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counterfeitsaint posted:They should have numbered them, just to see how many get blown up. Voyager lost seventeen shuttles out of the two they started with, plus of course one Delta Flyer. They also fired at least 93 of their 40 irreplaceable photon torpedoes. Source: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/inconsistencies-voy.htm
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The whole irreplaceable photon torpedo thing was always dumb. If you can make Delta Flyers, you can make torpedoes.
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Universe Master posted:The whole irreplaceable photon torpedo thing was always dumb. If you can make Delta Flyers, you can make torpedoes. But admitting a that the flying schoolhouse that a starship is supposed to be would have a weapons factory tucked in between the jungle gym and botany lab would violate some lovely notion of Gene's or some bad concept clung to by Berman so they'd rather ignore it for six long seasons rather than fix it in 9 seconds with a passing mention of expanding their warhead replication efforts.
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if you could start making proton torpedoes then you could start replicating food probably and what would poor neelix do 
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Universe Master posted:The whole irreplaceable photon torpedo thing was always dumb. If you can make Delta Flyers, you can make torpedoes. Yeah they could make them I'm sure. But they didn't. It would require some scenes wehre they set up some type of munitions manufactory on ship. And you know how they felt about continuity!!! You know, like on Battlestar Galactica. Those writers actually thought to themselves "hey it's gonna be ridiculous if this stranded ship with no supply line is losing fighters left and right". Meme Poker Party fucked around with this message at 23:15 on May 11, 2017 |
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Mister Facetious posted:It was the only one. It may be the most cursed shuttle not from DS9. Actually there were 2, and even though it was pretty cool 2 facts about it are pretty lame: - it couldn't really fit in the shuttle bay - the unused idea of the aeroshuttle would have been 100% perfect for this
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Tyson Tomko posted:- the unused idea of the aActuallyeroshuttle would have been 100% perfect for this
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Chomp8645 posted:Yeah they could make them I'm sure. But they didn't. It would require some scenes wehre they set up some type of munitions manufactory on ship. And you know how they felt about continuity!!! Not just that, it makes sense that this is how a colossal flying logistics carrier in space would operate in wartime. Why have to Jump back home after every battle when it can just go hide somewhere and replenish its lost equipment/ammo itself and come right back swinging? counterfeitsaint posted:They should have numbered them, just to see how many get blown up. The Delta Flyer actually only gets outright-destroyed once, it just generally crashes more times than Starbug and gets salvaged.
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May 12, 2017 04:22
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NS I am still waiting for your review of Remember. You don't have to do it but at least tell me you're not. If you don't I'll have to go talk to my fake DaVinci till I figure out what to do with my fake doctor.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:NS I am still waiting for your review of Remember. You don't have to do it but at least tell me you're not. If you don't I'll have to go talk to my fake DaVinci till I figure out what to do with my fake doctor. If it comes round on Foxtel and I spot it, I'll give it a watch, sure. That's how I've been plodding through them all up til now. Endgame Part 2 is tonight's one, incidentally.
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Universe Master posted:The whole irreplaceable photon torpedo thing was always dumb. If you can make Delta Flyers, you can make torpedoes. Totally agree. The problem with that, and what I always found really frustrating about Voyager, is that such a big deal was made about them being unable to do that because they're on the far side of the galaxy. I've argued with friends about this as well. It's fine to have a spaceship with magical replicating technology that can create (almost) anything you want, but if that's the case then don't make a big deal about being so far from home that you have to ration everything. You can't have it both ways. Neddy Seagoon posted:The Doctor's tricked them anyway, leaving a piece of classical music playing the moment B'Elanna gets main power back online on Voyager that reveals the ship's warp signature in a few misplayed notes via fourier analysis and holy poo poo they actually used something real instead of random technobabble "Real" in the sense that Fourier transforms are a common tool for analysing the frequency components of signals. As someone who has experience in that field, it's a bit dubious that they can be used in the kind of context presented in that episode unless you already know what you're looking for. But hey, you're right, it's much better than made up bullshit.
