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Yeah, bman's right. It's possible for murderous witches and massive sadists to both be bad. Hard as that is to believe.Cyouni posted:I'm not exactly sure what that makes Sakutarou. This update implies that he's a mass-produced toy beforehand, but the red That is a special stuffed animal! Made by Rosa for her daughter's birthday, and in the entire world, the only- suggests otherwise. It could be that Rosa made him, and then mass-produced him afterwards, or it could be the opposite, that she purchased him, and the interpretation of Knox's 9th possibly allows for that red to be true. Either way, it's not really something that hasn't been guessed. I think Sakutarou has to be mass produced in some sense. I'm pretty sure that that's how Ange beat Beato at end end of the 4th (3rd?) episode. We never get the end of that sentence, there are many ways that the final bit could lead to a reinterpretation of the first half. I mean, the implication is that the last word was going to be "one". But it doesn't have to be. The "made by" bit is tricky to dodge though.
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I dont think its a spoiler to let you guys know that we Witches still debate the specifics of what happened with Sakutaro to this day.
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CottonWolf posted:I think Sakutarou has to be mass produced in some sense. I'm pretty sure that that's how Ange beat Beato at end end of the 4th (3rd?) episode. We never get the end of that sentence, there are many ways that the final bit could lead to a reinterpretation of the first half. I mean, the implication is that the last word was going to be "one". But it doesn't have to be. The "made by" bit is tricky to dodge though. My main thought regarding that is if Knox's 9th can be used on red as well, that's going to get troublesome. From our other example (Battler's mother), I'm pretty sure that the red starts cutting out a short bit before it would turn into a falsehood.`Assuming the spots they cut out are analogous, we can presume that the two sections before (mainly the Made by Rosa for her daughter's birthday) are true. I'm pretty sure I've listed the primary two ways that can be interpreted. Alternately, we can call Knox's 9th on Ange's statement, and simply say that it was her interpretation that it was a mass-produced animal. So we can say that the mass-production came after Rosa made it for Maria, and our red still holds true in the literal sense. That would be a lot easier. I'm going to have to consider each red statement as possibly distorted through Knox's 9th, aren't I?
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Wint is magic. lotus circle posted:
Ah, I see that Erika is indulging in the old mystery genre tradition of making GBS threads on every one's sentimental values and crushing them like the worthless trash they are. (Sherlock Holmes was kind of a jerk  )This gameboard is truly a confession with all the hints the two Beatrices are dropping. Can't wait to see what Kumasawa aka Silver Beatrice has to say about the past.
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As has been said, the specifics of Sakutarou are still up for debate. Personally I go with the idea that the stuffed lion toy was mass-produced but that Sakutarou the character was invented by Rosa to make the random toy she grabbed more meaningful.
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Cyouni posted:My main thought regarding that is if Knox's 9th can be used on red as well, that's going to get troublesome. If everything up to the bit where it could no longer be stated is true, that's interesting. But yeah, if we're taking that restriction we're left with either Rosa made more than one or Knox's 9th. I don't think Knox's 9th makes sense as an argument though, because otherwise a red truth never disproves anything, given that the existence of Knox's 9th renders red truths themselves inherently subjective. Unless that's the gold/red distinction. Red truths are subjective truths and gold truths are objective. But yeah, if we're assume that everything Beato did manage to say before is true, I agree that we're only really left with "Rosa made more than one" as a solution. If that's the case, it also makes Battler's parentage considerably less ambiguous, as he managed to say that he was born from an Ushiromiya, which leaves Kyrie, Eva or Rosa as his mother. ProfessorProf posted:
Presented without comment. E: Hidingo Kojimba posted:As has been said, the specifics of Sakutarou are still up for debate. Personally I go with the idea that the stuffed lion toy was mass-produced but that Sakutarou the character was invented by Rosa to make the random toy she grabbed more meaningful. That's clever. I'm not sure made is the verb I'd go with in that sentence (which actually probably makes it even better as a red text word), but it's a good way of getting around it. E2: Actually red as subjective truth doesn't make sense, given the Battler example. He believed that Asumu was his mother and still couldn't say it. CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 17:14 on May 12, 2017 |
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Hidingo Kojimba posted:As has been said, the specifics of Sakutarou are still up for debate. Personally I go with the idea that the stuffed lion toy was mass-produced but that Sakutarou the character was invented by Rosa to make the random toy she grabbed more meaningful.
