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Skippy Granola posted:Ha ha wow man. The cartoon seemed to refer to whitewashing in the racial sense. Thus the Japanese or East Asian equivalent of whitewashing. Also, keep in mind that Hollywood does its thing because they believe it would be most profitable that way, so it isn't necessarily relevant that there are actors of all kinds of backgrounds available.
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Kirschen's self-insert has died and gone to hell! wait what quote:Our one-day holiday of Lag Ba'Omer will begin tomorrow night, with the end of Shabbat (May 13). It is celebrated with bonfires and kids playing with bows and arrows. 
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May 12, 2017 20:10
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Kopijeger posted:The cartoon seemed to refer to whitewashing in the racial sense. Thus the Japanese or East Asian equivalent of whitewashing. Also, keep in mind that Hollywood does its thing because they believe it would be most profitable that way, so it isn't necessarily relevant that there are actors of all kinds of backgrounds available. Still pretty racist, IMO. Hell, look at all the movies that follow the "White guy goes to Asia and invents bushido/becomes the living embodiment of true ninja/samurai/gundam honor." format. Using profits as an excuse doesn't really go far.
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May 12, 2017 20:11
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Kopijeger posted:The cartoon seemed to refer to whitewashing in the racial sense. Thus the Japanese or East Asian equivalent of whitewashing. Also, keep in mind that Hollywood does its thing because they believe it would be most profitable that way, so it isn't necessarily relevant that there are actors of all kinds of backgrounds available. referring to asians as yellow is uh. not a good thing
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May 12, 2017 20:11
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the_steve posted:Still pretty racist, IMO. Iron Fist springs to mind.
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May 12, 2017 20:12
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mandatory lesbian posted:referring to asians as yellow is uh. not a good thing Then referring to people as white or black or brown is not a good thing either.
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May 12, 2017 20:20
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Kopijeger posted:The cartoon seemed to refer to whitewashing in the racial sense. Thus the Japanese or East Asian equivalent of whitewashing. Also, keep in mind that Hollywood does its thing because they believe it would be most profitable that way, so it isn't necessarily relevant that there are actors of all kinds of backgrounds available. They don't do this racist thing because they're racist, just because it makes money.
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May 12, 2017 20:22
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Kopijeger posted:The cartoon seemed to refer to whitewashing in the racial sense. Thus the Japanese or East Asian equivalent of whitewashing. Also, keep in mind that Hollywood does its thing because they believe it would be most profitable that way, so it isn't necessarily relevant that there are actors of all kinds of backgrounds available. oh well if it's profitable then that's okay then
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May 12, 2017 20:22
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Two things happened. A bad comic. The coke button. 
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May 12, 2017 20:25
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Kopijeger posted:Then referring to people as white or black or brown is not a good thing either. i want you to think about how many black people you know who call themselves black vs how many asian people you know call themselves yellow i think you'll find a significant difference
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May 12, 2017 20:27
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Mr. Squishy posted:They don't do this racist thing because they're racist, just because it makes money. Oh, they are probably plenty racist, but money is most likely the primary concern.
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May 12, 2017 20:28
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mandatory lesbian posted:referring to asians as yellow is uh. not a good thing Asianwashing just sounds so wrong though! Orientalwashing? Probably worse... hmm... maybe quippy one-word descriptions of phenomena aren't the way to go?
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May 12, 2017 20:28
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Kopijeger posted:Oh, they are probably plenty racist, but money is most likely the primary concern. Think about how being racist would impact their perception of what's likely to make money.
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May 12, 2017 20:29
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mandatory lesbian posted:i want you to think about how many black people you know who call themselves black vs how many asian people you know call themselves yellow What would be a suitable term for casting East Asian actors as non-Asian characters?
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Avenging_Mikon posted:hmm... maybe quippy one-word descriptions of phenomena aren't the way to go? I think this might be the least-popular opinion of all time
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May 12, 2017 20:30
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Kopijeger posted:What would be a suitable term for casting East Asian actors as non-Asian characters? is there a reason why you think this needs a term in the first place?
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May 12, 2017 20:31
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Kopijeger posted:What would be a suitable term for casting East Asian actors as non-Asian characters? How about "Japanese Actors playing fictional characters?" Madness lies down this road, my hole-digging friend.
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May 12, 2017 20:33
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mandatory lesbian posted:is there a reason why you think this needs a term in the first place? Let's say it is because "whitewashing" is an established term for casting "white" actors as "non-white" characters. What would be equivalent in a country where the majority of the population is not considered "white" be?
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May 12, 2017 20:34
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Kopijeger posted:Let's say it is because "whitewashing" is an established term for casting "white" actors as "non-white" characters. What would be equivalent in a country where the majority of the population is not considered "white" be? On a scale of 1-to-DASGDC, how mad does this image make you?
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May 12, 2017 20:41
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Kopijeger posted:Let's say it is because "whitewashing" is an established term for casting "white" actors as "non-white" characters. What would be equivalent in a country where the majority of the population is not considered "white" be? That's not a reason. Please refer to my previous post that not all concepts require a one-word soundbite. The reason people talk about "whitewashing" is because it has a significant impact on representation of ethnicities when white actors get roles of non-white characters. White people don't have a problem in being underrepresented, even in countries where they're not the majority.
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May 12, 2017 20:41
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Kopijeger posted:Let's say it is because "whitewashing" is an established term for casting "white" actors as "non-white" characters. What would be equivalent in a country where the majority of the population is not considered "white" be? One of the reasons 'whitewashing' got established is because there is a substance called whitewash, so it's a pun. No-one in America uses the term 'blackwash' - it just doesn't make sense. You're trying to shoehorn in a new word and you're using a racist term ("yellow") to do it. So it's bad for two reasons: racism and bad English. You're just going to have to be satisfied with using more words like 'Japanese actors playing Western characters'.
