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 So, not sure if this is something that will happen automatically, but I propose the Golden Age of Innovation which states that we do what is necessary to make Al Andalus a haven for free thinking and innovation, rather than be too rigid in our thinking (Move the Piety scale to maximum Technology Points)
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The Celts called us into a war so Andalusian sons and brothers could die just to keep France distracted. Would they do the same for us? We must end this one-sided alliance.
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May 12, 2017 19:09
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Policies at the moment: Lord Cyrahzax posted:I, Ismail al-Cyrahzax, propose that we use the wealth that will surely be coming to us on a comprehensive program of military expansion and reform. We should build a barracks in the capital and in other population centers if possible, while also expanding the size of the standing army, recruiting better officers to lead it, and maintaining a minimum amount of wealth for hiring auxiliary forces in times of crisis. Lord Cyrahzax, TravelLog, Tendronai, Ibblebibble. catlord posted:I propose a small expansion to our army for the purpose of defence. Gold is good, and we don't want the French or whoever stealing ours. catlord. Luhood posted:I, Lutfi al-Uthman, hereby declare a motion that we are to KEEP our alliance with the Celts. If we are to have the Rhine as our goal we can't let their lack of piety stand in the way of a masterful alliance. Luhood, Rodyle, Flavius Belisarius.  Ralepozozaxe posted:I, Ralepozozaxe, The Dalai Ullama, propose that we break our alliance with them, and find a good Muslim ally to replace them. Ralepozozaxe, Mountaineer, Agean90, Erwin the German. Snipee posted:I, Snipee of the Ulama, propose that we dedicate resources towards developing an alliance with Bavaria to weaken the Kingdom of Italy. Palermo must not fall. Snipee. AJ_Impy posted:I, Al-rusim khataan taht-Impy of the Ulama, propose that, should the opportunity arise, we claim for Allah via war of conquest one of the minor infidel nations on our northern border, if doing so will not embroil us in a wider conflict with stronger powers. AJ_Impy. TildeATH posted:I propose we Explore and colonize these new islands Allah has delivered to us and continue to explore West of these islands to find a route to our Muslim brothers in China! TildeATH, Grizzwold, Samovar, Dick Trauma, GunnerJ, Talas, Yvonmukluk, RZApublican, Ikasuhito, Technowolf, Rubix Squid, Aeromancia, Cerebral Bore. Affi posted:The League of Merchants propose that we find the sea route to Mecca so that Affi. GunnerJ posted:Proposing the Naval Superiority Policy: Develop the size and power of our navy so that it exceeds that of our strongest plausible naval rival. Consider this auto-withdrawn if we're already the strongest naval power in the area. GunnerJ, Soup du Jour, ShootaBoy, Hitlers Gay Secret, Mikl. WilliamAnderson posted:Given this, I propose that we develop the production on our gold mine up to 10, with the other development increases split equally. WilliamAnderson, Frionnel, Crazycryodude, paragon1, Archaeology Hat, Captain Oblivious, Lynneth. the JJ posted:The "we won the electoral vote by YUGE amounts" proposal the JJ, Bot 02. Shogeton posted:So, not sure if this is something that will happen automatically, but I propose the Golden Age of Innovation which states that we do what is necessary to make Al Andalus a haven for free thinking and innovation, rather than be too rigid in our thinking (Move the Piety scale to maximum Technology Points) Shogeton.
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May 12, 2017 19:22
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the JJ posted:
I, Qasim ibn Qaptin, shift my support to this motion. We cannot let the Ulema destroy this critical alliance!
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May 12, 2017 19:51
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the JJ posted:
I support this motion.
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May 12, 2017 19:53
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I, Sheikha Rabab al-Majnun, throw my support behind Lutfi al-Uthman's proposal to keep our alliance with the Celts, and further propose that we ally ourselves with any other enemies of France, regardless of their faith. Believe me, I understand the kneejerk reaction to an alliance with Christians after so much Andalusi blood has been shed driving them from our rightful lands. But the followers of Isa are still People of the Book, and unlike the filthy conquistadors infesting the north, the Celts have never threatened Andalusi territory. The Ulama would do well to recall that Islam cannot thrive without a secure land for the faithful. We must build an alliance against the Frankish hordes. If we must grit our teeth to fight alongside Christians, then so be it!
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May 12, 2017 19:56
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Viola the Mad posted:
I think the Celts did contribute troops to one of the crusades against us hundreds of years ago. But anyways, what happens if the top policies of the Ulama and New Taifa cancel each other other?
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May 12, 2017 20:04
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the JJ posted:
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May 12, 2017 20:08
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Talas posted:Not to mention, the Celts were the reason why we didn't get destroyed by France during the most recent war. Breaking the alliance is very bad for us. And they're coloured green! The colour of Islam!
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May 12, 2017 20:10
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Snipee posted:
I, Slaan al-Andalusi, back this measure before the council. The Celts may not be the best ally, but Palermo is. We must make sure they do not lose our foothold in Italy.