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 Endgame, Parts 1 and 2; Voyager's made it home! Ten years ago today, Voyager flew in over the Golden Gate Bridge among fireworks and cheering onlookers in a small crowd scene that looks nothing like a small section of a larger group. In the end they wound up spending twenty-three years in the Delta Quadrant and now they're all getting together for their annual reunion party. Janeway's an Admiral, Harry Kim is a Captain with his own ship, The Doctor has gotten married to a lovely blonde woman (and settled on the name of 'Joe'). B'Elanna has become a liaison to the Klingon Empire, and Tom Paris... has lost his hair.  Seriously, I loving lost it when I saw this. Poor, poor, bastard  . He's also a holo-novelist now, and his and B'Elanna's daughter is an Ensign in Starfleet, who is apparently on some secret job for Janeway and couldn't make it.Reg Barclay gets to attend as well, making a toast to everyone who made it back... and those who never did  . Turns out Seven's dead, as is Chakotay. Admiral Janeway's also become an expert on fighting the Borg and lectures at Starfleet Academy. I can only presume the intent is that if they can survive a semester under Janeway they'll never be afraid of anything else again. Ever. A call from Miral Paris reveals 'the thing' is ready, but the dealer (a Klingon named Korath) wants to meet in person. That gets sidelined for a quick visit to see Tuvok, who has somehow lost his marbles in the preceding 26 years and spends his days scribbling manuscripts by candlelight in a dark isolated medical room. It's one last goodbye, because apparently Janeway's not coming back from whatever she's planning to do. And gets followed up by a second one last stop at a grave on a small hill It's a false alarm, much to the annoyance of the crew's betting pool (no mention of what is being betted with, just a 'betting pool'.), and after a general meeting between Chakotay and Janeway it's revealed Chakotay and Seven have started dating as they share a pleasant picnic lunch in Cargo Bay 2. The most platonic and emotionless dating you've ever scene. Meanwhile in the Mess Hall, Icheb scares Tuvok by kicking his rear end at Kal-toh, and Tuvok walks in the "he's getting sick" subplot with an immediate visit to Sick Bay. His concentration is lapsing so they have to up his medication against the neurological condition he's shown no signs of up until now, and we'd really care more if this wasn't the loving series finale  .We also get one final appearance from Neelix, with Seven actually showing emotions like a normal person and enjoying a game of Kadis-kot. Right up until she tells him she sees something weird and possibly dangerous on the sensors and hangs up on him. Hold that thought for a little bit, it'll be funny later in hindsight. Turns out they're picking up weird readings from inside a Nebula that might be a whole cluster of wormholes and maybe one of them might lead to the Alpha Quadrant. Buut we need to go see what's happening in the future again, and Tuvok's having a sudden violent episode to try and get the Doctor's attention, managing to get the Doctor to understand she's gone off and not coming back. Trying to investigate what Janeway's up to leads him to Reg Barclay, who's been helping Admiral Janeway acquire a shuttle for her trip, and he holds up under the Doctor's interrogation for all of thirty seconds before spilling the beans. It's too late anyway, because Janeway's already meeting with Korath and his Klingon buddies, offering to get him a seat on the Klingon High Council in exchange for whatever his thing is. He tries to back out of the deal, insisting he wants her shuttle's shield generator as well or no deal. She leaves, and it's pretty clear he's going to be hosed over in short order. Present-day Voyager, meanwhile, goes poking its nose into the Nebula and spots what might be a ship ahead of them, making no effort to try and evade the moving unknown object until A loving BORG CUBE FLIES RIGHT BY THEM, OH SWEET gently caress RUN FOR IT!  Because the Borg are apparently terrifying in this episode, I guess. The Borg Queen's seen them, but lets them go. Because... Eeeeviilll?  . The general consensus is gently caress the Nebula and the Wormholes within, because apparently there's a good 47 Cubes flying around the region and wow this story just got stupid. If there were that many Borg Cubes there, the entire loving region should be assimilated. Borg do not hide, nor do they generally go for discretion.Seven also has a visit to the Doctor, because she wants him to try an experimental procedure he was developing to fix the failsafes in her Cortical Node that keep her from being able to experience strong emotions (despite the fact we see her clearly doing things like getting pissed off from time-to-time), and it'll be a dangerous procedure. That never gets brought up again for the rest of the episode, because they're just loving going for broke and throwing every possibly-interesting plotline at the wall with no fucks left to give anymore. The Doctor also gets shot down with his offers for help with regards to helping her exploring intimate relations. Admiral Janeway, meanwhile, fucks over Korath by coming back for a return visit so she can slap a beacon on her prize and beam out with it. Sucker. She manages to leg it with some help from Harry Kim rocking up in his ship to come and supposedly arrest her because the Doctor told on her. But it's Harry Kim and even as a Captain he'd never dare cross her. Turns out what Janeway acquired is a time machine, and she's gonna go back and make it so Seven never dies and everyone gets home alive because... okay? Like, apparently another 20-odd crew died as well before they got home, but no Seven is the loss she must undo because... . It's almost a decent episode, right up until you realize this is the end of Part 1 and sweet gently caress-all has actually happened for 45 minutes. The cliffhanger is Admiral Janeway popping into the present and telling Captain Janeway she's come to get them home. Also the Borg Queen's listening in and being smugly evil, as she is want to do.Admiral Janeway's turned up with sweet anti-Borg technology, convincing her younger self to go take that Transwarp Conduit back to the Alpha Quadrant because it's so crazy it might work. Also Janeway's 'favourite cup' has transformed from a china teacup to a metal coffee mug since the last time it was seen onscreen. Stupid temporal causality  . The upgrades are actually pretty goddamn cool; Big generator plates are attached to the external hull of Voyager, spawning an armor shell around the entire ship. They also somehow manufacture "Trans-phasic torpedoes" in unknown quantities (so much for that precious low number of Photon Torpedoes that simply couldn't be replaced...), and the Borg Queen pops into Seven's mind while she regenerates to give her a good stern warning that the Borg Queen will gently caress them all up if they step into her nebula again. She's been leaving them be up until now because And now anyone with half a brain can ask the obvious question; If they can go anywhere, why haven't they loving conquered everything yet?  . Captain Janeway wants to blow the Hub to tiny little bits, while Admiral Janeway just wants to get them home. Captain Janeway wins, because the good Admiral has mellowed ever-so-slightly in her years and isn't quite as good as the old death-stare anymore. Admiral Janeway takes her shuttle to go into the nebula and use a Conduit to reach Unimatrix Alpha, planning to distract the Borg Queen and disable the security systems she personally controls that are keeping the fancy rings in the Conduits protected. A few of those popping in a single Transwarp Conduit will destroy the entire Hub, apparently. There is just zero loving tension at all in all this, as the Borg Cubes can't touch Voyager as it rushes into a Conduit and rides for home, and Admiral Janeway lets herself get assimilated so a  virus infects the Queen and most of the Collective. The Borg Queen goes to pieces over this, literally, and manages to get a single unaffected Borg Sphere to go pursue Voyager while the Unimatrix complex blows up, taking her and Janeway with it  . The Sphere's behind Voyager, riding their rear end and eating through their armor, until the Sphere pops out in Earth space in front of a waiting fleet of Starfleet ships... and explodes from the inside because Voyager somehow managed to get inside it  . No, really, there's no explanation for how they got inside the loving thing. B'Elanna gave birth during the trip, and the last scene of the series is Voyager flying to Earth with the fleet.Epilogue? What epilogue? They're clearly home and you don't need to know anything more about these characters. Now, remember what I said about holding onto that thought about Neelix getting cut off on his call? That's the last time they speak to him. As far as he will ever know, Voyager just vanished after investigating something that might've been a wormhole and never contacted him again. Ever. For all he knows, they probably all died because it's not like the lovely little Talaxian colony has the equipment necessary to talk with the Pathfinder Project.