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EP8 manga confirmed Sakutaro's origins, I dunno what debate there is still left.
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Hidingo Kojimba posted:As has been said, the specifics of Sakutarou are still up for debate. Personally I go with the idea that the stuffed lion toy was mass-produced but that Sakutarou the character was invented by Rosa to make the random toy she grabbed more meaningful. CottonWolf posted:If everything up to the bit where it could no longer be stated is true, that's interesting. But yeah, if we're taking that restriction we're left with either Rosa made more than one or Knox's 9th. I don't think Knox's 9th makes sense as an argument though, because otherwise a red truth never disproves anything, given that the existence of Knox's 9th renders red truths themselves inherently subjective. Unless that's the gold/red distinction. Red truths are subjective truths and gold truths are objective. But yeah, if we're assume that everything Beato did manage to say before is true, I agree that we're only really left with "Rosa made more than one" as a solution. That's a good point that Battler couldn't say "it was from Ushiromiya Asumu that I was born" even though he believed it. Fortunately, that means that "subjective red" shouldn't be possible. TheArchimage posted:I was personally thinking of a Build-A-Bear situation where it's a cheap mass-produced kit to create a stuffed animal that Rosa purchased and put together (possibly on the plane/train ride home) as a last-minute gift. This would explain both its shoddy craftsmanship and why Maria never found another quite like it even though it was obviously possible for Ange to supply an exact duplicate. That seems to satisfy both halves of the red, though whatever the secondary clue is, it's in a display case in the futon store that the boat captain to Rokkenjima lived in and apparently nowhere else that Ange's seen.
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tiistai posted:EP8 manga confirmed Sakutaro's origins, I dunno what debate there is still left. Yeah, but the EP8 manga is bullshit for reasons (admittedly mostly emotional) that I won't get into here.
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Rosa runs her own sewing and design company right? There's a chance that's her company is the one that produces the lion dolls, Sakutaro is a prototype perhaps, or he was a store brought toy that Rosa tweaked to practice her sewing skills. There's a few ways to get around the red. Lawyering the words is probably the best way to sort out the mysteries.
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Graylien posted:Rosa runs her own sewing and design company right? There's a chance that's her company is the one that produces the lion dolls, Sakutaro is a prototype perhaps, or he was a store brought toy that Rosa tweaked to practice her sewing skills. There's a few ways to get around the red. Lawyering the words is probably the best way to sort out the mysteries. Considering that Rosa's business was in hot water when she was alive, I'm finding it extremely difficult to believe that one of their products were still being sold 12 years later. I'm of the opinion that the those dolls have nothing to do with Rosa or her company.
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Erika is a jerk about it, but on the other hand Maria's belief in Beatrice isn't just a harmless belief that helps her cope with her crummy life. We've seen repeatedly that when people die she doesn't care because she thinks they'll be resurrected, and I'm not sure if we have solid evidence of this but a lot of theories have assumed that she'd be willing to be an accomplice to murder as long as she believed it was Beatrice doing the killing, and that seems very likely. Basically it's less a belief in Santa Claus and more a belief in Charles Manson. Or at least a combination of the two.
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bman in 2288 posted:Considering that Rosa's business was in hot water when she was alive, I'm finding it extremely difficult to believe that one of their products were still being sold 12 years later. I'm of the opinion that the those dolls have nothing to do with Rosa or her company. Didn't her business take off from the infamy of Rosa's death? I could be misremembering however.
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EagerSleeper posted:Didn't her business take off from the infamy of Rosa's death? I could be misremembering however. You're misremembering. Or rather, if that had been mentioned anywhere I'm pretty sure I would remember it.
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TheArchimage posted:I was personally thinking of a Build-A-Bear situation where it's a cheap mass-produced kit to create a stuffed animal that Rosa purchased and put together (possibly on the plane/train ride home) as a last-minute gift. This would explain both its shoddy craftsmanship and why Maria never found another quite like it even though it was obviously possible for Ange to supply an exact duplicate. This would be my conjecture. It allows Sakutarou to be both unique and mass-produced at the same time, while simultaneously fitting other known facts like "Rosa is the worst".