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May 12, 2017 20:14
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AJ_Impy posted:There is a difference between dhimmi who pay the appropriate Jizya and infidels who see our religion as something to be crusaded against. The former are as you describe, the latter need to be taught the truth of Allah. I agree that breaking the treaty with the Celts is folly at this time, for regardless of who they are, we have given our word before Allah, and we must be true to that above all. No, my friend, don't trouble yourself, come to the oubliette with me and let's eat sorbet and listen to the distant moaning.
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May 12, 2017 20:34
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Snipee posted:But anyways, what happens if the top policies of the Ulama and New Taifa cancel each other other? If two policies are conflicting, then the Sultan picks between them, and I'll make the decision based on their personality. The current sultan is cruel, tall and is a 2/4/2, for reference. I'll let the session run for a few more hours and close it tomorrow morning, cos I've got a lot of stuff to do atm, then try to get an update out tomorrow or the day after.
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May 12, 2017 20:36
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Snipee posted:
I, Didi al-SalasaSab'aa, support this policy. Let's focus on trying to make Palermo (and Al-Andalus) safer instead of trying to make all our allies pure? This way we might even be able to convert the Celts to the rightful path! (Can we send missionaries to convert other nations to our faith? If so, I'm instead making a policy to convert the Celts.There's no problem with an alliance with an Islmaic nation, after-all!)
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May 12, 2017 21:18
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As hilarious as an Islamic Celtic Empire would be, it is a deeply implausible outcome and one which we have no realistic means by which to bring about. Or more accurately, any means.
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May 12, 2017 21:19
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Hashim posted:If two policies are conflicting, then the Sultan picks between them, and I'll make the decision based on their personality. The current sultan is cruel, tall and is a 2/4/2, for reference. I take it if the Merchants policy canceled one of the other factions out it would win based on us being the majority party?
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May 12, 2017 21:21
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:I take it if the Merchants policy canceled one of the other factions out it would win based on us being the majority party? For the most part yes, but under the current government the sultan still has a lot of power, so he'll use it wherever and whenever possible. You haven't had the chance to see it so far because our last sultan was a 0/0/0, but the Majlis isn't all-powerful.
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May 12, 2017 21:27
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As useful as i think our alliance with the celts is, i'd rather we Merchants don't waste one of our actions trying to combat the Ulema, and instead use it for more useful things, like all the other proposals. There are other countries to ally, and ducats to be earned.
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May 12, 2017 21:27
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Frionnel posted:As useful as i think our alliance with the celts is, i'd rather we Merchants don't waste one of our actions trying to combat the Ulema, and instead use it for more useful things, like all the other proposals. There are other countries to ally, and ducats to be earned. That presumes there is an action more useful for our second policy than combating the Ulema's madness. I say there is not.
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May 12, 2017 21:55
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Captain Oblivious posted:That presumes there is an action more useful for our second policy than combating the Ulema's madness. I say there is not. The GOLD MINE.
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May 12, 2017 22:07
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*as I am being beaten to death by a Frank in front of a productive goldmine marked 'Property of Aragon'* "But their Epistles!"
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May 12, 2017 23:20
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Luhood posted:
I am going to change my vote to this. At the very least this alliance will make others think twice about messing with us. Captain Oblivious posted:I'd hesitate to call that fingernail of territory a foothold. I'm more referring to oh say Normally I would too, but France does have the power to hold and expand that fingernail of territory. Were it anyone else I would be less worried.
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May 12, 2017 23:30
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All this talk about France is exactly why we need to get some overseas colonies up and running. If worse comes to worse we will need somewhere Allah's children can be safe and allowed to prosper. Again I say let the old world rot!
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May 12, 2017 23:39
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Look, digging up immense and ever-expanding quantities of gold is a no brainer. It's gold, everybody loves it, and having more is objectively better. There is absolutely no imaginable way that this could backfire, because more coins never hurt anyone and if some dumbass "economist" tries to tell you otherwise, just ask them how, exactly, too much money is a bad thing then laugh at all their made up words. And I personally guarantee it will never run out, either, no matter how much we dig up. Trust me, I'm a merchant.
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Captain Oblivious posted:That presumes there is an action more useful for our second policy than combating the Ulema's madness. I say there is not. WilliamAnderson posted:The GOLD MINE. This
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May 12, 2017 23:58
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So quick question. The ruling party can put forward two policies. Can members of that party also endorse two policies? If not I might switch my vote to the gold mine.
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May 13, 2017 00:07
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Luhood posted:
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May 13, 2017 00:54
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GunnerJ posted:
I Quarl al-Ifrinjyy support this motion; Control of the sea is control of trade. I have faith that our Sultan, who had an education focused on Diplomacy would never be so mad as to blindly follow the Ulama into blindly giving away control of the peninsula to the French for a matter of faith; surely they cannot think that Allah (PBUH) would want us to be weak in the face of our worst enemy.
