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Poltergrift posted:Father with adopted daughter, formerly the daughter of a woman of his acquaintance, now dead, for whom he quit his former government career, sheltering her from the world, only for her to be drawn into a rebellion by an idealistic young man -- Sojiro's Persona is definitely Valjean, right? Now I want to hear Jamieson Price singing. "Who art thou? Who art I? I'm Jean Valjean!"
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Controversial Goro Hot Take: Right before fighting Shadow Sae, Goro puts his hand on Makoto's shoulder and says "You'll save her, yeah?" and I think that's cute and maybe the most sincere Goro ever is
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May 12, 2017 23:09
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the most sincere goro is ever is when he says 'did i hear something about delicious pancakes'
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May 12, 2017 23:14
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The most sincere Goro ever gets is when he's like 'ahhh i'm dying the other me shot me ahhh' and then he dies.
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May 12, 2017 23:15
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okay yeah, second then. he was really excited to talk about pancakes. lmao that goro's only avenue for social interaction, food, is what destroys him in the end. pancakes betray him
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May 12, 2017 23:16
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The most sincere Goro gets is when he calls the Phantom Thieves pieces of poo poo
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May 12, 2017 23:16
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Endorph posted:the most sincere goro is ever is when he says 'did i hear something about delicious pancakes' I bet Goro doesn't even like pancakes, the little sycophant Bogart posted:The most sincere Goro ever gets is when he's like 'ahhh i'm dying the other me shot me ahhh' and then he dies. Definitely this
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May 12, 2017 23:17
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Moltrey posted:Controversial Goro Hot Take: Right before fighting Shadow Sae, Goro puts his hand on Makoto's shoulder and says "You'll save her, yeah?" and I think that's cute and maybe the most sincere Goro ever is I thought the most sincere part was "I was an orphan and grew up in foster homes" during our 2nd meeting at LeBlanc. It was an intense moment since I'm sure Akira forgot who he was until weeks later when he blackmailed our friends and cat. Justice Confident: So many missed opportunities.
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May 12, 2017 23:18
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He doesn't say a thing after the shots go off don't lie to me.Moltrey posted:Controversial Goro Hot Take: Right before fighting Shadow Sae, Goro puts his hand on Makoto's shoulder and says "You'll save her, yeah?" and I think that's cute and maybe the most sincere Goro ever is He was going to kill her later so I don't think that's true. Boy definitely loves pancakes though, maybe just as a conversation topic. But he still loves them.
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May 12, 2017 23:19
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multijoe posted:I bet Goro doesn't even like pancakes, the little sycophant
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May 12, 2017 23:20
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The Justice Confidant was good and its main problem is how the last 2 rank ups don't make sense. Everything else though is solid.
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May 12, 2017 23:20
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Moltrey posted:what the gently caress He also says he likes justice and spicy food. Lies.
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May 12, 2017 23:21
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SyntheticPolygon posted:The Justice Confidant was good and its main problem is how the last 2 rank ups don't make sense. Everything else though is solid. I don't know what you possibly mean there, it totally makes sense for Joker to think "hm he's dead I feel closer to him than ever before" DING RANK 10
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May 12, 2017 23:23
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SyntheticPolygon posted:He was going to kill her later so I don't think that's true. I like that Makoto just tosses out after Joker's "suicide" that "Yeah, Akechi and I had a little rivalry", like it was a silly little competition they had
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May 12, 2017 23:23
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Moltrey posted:Goro has such a warped experience with social interactions and viewing people, that I can get behind he wants to support the two people in the world that he can sort of talk to that aren't Joker, even if he is going to kill one, maybe both of them, at some point. I legitimately think that Sae was like the 2nd closest acquaintance he had to a friend, but all throughout Sae's palace he is just so obviously over-dramatically reacting to everything Shadow Sae does that I can't take anything he says regarding her as sincere. Like, whenever more stuff about Sae is revealed he'll go on a spiel about how he can't believe the person he respected so much has fallen so far, and it's his fault because he should've noticed sooner. Like, seriously dude you're being the least sincere person right now, no wonder everyone can see through you. Though yeah in general, Akechi's relationship with the Niijima's is interesting and should've had more of an involvement in things following the reveal.