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Anyway I rechecked because I thought I missed some line but I still don't know how this update in any way suggests Sakutaro was mass produced. Him showing up in the Golden Land is nothing strange, he was resurrected in EP4 after all.
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idonotlikepeas posted:This would be my conjecture. It allows Sakutarou to be both unique and mass-produced at the same time, while simultaneously fitting other known facts like "Rosa is the worst". Other known "Rosa is the worst" facts: -She can't run her company properly, or even make the motto sound like something remotely fashionable. -She physically cannot stop beating her child when SOCIAL SERVICES is in the same room as her. -She is amazing at running all men who would be willing to spend time with her away with her paranoia from, like, 10 years ago. -Seriously, that social worker was literally watching it happen and Rosa beat her as well! It's sad that we have proof that Rosa has the capacity to love and take care of her child, as well as have a social life, but she's just completely incapable of doing either until she's at death's door. Speaking of Maria, I wonder what the specifics of the relationship between her and Shannon is. Does Shannon just pretend to be Beatrice when no one but Maria is around, or does she just fuel Maria's belief of magic and witches as a fellow believer, and save the theatrics (if applicable) to her own down-time?
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MonsterEnvy posted:Her companies name is Anti Rosa. Is Anti Rosa supposed to be Good Mama Rosa?
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Rodyle posted:I will defend the Rosa: It's entirely unsurprising that Rosa's company would use self-loathing as a marketing gimmick.
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bman in 2288 posted:Considering that Rosa's business was in hot water when she was alive, I'm finding it extremely difficult to believe that one of their products were still being sold 12 years later. I'm of the opinion that the those dolls have nothing to do with Rosa or her company. Given how it's not seen anywhere else but that place, it wouldn't surprise me if it was just old stock they never got rid of. But either way, I'm somewhat stumped as to why other Sakutarous would be found in Marufuku Sleep Shop, a futon store, and nowhere else that Ange had ever found. tiistai posted:Anyway I rechecked because I thought I missed some line but I still don't know how this update in any way suggests Sakutaro was mass produced. Him showing up in the Golden Land is nothing strange, he was resurrected in EP4 after all. This is the line you're looking for: ProfessorProf posted:With just a little magic, even a mass-produced stuffed animal... can be reborn as a wonderful, unique stuffed animal filled with a mother's love. If you doubt it, it will be burnt by the anti-magic toxin. If you believe it, the magic will become the truth. The tricky part is that it's also been partially backed by red that he's unique and made by Rosa.
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Cyouni posted:There stood a self-proclaimed detective who had seriously taken on a 9-year old, seriously fought her, seriously won by claiming sleight of hand, and seriously felt proud of herself. It sure is. Departing from the Sakutarou discussion, I'd just like to point out what a pathetic rear end in a top hat you'd have to be to even want to win against a child. Who defiles a little girl'sz dream and smiles about it? A horrible dick, that's who. I'm with Battler here. Although, it's interesting to note... I don't think it's pain that Erika is drawn to, here: it's the winning of the battle that she wanted- an argument happened, and she won. But if it was the argument, a problem to solve, that she was seeking, there were better ways to get it than some girl with a magic trick, and it's the same with the knowledge of Beatrice and what she can do (why not hit up the older servants, rather than the youngest member)? Erika is pretty plainly an addict, but it's not answering questions or seeking knowledge she's addicted to, nor is it really fighting witches. It's winning the argument. She doesn't want the truth, she wants to be right. All the time, forever. And such people are no good for solving mysteries, because they continually shift the problems and the reading of evidence to fit a framework they've already decided upon. (Something that Holmes, arrogant dick that he was, never did; he was a firm believer in the scientific method and starting with as much information, and as few biases, as possible, and all* of his dickery was in service to that end.) * OK, OK, most of his dickery, as he did like to mess with people.
