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Bloodnose posted:Letting US credit cards into China is huge if true. Especially for me, I want to use my American credit cards to buy crap in China finally You still can't use QQ and ali pay so you still can't buy street food with your phone. Just carry a giant stacks of Maos.
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Grouchio posted:So Trump signed a trade deal with China. What to make of this? trump is a paper tiger
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American farmers probably voted overwhelmingly for Trump and now they get to compete with heavily subsidized Salmonella chickens from China But it's okay because the CCP promised full and fair market access for American products and services for the billionth time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD8XxWeD2wc
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May 13, 2017 00:50
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This year will surely be the year the PRC economy completely melts down -forjar38, 2011- White people's deranged hatred for china is all the more hilarious given their own odious history of settler colonialism and genocide.
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May 13, 2017 00:52
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Peven Stan posted:This year will surely be the year the PRC economy completely melts down -forjar38, 2011- I agree, the Dzungar genocide and continued occupation of Tibet and Xinjiang are pretty messed up things.
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May 13, 2017 01:01
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stone cold posted:I agree, the Dzungar genocide and continued occupation of Tibet and Xinjiang are pretty messed up things. n-no... 我们中国人 can do no wrong...
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May 13, 2017 01:23
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stone cold posted:I agree, the Dzungar genocide and continued occupation of Tibet and Xinjiang are pretty messed up things. Nice whataboutism, typical from internet white males. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 13, 2017 01:23
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Peven Stan posted:Nice whataboutism, typical from internet white males. actually stone cold is filipinx you know, one of those  jungle asians that chinese like you deign to speak for but clearly don't see as anything more than warm bodies for you to talk over and walk over
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May 13, 2017 01:29
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China has been economically stagnant since about 2013 and is fast-tracking its way to irrelevance in the global economy.
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May 13, 2017 01:30
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Nice crocodile tears for a country that America literally owned from 1898 to the 40s. The racial insecurity is real, whites were real comfortable with asian people up until asian people started surpassing them. quote:China has been economically stagnant since about 2013 and is fast-tracking its way to irrelevance in the global economy. Said an increasingly anxious white man for the 500th time.
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May 13, 2017 01:31
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Fojar38 posted:Tell us more about your theories of racial hierarchy White people bad, poc good
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Peven Stan posted:Nice crocodile tears for a country that America literally owned from 1898 to the 40s. im actually chinese american, albeit one who doesnt believe in chinese race supremacy and acknowledges the harm a lot of chinese have done to non-chinese poc guess that makes me a race traitor to you
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May 13, 2017 01:34
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Peven Stan posted:White people bad, poc good Hmm, problematic
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May 13, 2017 01:35
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:im actually chinese american, albeit one who doesnt believe in chinese race supremacy and acknowledges the harm a lot of chinese have done to non-chinese poc you've been infected with white imperialism inherent to The West.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:you've been infected with white imperialism inherent to The West. welp guess i better go to wechat for deprogramming. joining some chinese for trump groups talking about how black people are subhuman and stealing their coddled brats' spots at harvard, and/or lusting for trump to kill all mexicans and muslims should do it!! Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 01:48 on May 13, 2017 |
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May 13, 2017 01:44
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Peven Stan posted:This year will surely be the year the PRC economy completely melts down -forjar38, 2011- Don't overgeneralize, Peven. Some of us feel China deserves the opportunity to catch up to our high score.  edit: oh, sure, a lot of the technology-differential low-hanging fruit has been plucked, but with the climatepocalypse right around the corner there's a whole new batch of imperialism and atrocity ready to be had.
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Peven Stan posted:Nice whataboutism, typical from internet white males. not a man, only partly white also lmao, way to take the tankie tack "the only imperialism is American imperialism" it's ok to acknowledge the fact that modern china is still empire at heart, friend like it's pretty dumb to ignore that whole scene esp. in light of that whole seizure of Uighur ids not six months ago more than one thing can be bad at once E: Peven Stan posted:Nice crocodile tears for a country that America literally owned from 1898 to the 40s. glad to know my identity is a punchline to you and automatically means apologizing to subjugators? like lmao, glad u think everybody besides han should gently caress off stone cold fucked around with this message at 01:55 on May 13, 2017 |
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May 13, 2017 01:52
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Don't overgeneralize, Peven. Some of us feel China deserves the opportunity to catch up to our high score. Hmm, was it china or the US that's run by AGW denying politicians?
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May 13, 2017 01:53
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Hey hey hosed Stone Cold, Britannia ruled these waves when the USA was still pirating novels! Although as a son of Irish immigrants I guess I should just be angry about that but we were pretty complicit in the whole project. I think we should all be held accountable for that imperialism but China should be forgiven and granted a blank slate for past crimes. Although I guess that means the Irish should also get a pass as we suffered. So I guess I can complain about current Han occupations? This is very complex, how exactly does one work out when to be up in arms over oppression?
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May 13, 2017 02:05
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Bloodnose posted:Letting US credit cards into China is huge if true. Especially for me, I want to use my American credit cards to buy crap in China finally So is that a way to get expatriated money back into china, or a way to expatriate more money? Or both?