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May 12, 2017 23:28
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Coughing Hobo posted:I don't know what you possibly mean there, it totally makes sense for Joker to think "hm he's dead I feel closer to him than ever before" DING RANK 10 Oh wait that one made sense, ranks 9 and 8 were the ones that didn't.
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May 12, 2017 23:28
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SyntheticPolygon posted:The Justice Confidant was good and its main problem is how the last 2 rank ups don't make sense. Everything else though is solid. Perhaps, something was lost in translation? I didn't understand how our ideals became one since Goro still hated our guts until the last moment. He never goes "I made a grave error" the game just decided to dropkick his arc into the abyss after 7th palace. Justice Confidant felt insufficient because we met approx 5x and for the most part it just him stalking us at the train station. Also, I like Goro but the time where he's like "You should talk to me about Phantom Thieves and I could teach you deduction skills" came off as a veiled threat because plot-wise we never interacted until this moment.
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May 12, 2017 23:29
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Oh wait that one made sense, ranks 9 and 8 were the ones that didn't. What made the least sense to me was the rank up from interacting with, like, cognitive Akechi in the metaverse interrogation room????????
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May 12, 2017 23:33
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Alder posted:Perhaps, something was lost in translation? I didn't understand how our ideals became one since Goro still hated our guts until the last moment. He never goes "I made a grave error" the game just decided to dropkick his arc into the abyss after 7th palace. He totally does though! He has the whole "If I only I had met you sooner...." thing, which is super obviously him figuring out that he's in the wrong here and that the team are good people who have it right. Which is why shoots the door down so you guys don't need to deal with cognitive Akechi and his crazy shadows (even if you probably could have taken them). Akechi doesn't really apologise for anything, likely because he "dies" tbf, but he definitely has a moment of "oh, you're the good guys in the end". The Justice Confidant is funny because Akechi acts overly-familiar and talks about his tragic past despite not even knowing you, but that's like legitimately his character so I don't think it's a problem of the link. He has 0 bonds with anyone, he doesn't interact with people on a sincere level, and never grew up emotionally. Of course the dude is just the worst at talking to you and making friends like a regular human being. So I think it's sorta appropriate if you're kinda weirded out by how he interacts with you, even if I think you're supposed to pass it off as the guy just being way too overly polite and familiar.
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May 12, 2017 23:37
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I legitimately think that Sae was like the 2nd closest acquaintance he had to a friend, but all throughout Sae's palace he is just so obviously over-dramatically reacting to everything Shadow Sae does that I can't take anything he says regarding her as sincere. Like, whenever more stuff about Sae is revealed he'll go on a spiel about how he can't believe the person he respected so much has fallen so far, and it's his fault because he should've noticed sooner. and yeah the Nijimas are really the closest connection we have to Goro and I thought the scene with Makoto and Goro at practice exams was super rad and was really hoping for more. Still dying to see what an updated re-release does with his whole arc, if anything
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May 12, 2017 23:38
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Coughing Hobo posted:What made the least sense to me was the rank up from interacting with, like, cognitive Akechi in the metaverse interrogation room???????? It's a very real Akechi, but he's interacting with a very fake Joker. So you get a rank up without even being there! It's the silliest thing.
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May 12, 2017 23:39
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Coughing Hobo posted:What made the least sense to me was the rank up from interacting with, like, cognitive Akechi in the metaverse interrogation room????????
