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Zaphod42 posted:Yep, but it was 7 points per model. If its free, why wouldn't you? Less granular points means weapons need to be balanced better, which I don't depend upon GW doing well. You get 1/3 the range and the bolters you're comparing them to are rapid fire AP3 weapons. Plus, the warpflamers have that stupid rule where they can give the target FNP if it doesn't kill them. It's definitely not worth 7ppm on a unit that's already expensive and bad in close combat.
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Corrode posted:He could be a sergeant with a power first (which is what the big hands are in-game). I haven't played in years so idk if sergeants can take 2 fist (which under WYSIWYG is what he has) but I doubt anyone would care if you ran him as a sarge with 1. Yeah he's got a power fist and a lightning claw, I would have given him a pistol in place of the power fist, but I didn't have one or the proper arm for it. I almost just put a bolter on and would have said it was a bolt pistol, but it didn't sit on the model very well.
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Munchables posted:Yeah he's got a power fist and a lightning claw, I would have given him a pistol in place of the power fist, but I didn't have one or the proper arm for it. I almost just put a bolter on and would have said it was a bolt pistol, but it didn't sit on the model very well. Unless I'm mistaken both of the arms on that dude are power fists.
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Corrode posted:Unless I'm mistaken both of the arms on that dude are power fists.  Pic's a little blurry but afaik it's a lightning claw, it's listed as one in the booklet the box came with.
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Yeah, I think those are the MKIII claws. The MKIV claws are separate claws you glue to the back of the powerfist. I think Corrode has not seen the new 30k boxsets, or he has not been back long. These look like a call back to the old 25mm based metal lightning claws on the chaos terminators.
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WhiteOutMouse posted:Yeah, I think those are the MKIII claws. The MKIV claws are separate claws you glue to the back of the powerfist. Oh, yeah I should have mentioned it's a 30k box. The head and right shoulder however are from AoS.
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SRM posted:have you tried... gitting gud?? I'm not really into "trying" as a concept. Part of why I'm so bad at this is obviously that I get ripshit on boxed wine during games, but also because I build my lists off of only painted models, and I paint slow as poo poo, so I'm stuck with the same garbage-dick core units that keep getting creamed game after game. I'll add a couple new units (contemptor and melta command squad this time, a jumppack assault squad a few games back, etc) to augment it, and they just get murdered without doing anything because anything I'm ever excited about is obviously cursed and god is dead.
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ANAmal.net posted:I'm not really into "trying" as a concept. Have you been reading my diary?
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So I picked up some Space Wolves with my voucher. I forgot how mediocre some of the bare heads are, but I want to model things fluffy with helmets being a minority. Does anyone have any reccomendations on any appropriately Nordic looking head swaps? (Seriously, who the gently caress went "Vikings in space, what they need is the weirdest and dumbest looking hairstyles ever. No beards though. Facial hair is hairesy.")
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jadebullet posted:Does anyone have any reccomendations on any appropriately Nordic looking head swaps? Chaos Marauder heads I think is a good start at least. And
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Munchables posted:Howdy folks, been workin on my current models, but because my sergeant is in stripping limbo I made this guy, but idk what to do with him. Would he be eligible as a sergeant or would he have to be a terminator or captain or something? This guy looks like a cyberman straight out of Doctor Who.
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ANAmal.net posted:I build my lists off of only painted models, and I paint slow as poo poo, so I'm stuck with the same garbage-dick core units that keep getting creamed game after game. 
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ANAmal.net posted:I'm not really into "trying" as a concept. A friend of mine gets his jollies by destroying whatever the rest of us have newly built and lovingly painted up as soon as  Mega Dread and Meka Dread.
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Artum posted:It makes sense that you don't see too many of them given the only way to get them is email some russians and pay directly through paypal.
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Proletariat Beowulf posted:A friend of mine gets his jollies by destroying whatever the rest of us have newly built and lovingly painted up as soon as I usually try to kill my opponents favorite model every game- the one they clearly spent the most time and effort on.
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May 12, 2017 15:06
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berzerkmonkey posted:Which I have no problem with. What is he charging? 1680rub per pack of 5 and 400rub standard shipping for 1-2 packs.
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Artum posted:1680rub per pack of 5 and 400rub standard shipping for 1-2 packs. Thanks. That's not a bad price for what looks like very good quality.
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May 12, 2017 15:09
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tallkidwithglasses posted:I usually try to kill my opponents favorite model every game- the one they clearly spent the most time and effort on. Doesn't everybody do this?