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resurgam40 posted:It sure is. Departing from the Sakutarou discussion, I'd just like to point out what a pathetic rear end in a top hat you'd have to be to even want to win against a child. Who defiles a little girl'sz dream and smiles about it? A horrible dick, that's who. I'm with Battler here. I mean, if Maria gave the story about the candy coming out of the cup in red, the thread would totally have tried to solve it without witches, which aren't real. We wouldn't have done it to Maria's face (for a variety of reasons), but on the other hand that also means we wouldn't be giving Maria the ability to defend her story at all. Erika is in some ways the embodiment of us, except that she's ruder because we get to see the reactions of all the imaginary people she's hurting (I mean the extra imaginary ones).
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Qrr posted:I mean, if Maria gave the story about the candy coming out of the cup in red, the thread would totally have tried to solve it without witches, which aren't real. We wouldn't have done it to Maria's face (for a variety of reasons), but on the other hand that also means we wouldn't be giving Maria the ability to defend her story at all. Well by the time we know what the red means, we also know that this person showing Maria magic tricks is likely a serial murderer involved in a much larger and more interesting mystery. Erika is just beating up children to show how cool she is.
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resurgam40 posted:(Something that Holmes, arrogant dick that he was, never did; he was a firm believer in the scientific method and starting with as much information, and as few biases, as possible, and all* of his dickery was in service to that end.) There is the one time he pretty much solved the case without really looking, ended up humiliating himself by being completely wrong - he admitted he hosed up, and tells Watson to remind him of the case when he gets cocky so he doesn't do that again (Yellow Face - he suspected there was a sinister element, but nope, it was just a woman trying to protect her biracial child from bigots). Erika in the same situation would throw a tantrum and possibly push the child down the stairs for messing up her theory.
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Lets not forget that Erika called herself an intellectual rapist. Her image song is about boasting that she is smarter then everyone else. And how she will utterly destroy anyone's answer in a discussion, and loves to see people struggle and cry.
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In other words, Erika posts on FYAD.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Lets not forget that Erika called herself an intellectual rapist. And you're not posting the song itself? For shame, MonsterEnvy, for shame. (It's a polsy link.)  Closed captioning gives subtitles!
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this version is better http://polsy.org.uk/play/yt/?vurl=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FS8HzGrB9WhY
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Cyouni posted:This is the line you're looking for: Ah, yeah sorry. I did miss that. Anyway, context matters. Ange heard that red, so why does she still think Sakutaro was mass produced and, presumably, not filled with a mother's love? Don't just look at red in a vacuum.
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tiistai posted:Anyway, context matters. Ange heard that red, so why does she still think Sakutaro was mass produced and, presumably, not filled with a mother's love? Don't just look at red in a vacuum. My thought on it is still that Ange is a lot more likely to view Rosa negatively, and that her statement is as always, subject to Knox's 9th. We already know that she prefers to view Rosa in a negative light at any time possible. "From the perspective of someone who didn't know better, it would probably look like something cheap bought from a department store or something. But to Maria onee-chan, it was her mother's handmade stuffed animal, the only one of its kind in the world and irreplaceable." Ange would just fall under category #1. Alternately, Sakutaro was actually mass-produced, just after he was made by Rosa. Perhaps she saw how much Maria liked the design and thought "hey, this could totally make money and possibly help save my failing company".