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May 12, 2017 23:41
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SyntheticPolygon posted:He totally does though! He has the whole "If I only I had met you sooner...." thing, which is super obviously him figuring out that he's in the wrong here and that the team are good people who have it right. Which is why shoots the door down so you guys don't need to deal with cognitive Akechi and his crazy shadows (even if you probably could have taken them). Akechi doesn't really apologise for anything, likely because he "dies" tbf, but he definitely has a moment of "oh, you're the good guys in the end". I feel sad now that you mention it since he monologues so long during the entire battle and I was kinda tired after rushing 4 bosses. Akechi could've benefited like 1:1 Memento trips like Yusuke's SL where he slowly realized their pasts were similar instead of info-dumping in the 13th hour. I don't mind his politeness since it's JAPAN but he comes off oversharing since his entire deal was trying to be the 2nd Detective Prince but then reveals he's had a broken childhood to complete cafe strangers. Alright, I'll just contribute him suffering from no social skills yet he's able to fool adults/fans for that long? Akechi Goro: A Study of Contradictions
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May 12, 2017 23:49
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Moltrey posted:Goro is so loving starved for friends that really anything makes you closer. "Please leave" *I feel our bond is growing stronger...*
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May 12, 2017 23:49
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Moltrey posted:Goro is so loving starved for friends that really anything makes you closer. He's basically a less sympathetic Mishima.
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May 12, 2017 23:57
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Yeah, he's a Mishima who bought a real gun and started actually shooting people.
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May 12, 2017 23:59
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SyntheticPolygon posted:It's a very real Akechi, but he's interacting with a very fake Joker. So you get a rank up without even being there! It's the silliest thing. I love that Morgana's like "So Akechi was interacting with cognitive Joker, but you feel a closer connection with him somehow? That's strange" (RANK UP!)
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May 12, 2017 23:59
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And to think stealing Haru's takoyaki was only the second meanest thing he did to her. I am so making his rear end sit in the confessional all month in November.
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NRVNQSR posted:He's basically a less sympathetic Mishima. Rude. Akechi is still more likable than Mishima and multi-faceted just poor writing affected his story arc. See: Link to my 30-page thesis on the motivations of a minor villain in Persona 5
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May 13, 2017 00:23
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dragon_pamcake posted:And to think stealing Haru's takoyaki was only the second meanest thing he did to her. By Killing Mr. Okumura.
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May 13, 2017 00:36
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Moltrey posted:Goro Did Nothing Wrong If he had failed to kill Okumura then the villains plot would have been over in October as Okumura would have the pull needed to ensure that the entire conspiracy goes down with him
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May 13, 2017 00:40
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okumura is literally just tanaka except there wasn't a blue haired boy to make him realize that doing nice things with his money is actually a better business deal after all, he has the exact same sappy backstory
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May 13, 2017 00:46
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Okumura's my least favourite villain in the game.
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May 13, 2017 00:47
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I kind of like him. As in the game never asks you to feel sorry for him until he dies horribly and his backstory does a decent job to explain why he became such a lovely person.
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May 13, 2017 00:52
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Okumura's my least favourite villain in the game. What about eggman? Hunt11 posted:I kind of like him. As in the game never asks you to feel sorry for him until he dies horribly and his backstory does a decent job to explain why he became such a lovely person. I hated his palace but felt bad about his death since it was broadcasted live and we were celebrating in Disneyland.
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May 13, 2017 01:09
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Okumura was fine with selling off his daughter to a guy who saw her as a sex object to further his career so im glad Goro iced that fool
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May 13, 2017 01:10
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Moltrey posted:Okumura was fine with selling off his daughter to a guy who saw her as a sex object to further his career so im glad Goro iced that fool We stole his heart and I'm sure Okumura would've revamped his entire company along with canceling Haru's engagement if he had lived.
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May 13, 2017 01:11
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Alder posted:We stole his heart and I'm sure Okumura would've revamped his entire company along with canceling Haru's engagement if he had lived. Like that's a hard thing for Haru live with hearing a version of your own father say, even if he admits he crimes, gently caress that guy
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May 13, 2017 01:16
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Moltrey posted:Guilt and apology are really worth beach sand after that conversation between Shadow Okumura and Cognitive Fiance where he says Haru is worthless to him if she rebels and that he'll give Haru away for nothing just for how much he hates her Good point  I still need to max her SL in NG+ but I'm conflicted since now Haru is an orphan along with Yusuke albeit extremely wealthy.
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Alder posted:Good point
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