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FilthyImp posted:I will never forgive them for discarding the aero. Could have had an awesome Voltron-esque sequence where Tom's chair drops down into an emergency turbolift and drops him into the pilot seat. They could have eaten up a good few minutes each episode with a decent "getting the pilot into his seat" sequence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4fNmMjZYAo&t=2s
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May 12, 2017 17:49
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Thanks for the write up on a terrible, terrible show. Was Paris supposed to be cool? Everything I've seen makes him seem like a pretty mellow dad who likes to tinker with old cars and drink lite beer in the garage.
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May 12, 2017 18:38
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poisonpill posted:Thanks for the write up on a terrible, terrible show. Was Paris supposed to be cool? Everything I've seen makes him seem like a pretty mellow dad who likes to tinker with old cars and drink lite beer in the garage. He was supposed to be Nick Lacarno.
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May 12, 2017 18:43
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Starbirds? That's Voltron mk2. Regardless. Type up the voice parts as A, B, C actor roles, then release the video on GBS for a million sweet parodies and internet stardom.
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May 12, 2017 18:49
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A thought I just had on the Doctor, a sort of reverse Tuvix or that episode where Torres both split into her two halves: Was there ever an episode where you had two Doctors operating independently and completely isolated from one another for whatever reason for extended periods of time via two separate systems (off-site, emergency back-up, mobile emitter, portable emitter, holodeck, etc.) for them to finally be 'reunited' but neither of them want to remerge their programing because they each feel like they'll lose their individual uniqueness that makes them THE Doctor and that the other is just a copy?
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May 12, 2017 18:54
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Why did the Enterprise D have the captain's yacht and The Voyager have the aeroshuttle and then never ever use them or reference them? With the D it's more subtle and only really shows up in technical books but in Voyager there's very clear "cool space plane" outline thing and it just never comes up?
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May 12, 2017 18:59
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Furthermore why was the battle bridge filled with boxes of old Xmas decorations and the crew's tax records some time after season 4?
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May 12, 2017 19:09
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Baronjutter posted:Why did the Enterprise D have the captain's yacht and The Voyager have the aeroshuttle and then never ever use them or reference them? With the D it's more subtle and only really shows up in technical books but in Voyager there's very clear "cool space plane" outline thing and it just never comes up? Any space scene that wasn't crucial to the plot was expensive and wasted screen time.
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Baronjutter posted:Why did the Enterprise D have the captain's yacht and The Voyager have the aeroshuttle and then never ever use them or reference them? With the D it's more subtle and only really shows up in technical books but in Voyager there's very clear "cool space plane" outline thing and it just never comes up? For TNG it's probably because they didn't build a model for the captain's yacht, but did build a shuttle model. Why spend the extra money when a shuttle will serve just as well? Honestly even with Voyager using CGI it is probably the same reason. CGI is cheaper, bit it isn't free.
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sweet geek swag posted:For TNG it's probably because they didn't build a model for the captain's yacht, but did build a shuttle model. Why spend the extra money when a shuttle will serve just as well? Honestly even with Voyager using CGI it is probably the same reason. CGI is cheaper, bit it isn't free. Yeah they can reuse that shuttle forever forever, plus they have the model. Double the model, double the stock footage, etc.
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May 12, 2017 20:03
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shovelbum posted:Any space scene that wasn't crucial to the plot was expensive and wasted screen time. Any scene that didn't show spaceships shooting at each other was cheap and wasted screen time. -twelve year-old me
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May 12, 2017 20:35
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Clark Nova posted:Any scene that didn't show spaceships shooting at each other was cheap and wasted screen time. Any scene that did show spaceships shooting at each other and not tawdry tng underboob and B'etor's centreboob cutout was cheap and wasted screen time -twelve year-old through present day me
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May 12, 2017 20:39
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Neddy Seagoon posted:And now anyone with half a brain can ask the obvious question; If they can go anywhere, why haven't they loving conquered everything yet? "You think in such three-dimensional terms."