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May 12, 2017 20:43
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If you're hung up on why "white" is okay but not "yellow", consider the fact that privileged people chose to call themselves white and the non-privileged groups didn't get a say in what they were called.
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May 12, 2017 20:43
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Kopijeger posted:On the other hand, what do you expect when a story is adapted in another country? I'm more upset by the title being in English (instead of translated to Japanese, or original in French) than by the characters changing ethnicity and gender.
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May 12, 2017 20:45
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I hope you all calm down before we make it to page 420 Can't have you harshing my buzz.
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May 12, 2017 20:45
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Kopijeger posted:The cartoon seemed to refer to whitewashing in the racial sense. Thus the Japanese or East Asian equivalent of whitewashing. Also, keep in mind that Hollywood does its thing because they believe it would be most profitable that way, so it isn't necessarily relevant that there are actors of all kinds of backgrounds available. Profiting off the enabling of racism is as bad if not worse than genuinely being racist. In fact that's what Get Out is about.
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May 12, 2017 20:52
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Kopijeger posted:Let's say it is because "whitewashing" is an established term for casting "white" actors as "non-white" characters. What would be equivalent in a country where the majority of the population is not considered "white" be? there is no equivalent, and there doesn't need to be one
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May 12, 2017 20:53
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Zanzibar Ham posted:On a scale of 1-to-DASGDC, how mad does this image make you? Why assume that commenting on the fact that something happens makes you mad about it? Have no particular opinion on it. Starshark posted:One of the reasons 'whitewashing' got established is because there is a substance called whitewash, so it's a pun. No-one in America uses the term 'blackwash' - it just doesn't make sense. You're trying to shoehorn in a new word and you're using a racist term ("yellow") to do it. So it's bad for two reasons: racism and bad English. You're just going to have to be satisfied with using more words like 'Japanese actors playing Western characters'. Eh, it was meant as shorthand for this thing the Japanese do. Not sure if there is a term for it used in that country. ThePeavstenator posted:If you're hung up on why "white" is okay but not "yellow", consider the fact that privileged people chose to call themselves white and the non-privileged groups didn't get a say in what they were called. If I'm hung up on anything, it is the more the fact that people bother to criticise Hollywood for doing something that happens in all human societies (casting local actors in plots adapted from other countries). It seems silly when you know they'll do whatever it takes to maximise profits and when it is easier than ever to watch movies or tv shows from other countries instead.
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May 12, 2017 21:04
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Kopijeger posted:people bother to criticise Hollywood for doing something that happens in all human societies (casting local actors in plots adapted from other countries). this just in, hollywood only has white people in it
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Kopijeger, I'm not really sure what point you're actually trying to argue, but it isn't going very well and I'd like to give you this opportunity to just kinda bail out now so we can move on
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May 12, 2017 21:11
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Zanzibar Ham posted:On a scale of 1-to-DASGDC, how mad does this image make you? Wanna eat that yellow snow.
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mandatory lesbian posted:this just in, hollywood only has white people in it And Will Smith.
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May 12, 2017 21:12
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mandatory lesbian posted:there is no equivalent, and there doesn't need to be one This is the correct answer on this whole topic, which was a bad derail founded on a racist word for a false equivalency. It's not a thing and it doesn't need a word describe it, least of all that one, and doubling down it by literally saying "well then the word white is also racist," yikes.
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Kopijeger posted:If I'm hung up on anything, it is the more the fact that people bother to criticise Hollywood for doing something that happens in all human societies (casting local actors in plots adapted from other countries). It seems silly when you know they'll do whatever it takes to maximise profits and when it is easier than ever to watch movies or tv shows from other countries instead. Dude, it's not like the US is some lily-white monoculture. There's plenty of actors of every imaginable ethnicity that you could cast to match the source material. EDIT: Also you're ascribing Hollywood some kind of beep boop rationality when it comes to maximizing profits that just isn't there. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 21:22 on May 12, 2017 |
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America = Supposed to be multicultural, ergo they should be exporting that visibility, see using appropriate actors when it calls for it. Representation is important in a multicultural setting because it equates to visibility. Japan = Not multicultural, they don't require the same type of visibility internally because they don't have the same multicultural makeup.
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May 12, 2017 21:26
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Japan needs greater representation of its Ainu minority.
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Syfe posted:America = Supposed to be multicultural, ergo they should be exporting that visibility, see using appropriate actors when it calls for it. Representation is important in a multicultural setting because it equates to visibility. This really implies Japan doesn't have problems with racism or dealing with other cultures, which oh boy howdy does it ever. Not to say that I'm mad about them casting asians in roles written for other races, that's totally fine. But just take a look at all the blackface characters in anime or the shocking things they did to the supposedly inferior Chinese in WWII. Scatsby fucked around with this message at 21:31 on May 12, 2017 |
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:I hope you all calm down before we make it to page 420 Don't you buzz enough already, Waspy?
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Kopijeger posted:Why assume that commenting on the fact that something happens makes you mad about it? Have no particular opinion on it. Hmm yes, this is quite a good hill on which to die.
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Emasculator posted:This really implies Japan doesn't have problems with racism or dealing with other cultures, which oh boy howdy does it ever. Oh it does, but I'll say that my take on it was more on how a country represents itself outwardly. Japan arguably does not sell itself as a multicultural place, definitely part of why there is racism there because they by in large acknowledge the single culture of being Japanese, I didn't say it wasn't problematic. The US however is multicultural, it's make-up is diverse enough that those roles should be going to race appropriate actors. Part of the problem with the US right now is that some people seem to see that as in contention, some people believe the US is a white country, it is not. Ergo, whitewashing.
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