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resurgam40 posted:It sure is. Departing from the Sakutarou discussion, I'd just like to point out what a pathetic rear end in a top hat you'd have to be to even want to win against a child. Who defiles a little girl'sz dream and smiles about it? A horrible dick, that's who. I'm with Battler here. Erika's next big case will be the mystery of the Tooth Fairy. (Lambda having already solved the mystery of Santa) ((the answer is the Tooth Fairy's a witch)) Graylien fucked around with this message at 19:25 on May 15, 2017 |
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 October 4th, 1986, 10:03 PM  BGM: Moonlit Night  "*giggle* You're still pretty young yourself, George-san." "Hahaha... I guess it's because I've always been the oldest of the cousins... It's always made me feel like I'm not one of the young ones anymore."George and Shannon could be seen standing in the rainy rose garden. Though the rain was still pouring down, there was hardly any wind at all. The scant protection provided by the arbor was more than enough to house this secret meeting between lovers. Following that fight with Erika, they had decided to play some cards for a change of pace. When that was over, Shannon had returned to the servant room, and shortly after that, George had left his room to meet with Shannon at the time they had arranged.   "...Yeah, that's true. Around that age, most kids are so determined to free themselves from the shell of childhood that they lash out in all directions with their beaks. When they do break out, they'll finally be free to stretch their wings and fly high." "...I was like that too. When I was still inside that shell, I was a weak, deplorable man who didn't deserve any respect." "Th, that's not true..." "No, it's okay. I realize it myself. Back then, I might have been the oldest of the cousins, but I was still a lazy, hopeless man. And it wasn't just with the cousins. At home, at school... I was like that everywhere." I wanted to break that shell and become a splendid adult like Mother and Father.  "But in the end, you did break out of that shell, George-sama. Every time I've met you these past few years, you've grown beyond recognition." "Thank you." "...Did something cause you to make up your mind?" "To break out of my shell?" "Yes. I can't imagine that you grew so rapidly, like a butterfly breaking out of its cocoon, by just wandering around aimlessly. I thought there must have been some turning point which made you become so determined." BGM: Steady Pace "No way... It's hard to believe that someone who's always as bright and cheerful as you could have negative emotions." "Well, my parents taught me to treat a girl well. And I thought that I had succeeded in living that way." "Yes. I think you're a really wonderful gentleman..." "But that was wrong." "...?" Of course, George had wanted to be around girls as much as any boy might. However, he didn't know how to interact with them. He wanted to act like a gentleman, avoid being disliked by them, and treat them with care. Of those feelings, only the words 'treat a girl well' took precedence, blossoming into a subconscious fear of women... "You might call a man like that 'gentlemanly' or 'a late bloomer'. Ridiculous. I was just a coward." "Because of that, I started to wonder why I couldn't get a lover if I was so gentlemanly, and I eventually came to the conclusion that all the women in the world had no taste, and started to hate all of them... stupidly. That's what a truly pathetic man looks like."How many years ago was it when I noticed? Probably when I was in middle school. At the time, I assumed that I was obviously the most gentlemanly of the cousins, so I would obviously be popular with women. However, reality was completely different. At school, I was pretty much completely hopeless. Far from being a leader, I was the bullied kid who got pushed around by everyone. At the time, I figured I was just a capable and adaptable man, who could keep in perfect tune with his surroundings. How stupid. Sure, I might have gained some measure of trust from girls. However, not only was there no one who would become my girlfriend, there were very few girls I could even call a friend.  "...I can sort of understand how you felt. Just because someone puts in a lot of hard work to look attractive to the opposite sex, it doesn't necessarily work out as they planned." "Oh? Has that happened to you too, Shannon?" "Of course. One time, I wanted to catch a boy's eye so much, I tried to put on makeup even though I didn't know how and embarrassed myself... Eheheh, I remember a lot of embarrassing failures." "The person that made me finally get over my conceit and open my eyes... was you, Shannon. No, it was both of you." "...What was the turning point for you, George-san?" "Haha... envy, probably." "That's unexpected. But envy for what?" BGM: Worldend (solo) "...Me and... Battler-sama?"Shannon raced through her memories, trying to find a conversation that might have made George envious. "Haha, it probably seemed trivial to you two. However, it still made me envious. I don't want Battler to hear what I say next, no matter what. Can you promise me?" "O, of course..." "...It's going to be a shameful confession. Still, I want you to hear it. I want to hear your answer tonight... only after I've told you about my bad sides as well." "...Okay. Let me hear it."With a smile but a serious look in her eyes, Shannon nodded. Tonight. She knew what he was going to ask her tonight. George had the right to confess before asking that sacred question, and Shannon had the obligation to listen. Shannon understood this, so she listened quietly.   "...Stories of love are truly timeless. I never tire of them. However, I do find that expression of virgin disgust on your face even more charming..."Featherine laughed quietly. Ange huffed and looked away, but she quickly realized that this would only entertain Featherine even more, so she tried to act unconcerned...  BGM: Future George looked up at where the moon should be, high above the rain clouds... and spoke. They were honest words, spoken from George's meek heart...  "I don't. People are allowed to think anything they want inside their hearts. In fact, I think you were all the more commendable for not letting it show on the outside." "Thanks. I secretly looked down on those two. I was so conceited that I truly thought I was just overflowing with gentlemanly charm compared to them."I was at that age where having a girlfriend felt like a necessary condition for becoming a real man. I truly believed that no girl could fail to admire a gentleman who treated girls as well as I did. So, I really did assume that the girls I knew were attracted to me. "I thought that Battler-kun and Jessica-chan, who always joked around and spoke in a rude, vulgar fashion, would never be able to get a boyfriend or girlfriend. I might have used that argument to distract myself when I still couldn't get a girlfriend. I was a fool. They weren't inferior to me at all. I was the inferior one, with my deification of the opposite sex and my fear, which I hid under the guise of 'ladies first'."  "...I sort of understand. People like Onii-chan and Jessica onee-chan can get along with anyone whether that person's a boy or a girl. I hate to say it, but I find guys who act too polite... a bit creepy. It's like they're virgins trying too hard or something..." "People respect it when someone they are distant from is boring and harmless. However, they only like that person because he or she doesn't get in their way. No human would want to hang around with a boring person." "...Of course. No idiot would want to be friends with an unmoving, unspeaking telephone pole. However, unmoving and unspeaking is exactly what you'd want from a telephone pole." "That's it. It seems as though George finally discovered that he wouldn't be viewed as an attractive man no matter how superior he was, and that he had been treated like a telephone pole the whole time..." "Back then, my conceit was at its peak. So, when everyone gathered at the family conference, I believed that I was the most attractive, and that all the servant girls who played with us loved having me there. On that day, I finally realized how pathetic I was." "...Did I... say something inconsiderate then...?" "No, it's the opposite. You didn't say anything at all. My conceited delusion that I was the only one ever reflected in your eyes... was crushed."Just when did it start? No, it must have started long before then. I only failed to notice because my eyes were clouded with conceit.  ...Yes. Those two, whom I had looked down upon so much, were radiating far more charm than I was. You really looked like you were enjoying yourself that day. The look on your face was far brighter than any you ever showed me. "Hahaha, sickening, isn't it? I just assumed that you liked me, and even had some childish fantasy that we might end up dating. I one-sidedly felt as though my girlfriend had been stolen from me and let myself feel hurt. Just how pathetic was I at that moment... When that happened, I finally realized how foolish I had been." "...George-sama..." "After that, stuff happened and Battler-kun stopped coming to the family conferences, but I heard about him from time to time from Uncle Rudolf. He's a pretty funny guy. Even though he got in fights with Battler-kun all the time, he always paid close attention to his son's goings-on." "...That's true. He spoke to me about it as well. I think even Asumu-sama was bothered by it. She thought all his popularity with the girls at school and the unceasing trouble this caused must have been because of Rudolf-sama's blood." "And Jessica-chan too. I hear she built up a huge number of friends, both boys and girls, and that she was always the center of attention. When I actually talked with her, I realized that this was no exaggeration."That experience had... shown that the two I had looked down upon... were much more attractive human beings than I was... "At first, I tried to imitate those two. It was pretty ridiculous. I thought that by joking around and speaking rudely, I could get that same charm they had." "*giggle* You did that? It's a bit hard to picture." "It was miserable... I wish I could forget that time for the rest of my life. In any event, I quickly realized that I would never gain any true charm by imitating them like that." BGM: Haruka I resolved myself to overcome that flaw and be reborn. I finally understood the shell I was in, and I swore to break out of it. Every time my resilience began to waver, I would remember that day. That day I saw you two forget about me entirely and play around happily. And the fact that those eyes of yours, which I always assumed were attracted to me, never noticed me at all. I made an oath. This time, I would really make you take notice of me, and I would be reflected in your eyes. Actually, that's the first thing I felt when I fell in love with you.  "On that day, my desire for revenge against the two of you who ignored me and played together, no, against you alone... suddenly transformed into true love." "...However, I swear this to God. Even though that was the reason I first started to take you seriously, there are no lies in the way I feel about you now. I swear to love you for all my life. I will not lie about that for anyone or anything. And I am prepared to take you as my wife, even if it means having the entire world as my enemy." "...George... san..." "That is the confession I wanted to make to you beforehand. Before now, I've called you my first love, love at first sight. That was a lie. It was only my selfish, twisted-" "That doesn't matter."Shannon smiled, but she spoke forcefully enough to cut through George's words.  "Love... isn't that simple. Well, it might be simple. After all, love is easy. Always, whatever you feel now... only the honest feelings you feel now can tell you the right answer. So, things of the past or how our relationship started aren't important at all." "...Then, I shouldn't have confessed...?" "*giggle*, no. I'm a bit glad to learn that even George-san, who's always perfect at everything, has a human side to him. And I'm kinda glad that I'm the only person you've told this to." "...Thank you. I was only able to become who I am because of you." "Me too. I am as I am because of you, George-san. So please, tell me without holding back. What kind of husband and wife will we be, and what kind of future will we build together?" "When I have you as my wife, I will become an even more accomplished businessman than my father. And after several challenges and adventures, I hope to find the limits of my potential. I want to reach that peak together with you. The view from there will be something no one can show you but me." "It sounds fun. I'll be with you wherever you go." "Of course, it won't only be an adventure as a businessman. I'd like to create many things that only a couple can make." "*giggle*. And what could that be?" BGM: Praise "*giggle* ...Yes, my husband." "I'd like three of them at the least. At least one boy and one girl." "And what if all three are boys...?" "Then the next one might be a girl. We can make a fourth one. It doesn't matter how many. Let's enjoy the adventure of bringing them up together. And when those children eventually leave their nest, they'll make us some grandchildren. Before we know it, we'll reach a boisterous old age surrounded by many children and grandchildren." "It sounds like fun. I wonder... what kind of a grandpa you'll be." "And I wonder what kind of a grandma you'll be. However, I will always keep loving you. And when we eventually pass away, surrounded by our vast family, our lives will stretch behind us, unmatched by anyone else's."George didn't just talk about his love of the present. He swore to love her soul until the final moment when the lid of their coffins would be shut. Then, George took a small box out of his pocket. Even without opening it, she knew what was inside. He took it out with a motion that was more natural even than the one he had practiced in the bathroom at the airport, and it was overflowing with charm. "Sayo." "Yes." BGM: Cage "Yes." "Please, take this ring and put it on your finger." "...Yes, George-san." Of course, Shannon had already decided which finger to put it on. "I swear to resolutely stand against any fate which may attempt to get in the way of our future."George proclaimed that he would reveal their engagement to the entire family on the next day. "My parents might criticize this marriage... However, I will not let them stop us. I am going to inform them of our engagement, not ask for their permission. If Mother says that she will not allow our marriage, I plan to have myself disinherited, and we will leave this family together." "I have been prepared for that since long ago. I swear once again to resolutely stand against all fates that get in the way of our future."...George had said it aloud. So, Shannon said the same thing.  "Me too. I swear to stand against all fates that get in the way of our future." BGM: Smile-less Soiree  "...Be quiet and watch." "...Sure, fine. I'd hate to yawn and let some spectacular bit of foreshadowing slip by." "...Do you have no love?" "Are there any mysteries which accept love as proof? No, there aren't."Erika laughed coldly and stared down at the two on the game board. Battler watched her quietly. Erika thought she felt a touch of pity in his gaze, and she averted her eyes uncomfortably.  "...I do understand, more or less. Love can at least become a motive for murder. I can interpret this scene beneath the arbor to represent a possible motive for the crime if their engagement is somehow impeded." "...Then again, no matter how much people talk of love with words that aren't red, it's all just an illusion. *cackle*cackle*cackle*!" "...That's very sad. So, you could never love a human without proof given to you by a witch." "Please put an end to this frivolous love talk. I'm your enemy, not a friend to whom you can talk about love just for the hell of it." "..."  "...Please don't tell me that feelings of true love have sprouted from your murderous rivalry or anything like that, okay?" "...Lady Erika. Let us have him continue the game's PROGRESSION. Boring love scenes such as this are best finished QUICKLY." "Ah, you've got a point there.""  Sorry for butting in. Come on, let's move on." "..."
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