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May 13, 2017 02:07
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Things should go both ways. We'll see what actually happens
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Don't overgeneralize, Peven. Some of us feel China deserves the opportunity to catch up to our high score. Though it only mentions China a few times, I'm gonna go ahead and call "The Windup Girl" a completely accurate historical account of the future.
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MrNemo posted:Hey hey hosed Stone Cold, Britannia ruled these waves when the USA was still pirating novels! Although as a son of Irish immigrants I guess I should just be angry about that but we were pretty complicit in the whole project. I think we should all be held accountable for that imperialism but China should be forgiven and granted a blank slate for past crimes. hey let me lean in and tell you a secret all oppression is bad and getting mad about what the prc is doing in xinjiang and tibet is a ok
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May 13, 2017 02:20
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:im actually chinese american, albeit one who doesnt believe in chinese race supremacy and acknowledges the harm a lot of chinese have done to non-chinese poc I'm Chinese Canadian and same. But I don't feel very Canadian any more even though I love Canada 
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Bloodnose posted:Things should go both ways. We'll see what actually happens You like 2 way don't you
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stone cold posted:also lmao, way to take the tankie tack "the only imperialism is American imperialism" imperialism being a specific stage of capitalism and not "a government doing things" goes all the way back to lenin and has plenty of theoretical backing. that definition clashing with a more broad use of the term doesn't make it an incorrect framework
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The only moral imperialism is my imperialism edit: Also did R Guyovich just claim that it's impossible to be imperialist without also being capitalist Even though there are empires of antiquity and "capitalism" in the Marxist sense didn't develop until relatively recently
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When I was studying abroad I found that the Canadians were more obnoxious than us Americans cause they would always do the same stupid poo poo and use the excuse that they weren't American. A couple of canadians randomly set off the fire extinguisher in the dorm and caused everybody to get a nasty meiwaku email from the university. Basically lets pretend this relates to China ok. *edit also im Taiwanese American so that makes us #1*
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Do Taiwanese abroad try to make it as obvious as possible that they're from Taiwan so that people know they aren't mainlanders?
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i dunno you have to ask somebody who actually grew up in Taiwan cause apparently I look more Korean than I do Taiwanese or Chinese. tbh there are some Taiwanese shithead tourists too. Can't let Mainland China have a monopoly.
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caberham posted:I'm Chinese Canadian and same. i like how peven stan ignores any han person who doesn't spout the same chinese first bullshit that he does lol how about this: poc rule white people drool chinese who suck up to white people and hate on the rest of nonwhite america to that end need to loving die, karmically at the hands of a white supremacist other chinese who look the other way when confronted with the chinese above, because "my people can do no wrong!!", can also get hosed Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 22:08 on May 13, 2017 |
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R. Guyovich posted:imperialism being a specific stage of capitalism and not "a government doing things" goes all the way back to lenin and has plenty of theoretical backing. that definition clashing with a more broad use of the term doesn't make it an incorrect framework Admittedly, Lenin's term has a lot to due to with the time he lived and the circumstances of the Russian Civil War when imperial powers were striking across the former Russian Empire. Also, the RSFSR/USSR was in many ways ahead of its time in the degree of cultural and linguistic autonomy it promised (although obviously not political autonomy). ----------------------------------- Also, China is far from irreverent to the world economy and it doesn't take a Han nationalist to see that. China obviously reached the end of its burst phase of industrial development, right now it is probably most comparable to the Soviet Union sometime in late 1960s/early 1970s. Admittedly, an advantage the Chinese have it their not tied to a single commodity like the Soviets were (oil). Ardennes fucked around with this message at 16:07 on May 13, 2017 |
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My layman's hot take is more of the opinion that while China's market reforms have allowed for a lot of growth and uplifting of prosperity for a lot of people, it's mainly on the backs of enabling some people to get rich; and while there are a lot of rich people when there wasn't before, and as a result a lot of people are less poor; most people are still poor. I think they've hit the limit of how much growth they get get from people wanting to be rich.
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Fojar38 posted:edit: Also did R Guyovich just claim that it's impossible to be imperialist without also being capitalist No.
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Peel posted:No. He referred to imperialism as a specific stage of capitalism, though. How can you be non-capitalist and imperialist?
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Raenir Salazar posted:My layman's hot take is more of the opinion that while China's market reforms have allowed for a lot of growth and uplifting of prosperity for a lot of people, it's mainly on the backs of enabling some people to get rich; and while there are a lot of rich people when there wasn't before, and as a result a lot of people are less poor; most people are still poor. I think they've hit the limit of how much growth they get get from people wanting to be rich. There was a big difference in development before and after 1990. After 1990 credit was subject to much more state control and vulnerable to the graft economy we've seen take over today while before 1990 it was much easier for random peasants with no connections to get credit and start a business. One guess as to what prompted that shift.
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Arglebargle III posted:There was a big difference in development before and after 1990. After 1990 credit was subject to much more state control and vulnerable to the graft economy we've seen take over today while before 1990 it was much easier for random peasants with no connections to get credit and start a business. Reaganomics with Chinese characteristics?
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R. Guyovich posted:imperialism being a specific stage of capitalism and not "a government doing things" goes all the way back to lenin and has plenty of theoretical backing. that definition clashing with a more broad use of the term doesn't make it an incorrect framework ok so are we pretending that xinjiang and tibet aren't exercises in imperialism like lmao for xinjiang it's in the name
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