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May 12, 2017 20:49
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Neddy Seagoon posted:until the Sphere pops out in Earth space in front of a waiting fleet of Starfleet ships... and explodes from the inside because Voyager somehow managed to get inside it It would have been good if B'Elanna explodes while giving birth, just like the Borg sphere.
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May 12, 2017 21:05
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Turns out it's a Trans-Warp Hub, one of only six in the galaxy, and can send Borg Cubes anywhere in any Quadrant of the galaxy. I always figured they had to send a ship there the old-fashioned way first, to "lay the track" for the shortcut thing. Maybe the cube from Best of Both Worlds was doing exactly that. After all, the conduit they used led directly to Earth.
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Powered Descent posted:I always figured they had to send a ship there the old-fashioned way first, to "lay the track" for the shortcut thing. Maybe the cube from Best of Both Worlds was doing exactly that. After all, the conduit they used led directly to Earth. It's best not to try to make the Borg make sense; you'll go cross-eyed after five minutes and have a seizure after 10. Just be glad they didn't get to do the episode they were planning for Enterprise's fifth season, which would have had Alice Krige as a brilliant science officer on the ship, but she gets assimilated and her intelligence manifests itself as the Queen. Because, you know, everything needs a goddamn origin story.
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You know if I was building a spaceship I would just carpet the whole loving thing. Like, you'd never have to sweep, your shoes are always gonna be clean.
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Which of you nerds read the novels and can tell me what happens to the characters after they get home? I assume it's like all bad fan fiction and they all go on to the absolute top of their fields. Tuvok is head of starfleet security, Tom Paris designs starships, or whatever, right?
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May 12, 2017 23:53
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The only good Star Trek novel is a DS9 one where Quark backs Odo in a poker tournament (Riker couldn't make it, btw). I forget why, but it was a fun read.
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FabioClone posted:Which of you nerds read the novels and can tell me what happens to the characters after they get home? I assume it's like all bad fan fiction and they all go on to the absolute top of their fields. Tuvok is head of starfleet security, Tom Paris designs starships, or whatever, right? I stopped reading Star Trek books ages ago but at some point I did breeze through a summary. All I remember is that at some point the Borg invade the alpha quadrant with a massive fleet - I guess because Voyager blew up the transwarp gate thing - and just start killing (as opposed to assimilating) mostly everything. I think Janeway gets for-real assimilated but also gets for-real killed after the Borg are defeated again. Ezri Dax from Deep Space 9 is the captain of the Defiant somewhere in there, which is about just as much fanfictiony as anything you could do with Voyager people.
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Timby posted:It's best not to try to make the Borg make sense; you'll go cross-eyed after five minutes and have a seizure after 10.
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For the record, here are the actual good episodes of Voyager; One Bride OF CHAOTICA! The Equinox Parts 1&2 One Small Step Pathfinder Critical Care Shattered Renaissance Man Nine episodes out of 172 in all, which means about 5.23% of Star Trek: Voyager is good.
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Which episodes are best for beating off to 7 of 9?
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Space Taxi posted:Which episodes are best for beating off to 7 of 9? The first one where is looks like a clammy lizard that was run over and brought back to health by a pc casemodder.
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For real though... I remember that part in Endgame. Does anyone have an explanation for how Voyager got inside the Borg sphere? Was there a scene cut for time or something?
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Mister Facetious posted:The only good Star Trek novel is a DS9 one where Quark backs Odo in a poker tournament (Riker couldn't make it, btw). I forget why, but it was a fun read. The one where Garak is the main character is good.
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Bucswabe posted:For real though... I remember that part in Endgame. Does anyone have an explanation for how Voyager got inside the Borg sphere? Was there a scene cut for time or something? There's a brief fumbled line of something like "I have an idea!" and then it just cuts to the Borg Sphere popping out in Earth space and exploding.
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