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I just caught up on this season and it's a lot of fun, enjoyable television. I know y'all are having a lot of fun ripping it apart in here, but I just wanna say that my inner child is having a blast. This may have something to do with my policy of skipping "love interest" scenes. Without pointless CW drama this is like a goofy live action Dragonball Z and I love it. I'm catching up on Legends now as well, and I'm blown away by how much it's improved over last season. If the arrowverse can double down on dumb, fun action I'll be happy to forgive a lot of the missteps they've made.
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I just don't understand how he used a time remnant to defeat savitar and that time remnant became savitar there can't be a savitar to fight in the first place I don't get it, was this explained or am I missing something?
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May 11, 2017 21:37
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They should just rename the show "Speedforce" at this point and make it like Sliders, but instead of going to different dimensions he tries to fix whatever he's hosed via time traveling.
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May 11, 2017 21:43
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6-year plan man posted:I just don't understand how he used a time remnant to defeat savitar and that time remnant became savitar there can't be a savitar to fight in the first place I don't get it, was this explained or am I missing something? Savitar killed all the time remnants except the one that is Savitar. Barry locks Savitar away in the speed force. Surviving time remnant becomes bitter because nobody like the idea of two Barrys running around and becomes Savitar. Where it gets complicated is how freeing Savitar from the Speed force trap fits into things.
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May 11, 2017 21:48
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6-year plan man posted:I just don't understand how he used a time remnant to defeat savitar and that time remnant became savitar there can't be a savitar to fight in the first place I don't get it, was this explained or am I missing something? ...It's a loop. There isn't a first place.
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May 11, 2017 21:57
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Savitar did mention Flashpoint so that probably had something to do with it.
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May 11, 2017 22:15
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hamsystem posted:They should just rename the show "Speedforce" at this point and make it like Sliders, but instead of going to different dimensions he tries to fix whatever he's hosed via time traveling. FWIW thats basically what they retooled Legends of Tomorrow into.
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May 11, 2017 23:04
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Yeah but where did he get the suit?
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May 11, 2017 23:36
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Hollismason posted:Yeah but where did he get the suit? Well, Gideon says Barry built her, so at some point in the future I guess Barry becomes a genius inventor? Or Tracy Brand built/will build it (time travel makes verb tenses hard) either under duress or because she's secretly evil or because she becomes evil through superscience mishaps.
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May 12, 2017 00:10
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This is all fun conversation, but seriously, what is the McGuffin?
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May 12, 2017 00:16
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Sudden Loud Noise posted:This is all fun conversation, but seriously, what is the McGuffin?
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May 12, 2017 00:23
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Is there a reason why Killer Frost cared about helping Savitar?
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May 12, 2017 01:09
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WhyteRyce posted:Is there a reason why Killer Frost cared about helping Savitar? Looking for reasons is a black hole that you'll never escape from.
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May 12, 2017 01:12
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WhyteRyce posted:Is there a reason why Killer Frost cared about helping Savitar? He promised to take away her powers, or did I just imagine that?
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May 12, 2017 01:17
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Don't think it's been revealed what she's getting out of it yet, or if it has I missed it. I assumed like, bringing Ronnie back or some poo poo? Who knows, they've written the whole Killer Frost thing so badly. Why does her getting her powers activated make her basically like Angelus or whatever?
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May 12, 2017 01:36
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WhyteRyce posted:Is there a reason why Killer Frost cared about helping Savitar? He promised to "kill" Caitlyn so she would be Killer Frost forever.
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May 12, 2017 01:36
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One of these days, someone in this thread is going to post a question about something that happened on this show and the response is going to be a full page of Speedforce gifs.
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May 12, 2017 01:40
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I don't have any idea what the gently caress Savitar is and I make the choice not to care and just enjoy the ride. Time travel is dumb.
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May 12, 2017 02:00
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Season 4 Big Bad confirmed.