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May 12, 2017 15:20
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Points are up! https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/12/new-warhammer-40000-points-power-levels-may12gw-homepage-post-4/
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quote:Power Levels are a great way to very quickly get a roughly balanced game organised and started, but they do not account for the various wargear options and upgrades a unit can have. For this level of granularity, you have points. These will be just as detailed as they are now, right down to points for individual weapon upgrades on every squad member. For example, a Tactical Marine Squad of five models is Power Level 5, but in a matched play game, each of those Tactical Marines would cost 13 points each, with upgrades ranging from a grav-pistol for the Sergeant at 7 pts, all the way up to multi-meltas at 27 pts. The full squad totals up at a similar number of points to what it costs today. With faster play times for most games, we’re expecting matched play games of a couple of hours to sit around the 2,000 points mark. As expected, points for wargear aren't going away. They're just moved to another part of the book
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tallkidwithglasses posted:I usually try to kill my opponents favorite model every game- the one they clearly spent the most time and effort on. The only real fun I had playing Apocalypse was when one guy had been talking up his Stompa and how much of our stuff it was going to kill for days in advance. Come turn one, one of the other players drop podded in a single sternguard squad who managed to off it in a single volley of combimelta fire. He got a lot quieter after that.
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Nice. - Points are back (obviously) - Summoned units cost points, but you don't have to specify which units--your summoned units just eat from the pool of points you set aside - Summoning is apparently different from deep striking or outflanking (cool) - Points aren't on datasheets but show up elsewhere in the same book - Points can/will change to balance the game - Marines are 13 points, grav-pistols are 7, multi-meltas are 27 - 2k point games expected to take 2 hours (I will believe this when I see it) TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 15:42 on May 12, 2017 |
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To be fair they said 2000 pts will take "A couple of hours" which could mean 2 in a literal sense but I rarely hear anyone mean it that way
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May 12, 2017 15:44
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Interesting, points look to be more granular, 7 and 27 means not everything is in 5 point increments like you commonly see now. And yes I know some armies have that now but for the imperium it's mostly 5 point steps.
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RagnarokAngel posted:As expected, points for wargear aren't going away. They're just moved to another part of the book Hopefully it will all be on one easy to reference sheet, otherwise it's going to add to the pile of paperwork you'll need to carry to a game. AoS (so far) has points for a unit, whether it has x or y, so you don't have to worry about anything outside of the warscroll.
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RagnarokAngel posted:To be fair they said 2000 pts will take "A couple of hours" which could mean 2 in a literal sense but I rarely hear anyone mean it that way Earlier they said a 1500 pts game would take about an hour and a half though so 2000 taking 2 hours would check out. I hope it is like this, if the game played that fast it might fill a niche in my game collection again other than "it's the only thing I can get someone to play with me".
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berzerkmonkey posted:Hopefully it will all be on one easy to reference sheet, otherwise it's going to add to the pile of paperwork you'll need to carry to a game. AoS (so far) has points for a unit, whether it has x or y, so you don't have to worry about anything outside of the warscroll. Unless I'm missing something, it seems like where they are in the book doesn't change the size of the pile of paperwork?
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I like this and I like 8th edition
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I mean, 7th already has points in multiple places, with some costs being on the datasheet and some being in the armory.
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TheChirurgeon posted:Unless I'm missing something, it seems like where they are in the book doesn't change the size of the pile of paperwork? If you're just printing them out and not buying the initial books (of you've got ebook versions.) My concern has less to do with paper, and more to do with "that guy" who shows up with the datasheet but not the weapons points sheet, and you have to take him at his word that he really has 2000 points. chutche2 posted:I mean, 7th already has points in multiple places, with some costs being on the datasheet and some being in the armory. It's a minor quibble though.
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RagnarokAngel posted:To be fair they said 2000 pts will take "A couple of hours" which could mean 2 in a literal sense but I rarely hear anyone mean it that way IIRC they said early on in previews they wanted the average game to be done in two hours. Also grats on gear upgrade cost and ala carte model buy still being in game. 😃
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berzerkmonkey posted:If you're just printing them out and not buying the initial books (of you've got ebook versions.) Ah, fair. I mean I don't see how that's much different from just using a Battlescribe list as your rules, but fair. Geoff Zahn posted:I like this and I like 8th edition Same. I remain skeptical of the 2k points/2 hours thing, but I really *want* it to be true
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TheChirurgeon posted:Ah, fair.
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Man, I am loving the new art in these. That being said, what the gently caress is up with the Ogryn in the Tau assault picture. He is loving gigantic. Like, 20ft gigantic. I know the marine is squatting, but he is in the foreground and the Ogryn's head is as big as the Marines torso.
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DO IT TO IT posted:I wonder if Tervigon spawning will count as summoning and require points to be set aside like this. I could see units like the Tervigon having a special rule that gets them around the summoning restrictions Or they could totally change its functionality Or it will be useless
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jadebullet posted:Man, I am loving the new art in these. That's a bit poo poo, but I love the battlesuit stomping the space marine biker into the dirt.
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I don't like uniform weapon pricing. A heavy weapon on a BS4 platform is worth more than it is on a BS3 platform. This is even more important on melee weapons where you also have different strength and number of attacks.
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Master Twig posted:I don't like uniform weapon pricing. A heavy weapon on a BS4 platform is worth more than it is on a BS3 platform. Ok, sure. ...why do you think we're going to have uniform weapon pricing?
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