular when compared to something similar the army did, or outright lies.

Doctor Grape Ape
Aug 26, 2005

Dammit Doc, I just bought this for you 3 months ago. Try and keep it around for a bit longer this time.

Blistex posted:

The marine corps has by far the best PR team in all of the US military. Pretty much all of their hallowed history has either been heavily embellished, not that spectacular when compared to something similar the army did, or outright lies.

Like that time the Marines fought the Lava People and won.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
i've seen footage from that conflict tho

Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

Keep it between the buoys

C.M. Kruger posted:

Because Diego Garcia had a bunch of them stored there on ships.
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=4600&tid=200&ct=4
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/sealift-mps.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/navy/mpsron2.htm

IIRC during Desert Storm the Marines only operated one battalion of M1A1s that had been borrowed from the army and crewed with M60 tankers who'd gone through a rapid familiarization course.

Fun fact: the Roy M. Wheat was built in the Ukraine just prior to the breakup of the Soviet Union. MSC bought her and converted her in the 90s. Her engines are an extremely obscure model of Soviet gas-turbine and the US Navy owns all the remaining examples left in the world. I did a breakout on her once and the engineers used to joke that they had to keep a bust of Lenin in the engine control station or nothing would work right.

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Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

Polikarpov posted:

Her engines are an extremely obscure model of Soviet gas-turbine and the US Navy owns all the remaining examples left in the world.

The irony.

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