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May 12, 2017 05:08
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Xelkelvos posted:Barry creates Time Remnants to fight Savitar -> Savitar is defeated and a Time Remnant remains -> Time Remnant becomes Savitar and gets trapped in the Speed Force -> Events of S3, Iris Dies -> repeat. But that's still not really a plothole with the way The Flash handles time travel because there's no issue with two of the same individual coexisting at the same time, and it's not like leftover Barry turned evil right away. Presumably he just moped around for a long time before going crazy, going through all that stuff about all his friends not accepting him because they already had a Barry, then at some point got the suit and set everything in motion. The problem is there's no initial point for suit Savitar that we know of. To look at it from the time remnant perspective: Time remnant is created > Time remnant goes crazy from Iris dying, lack of support, whatever > Time remnant gets suit and becomes Savitar > ??? > Savitar escapes from Speed Force in S3 and kills Iris > Savitar runs loose for four years before getting trapped in Speed Force So far all of Savitar's interactions with Team Flash have been shortly before or after he escapes from the Speed Force, the Savitar Emo Barry traps in the Speed Force is seemingly the same one who escaped a few years earlier, so what was Savitar doing after getting the suit? But it's easier to just assume now that this Savitar is from a parallel timeline where Barry never figured out who Savitar was, since Emo Barry didn't know but our Barry does.
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May 12, 2017 06:59
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thebardyspoon posted:Don't think it's been revealed what she's getting out of it yet, or if it has I missed it. I assumed like, bringing Ronnie back or some poo poo? Who knows, they've written the whole Killer Frost thing so badly. Why does her getting her powers activated make her basically like Angelus or whatever? Because the writers abhor any notion of actual character motivations or development. Bad people are bad because they are bad and good people are good because they are good. Beep boop.
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May 12, 2017 07:04
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It's so Cisco can hit her with another happy memory and she rejoins team Flash, maybe after a motivational talk from Snart about being a cold based bad guy and learning to do the right thing, all just in time to wrap up the season. Also I expect the cheap drama will be Julian being killed because no way he stays on as a member of the team for season 4 and no way they get rid of Wally "Better than Flash in every way" West by killing him or depowering him.
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May 12, 2017 08:29
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Would be neat if Caitlyn did rejoin but remain killer frost.
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May 12, 2017 09:30
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Avalerion posted:Would be neat if Caitlyn did rejoin but remain killer frost. That would be the best possible outcome for Killer Frost, so it won't be what happens.
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May 12, 2017 09:45
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irlZaphod posted:Someone post the clip from the Star Trek TNG finale where Picard in his jammies explains a time paradox to Riker. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFGfWrJR5Ck Kilson fucked around with this message at 14:44 on May 12, 2017 |
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May 12, 2017 14:41
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May 12, 2017 14:49
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Last episode, Barry's going to create the time remnants anyways. One will survive. "Why'd you do it, Bare?" they'll say. "Sorry guys, it was on an impulse." They'll decide to be nice to him instead of shunning him and he'll ask to be called Bart.
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May 12, 2017 21:31
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GigaPeon posted:Last episode, Barry's going to create the time remnants anyways. One will survive. And then after a couple episodes of build up at the start of Season 4, he'll decide to go over to Earth-2 to be the Flash there so that Jessie can come back to Earth-1 and be with Wally and Jay can finally get out of Speed Hell and go back to Earth-3. Just so that Grant Gustin doesn't have to spend all that time acting against himself via greenscreen.
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May 12, 2017 22:41
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Why did they call Barry in to check out the Speed Force Bazooka? He didn't have anything to do with it and they know Savitar will know everything he learns!
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May 12, 2017 23:08
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Aren't time remnants created by travelling a half a second back (forward?) in time? Why couldn't the leftover time remnant just go back to when he came from?
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May 13, 2017 03:17
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lotus circle posted:Season 4 Big Bad confirmed. Once again Reverse Flash is the real hero!
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May 13, 2017 03:19
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McSpanky posted:Why did they call Barry in to check out the Speed Force Bazooka? He didn't have anything to do with it and they know Savitar will know everything he learns! "Barry- We need you to go on vacation for a bit. We're working on a plan to defeat Savitar but it will only work if you don't know what it is."