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May 13, 2017 02:20
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Nine of Eight posted:
Peace Be Upon Him (PBUH) is reserved for the Rasul'allah, Muhammad, the seal of the prophets, and would be considered out of place applied to Ar-Rahim, for whom we might more commonly say Subhana wa tala or (SWT) afterward. Careful, there's worse places than the oubliette with these Ulama fanatics wandering about.
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May 13, 2017 03:01
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We will need the Ulama in time. If we are to make anything of former Christian holdings in Iberia, we must convert the populace to the true faith of the last Prophet. It will just be a nest of vipers otherwise.
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May 13, 2017 03:04
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Nah, it'll be fine.
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May 13, 2017 03:11
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I think breaking the alliance is dumb move but probably not the apocalyptic horrorshow it's being made out to be.
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Celtic Empire is unlikely to ever land troops in France to help. It's why I almost never ally England in my own games.
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Session closed. Lord Cyrahzax posted:I, Ismail al-Cyrahzax, propose that we use the wealth that will surely be coming to us on a comprehensive program of military expansion and reform. We should build a barracks in the capital and in other population centers if possible, while also expanding the size of the standing army, recruiting better officers to lead it, and maintaining a minimum amount of wealth for hiring auxiliary forces in times of crisis. Lord Cyrahzax, TravelLog, Tendronai, Ibblebibble. Luhood posted:I, Lutfi al-Uthman, hereby declare a motion that we are to KEEP our alliance with the Celts. If we are to have the Rhine as our goal we can't let their lack of piety stand in the way of a masterful alliance. Luhood, Rodyle, Flavius Belisarius, Viola the Mad, catlord, Sampatrick. Ralepozozaxe posted:I, Ralepozozaxe, The Dalai Ullama, propose that we break our alliance with them, and find a good Muslim ally to replace them. Ralepozozaxe, Mountaineer, Agean90, Erwin the German. Snipee posted:I, Snipee of the Ulama, propose that we dedicate resources towards developing an alliance with Bavaria to weaken the Kingdom of Italy. Palermo must not fall. Snipee, Slaan, devildragon777. AJ_Impy posted:I, Al-rusim khataan taht-Impy of the Ulama, propose that, should the opportunity arise, we claim for Allah via war of conquest one of the minor infidel nations on our northern border, if doing so will not embroil us in a wider conflict with stronger powers. AJ_Impy. TildeATH posted:I propose we Explore and colonize these new islands Allah has delivered to us and continue to explore West of these islands to find a route to our Muslim brothers in China! TildeATH, Grizzwold, Samovar, Dick Trauma, GunnerJ, Talas, Yvonmukluk, RZApublican, Ikasuhito, Technowolf, Rubix Squid, Aeromancia, Cerebral Bore. Affi posted:The League of Merchants propose that we find the sea route to Mecca so that Affi. GunnerJ posted:Proposing the Naval Superiority Policy: Develop the size and power of our navy so that it exceeds that of our strongest plausible naval rival. Consider this auto-withdrawn if we're already the strongest naval power in the area. GunnerJ, Soup du Jour, ShootaBoy, Hitlers Gay Secret, Mikl, Nine of Eight. WilliamAnderson posted:Given this, I propose that we develop the production on our gold mine up to 10, with the other development increases split equally. WilliamAnderson, Frionnel, Crazycryodude, paragon1, Archaeology Hat, Lynneth. the JJ posted:The "we won the electoral vote by YUGE amounts" proposal the JJ, Bot 02, Captain Oblivious, RZApublican, Camoes. Shogeton posted:So, not sure if this is something that will happen automatically, but I propose the Golden Age of Innovation which states that we do what is necessary to make Al Andalus a haven for free thinking and innovation, rather than be too rigid in our thinking (Move the Piety scale to maximum Technology Points) Shogeton. edit: Also, I'll be adding another restriction for the next policy session: if a policy failed to pass, factions will not be able to submit it again for at least another 2 sessions. hashashash fucked around with this message at 08:59 on May 13, 2017 |
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Suggestion: restrict the faction that submitted it from re-proposing. Otherwise you'll have factions gaming the system by proposing things they never want to see pass just so the other factions can never propose them.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Suggestion: restrict the faction that submitted it from re-proposing. Otherwise you'll have factions gaming the system by proposing things they never want to see pass just so the other factions can never propose them. Yeah, already said that I'd be doing that at the bottom of my last post.
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I misread your edit, then, as I took it to mean that no faction is allowed to resubmit any failed proposal regardless of who originally proposed it.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I misread your edit, then, as I took it to mean that no faction is allowed to resubmit any failed proposal regardless of who originally proposed it. Yeah, probably should've been clearer, but it'll be limited to the faction that proposed it. Policies won't be permanently banned either, just for a session or two, assuming they already failed to pass.
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May 13, 2017 14:33
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Hashim, you missed my vote to cancel the alliance with the Celts, just in case it matters.
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Looks like it doesn't since the Taifas nullified our vote anyway.
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Mountaineer posted:Looks like it doesn't since the Taifas nullified our vote anyway. Wait we can vote on that? In that case I vote to end voting and going back to absolutism please for quicker updates
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