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May 13, 2017 03:33
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McSpanky posted:Why did they call Barry in to check out the Speed Force Bazooka? He didn't have anything to do with it and they know Savitar will know everything he learns! Reverse_flash_theyre_idiots.gif
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May 13, 2017 04:07
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There's this weird reversal of competence that's like the inverse ninja law or the storm trooper effect that all of the CW shows except maybe Supergirl has where, in order to balance the fact there's almost a half dozen people on the heroes side, they have to be dumbed down or the villains made hyper competent to even the odds.
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May 13, 2017 04:30
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nelson posted:"Barry- We need you to go on vacation for a bit. We're working on a plan to defeat Savitar but it will only work if you don't know what it is." I know that "why doesn't Spiderman just call The Avengers for help?" is a well-worn dumb comics thing, but seriously. This is the exact specific situation where he really should be calling his other superhero friends for help
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May 13, 2017 06:01
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oh jay posted:Aren't time remnants created by travelling a half a second back (forward?) in time? Why couldn't the leftover time remnant just go back to when he came from? Not like time travel on the show has been consistent with this, but the idea is that bringing the remnant back to the present changes the future, the timeline he's from no longer exists so there's nowhere to go back to.
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May 13, 2017 06:29
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Guy Goodbody posted:I know that "why doesn't Spiderman just call The Avengers for help?" is a well-worn dumb comics thing, but seriously. This is the exact specific situation where he really should be calling his other superhero friends for help The episode where they did just this for the Reverse-Flash loving ruled so I don't see why not. The universe is bigger now but Savitar is a bigger threat, it could be pretty amazing.
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Guy Goodbody posted:I know that "why doesn't Spiderman just call The Avengers for help?" is a well-worn dumb comics thing, but seriously. This is the exact specific situation where he really should be calling his other superhero friends for help McSpanky posted:The episode where they did just this for the Reverse-Flash loving ruled so I don't see why not. The universe is bigger now but Savitar is a bigger threat, it could be pretty amazing. From what I've read this year the producers of each show are reticent to do small crossovers and cross-show continuity bits like they did before because they think they've shot themselves in the foot by having so many successful shows in the same universe. They've rationalized it by saying "we don't want to assign our audience homework" by allegedly forcing them to keep up with the entire CWverse to understand how show A was suddenly affected by something major happening on show C (like how the Legends breaking the gently caress out of time, and then ending their season three months before every other series didn't result in dinosaurs running around on Flash and Arrow of the rest of their runs this year). And to an extent, I get that, especially with the wacky bullshit Legends gets up to, that stuff kind of does need to be partitioned behind watertight doors at times, but they've kind of gone overboard with the philosophy and have applied it to the whole drat universe this year, the mandated yearly crossover specials notwithstanding. And I think that's a little insulting to their audience's intelligence... but not by loving much because your average TV viewing family is dumb as poo poo on a good day.
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May 13, 2017 10:45
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nine-gear crow posted:From what I've read this year the producers of each show are reticent to do small crossovers and cross-show continuity bits like they did before because they think they've shot themselves in the foot by having so many successful shows in the same universe. They've rationalized it by saying "we don't want to assign our audience homework" by allegedly forcing them to keep up with the entire CWverse to understand how show A was suddenly affected by something major happening on show C (like how the Legends breaking the gently caress out of time, and then ending their season three months before every other series didn't result in dinosaurs running around on Flash and Arrow of the rest of their runs this year). That's hilarious considering how implausibly the Reverse Flash takedown fit into Ollie's story at that time anyway; you'd think you'd have to watch that week's Arrow to understand where it fit, but doing that just ends up confusing you even more, and you'd have to do a bunch of contortions of the timeline to make it fit. Then again, contortions of the timeline are what Barry's best at anyway.
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That was an episode where whacky things were happening in a lighthearted way - I know this because of the plinky plonky music in the background. I would have been confused if that wasn't there.
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