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i kissed the blue nerd alien instead of the warrior lady
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cat doter posted:I have very little patience with that kind of "it's a waste of time" elitism, like any one medium is inherently more meaningful than the other to the individual video games are for children
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May 14, 2017 01:08
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Saints Row 4 is better because you can kiss everybody Except Keith David 
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May 14, 2017 01:09
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Puppy Galaxy posted:video games are for children i saw a boob in a viddeo game onece
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May 14, 2017 01:11
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Hegelbon more or less had his start on more philosophical work and used to make sports and literature minded stuff, so y'alls fanfic of Cushbomb enlightening and owning everyone into pillars of anger with his non-like of videogames would last for 4 seconds on where he'd just change hats and have a pleasant convo where Cush would be able to nicely have a non-ironic convo on perceptions of media without being super antagonistic.
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May 14, 2017 01:12
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video games are for responsible adults with careers
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May 14, 2017 01:14
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I paid the toilet in the mall with my card and the door didn't open
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May 14, 2017 01:43
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Video games can be good but for most of their history have not been given the serious critical scrutiny that would open up space for more intellectually adventurous work. Matt's article explores some related problems with tv, where the critical culture exists, certainly with a greater degree of influence than the culture of games criticism does in the games industry at large, but is ecstatically positive to a fault, praising one series after another that doesn't actually do much different from the rest of TV at large, taking the veneer of philosophical complexity in something like Westworld and blowing it up far beyond its actual merit while ignoring how most "prestige tv" stylistically regurgitates the advances made by Sopranos et al. I disagree with Matt that the material context of TV production intrinsically holds it back, but his criticisms of TV criticism itself are solid. "So you'll have a steakburger then?"
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May 14, 2017 01:56
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What does receive serious critical scrutiny? Movie criticism is just fat youtube nerds doing Lootcrate unboxings in between sining the praises of comic book movies, and nobody gives a poo poo about book reviews
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May 14, 2017 02:01
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honestly I feel like serious critical scrutiny is something games get plenty, maybe in excess of other mediums, especially TV the "gamer" crowd gets whipped up into a frenzy so much just because they expect the same kind of ignorant praise other "nerd stuff" gets, they don't want anything other than base consumption and criticism intersects with reviews so much in the games press that they very rarely actually get that
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May 14, 2017 02:03
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I Before E posted:Matt's article explores some related problems with tv, where the critical culture exists, certainly with a greater degree of influence than the culture of games criticism does in the games industry at large, but is ecstatically positive to a fault, praising one series after another that doesn't actually do much different from the rest of TV at large, taking the veneer of philosophical complexity in something like Westworld and blowing it up far beyond its actual merit while ignoring how most "prestige tv" stylistically regurgitates the advances made by Sopranos et al. so critical tv culture does or does not exist?
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May 14, 2017 02:04
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Guy Goodbody posted:What does receive serious critical scrutiny? Movie criticism is just fat youtube nerds doing Lootcrate unboxings in between sining the praises of comic book movies, and nobody gives a poo poo about book reviews That's a super reductive view of both film and literary criticism yoober posted:so critical tv culture does or does not exist? It does, but it's seriously flawed. The same is true with games criticism.
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May 14, 2017 02:05
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I mean the bulk of games criticism isn't very good, but for different reasons I think most of the people writing video game criticism seem to be like english lit dropouts or basement obsessives and there's very little like good in cultural context criticism, and so many writers miss the most basic details that it can be pretty frustrating to read that stuff importantly though they actually make the attempt rather than just riding a wave
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May 14, 2017 02:16
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The problem with video game criticism is that video games loving suck
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May 14, 2017 02:18
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The problem with tv criticism is exemplified by the fact Emily Nussbaum won a Pulitzer despite the fact she wrote this poo poo. Also, I'm not going to pretend film and literary crit don't have these same sort of white noise writers, hell, Nussbaum shares a magazine with Anthony Lane, who essentially writes two page surface level summaries that wouldn't be acceptable on Letterboxd, but they've had time to grow past that sort of entry level stuff that TV and game criticism haven't. I Before E fucked around with this message at 02:40 on May 14, 2017 |
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May 14, 2017 02:20
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yoober posted:so critical tv culture does or does not exist? tv criticism is just fanboy gushing and hollow thinkpieces
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May 14, 2017 02:39
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TV reviews are garbo. That said what Matt piece is this?
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May 14, 2017 02:58
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Saerdna posted:I paid the toilet in the mall with my card and the door didn't open Apparently they don't take Applebees gift cards
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May 14, 2017 03:01
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You know what to do https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/863577724018802688
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May 14, 2017 03:14
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Magic Hate Ball posted:The problem with video game criticism is that video games loving suck Sorry but Nintendo still rules.
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May 14, 2017 03:49
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Jonas Albrecht posted:Sorry but Nintendo still rules. Sent from Nintendo Switch
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May 14, 2017 04:00
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You are all extreme nerds
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Sushi in Yiddish posted:You know what to do no kelly anne or multiple answers. poor form, jeet.
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May 14, 2017 04:17
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The problem with Games criticism is a light feminist critique has caused a 3 year melt down that continues to this day.
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May 14, 2017 04:19
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there's absolutely a causal link between video games and fascism
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May 14, 2017 04:57
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Team_q posted:The problem with Games criticism is a light feminist critique has caused a 3 year melt down that continues to this day. tbf tension had been building up for a while, there was a ton of angry protogamergate controversy over gone home a good year beforehand, until until the cuckgate broke and they advanced upon the stupidest hill to die upon
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May 14, 2017 05:29
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I Before E posted:Saints Row 4 is better because you can kiss everybody
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May 14, 2017 05:52
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exmarx posted:there's absolutely a causal link between video games and fascism theres not but i encourage you to try and show that there is one
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May 14, 2017 07:08
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Hitler and Mussolini were avid DOOM players, often setting up worldwide LAN parties.
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May 14, 2017 07:20
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Obstacle2 posted:theres not but i encourage you to try and show that there is one it's definitely correlated at least, weirdo shut in losers are more likely than not to play video games, but if there was a causal link there'd be a hell of a lot more fascists than there are now
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May 14, 2017 07:59
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Phobophilia posted:tbf tension had been building up for a while, there was a ton of angry protogamergate controversy over gone home a good year beforehand, until until the cuckgate broke and they advanced upon the stupidest hill to die upon Or when Assassin's Creed was being produced by Jade Raymond, who had the temerity to speak out in public about women in the games industry and the challenges they face, and the reactions were a mixture of 1) "you aren't actually producing the game, you're just a publicity stunt" (back then "virtue signalling" and "SJW" hadn't been invented yet), and 2) "shut up you whore."
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The games as art discussion has been played to death. There's a lot of artistic talent that goes into games but only rarely is a game an expression of someone's artistic views. This is why the chapo friends are so tickled by MGS in their adulthood, this goofy seemingly Tom Clancy Japanese thing is actually an interesting execution of a specific persons weird views and expression and there are actual little messages buried in there. As a medium it's not well suited to a vast amount of topics due to its primary audiences, not a lot of games take topics like racism, sexism, politics etc, head on in a way that is enlightening or really exploring some human narrative in a way that hasn't been tread to death in cliches by a zillion works of pop art before it in other mediums. When I play a serious or narrative heavy game now I ask myself "ok but would this be way less clumsy and awkward if it were just a drat good book or movie or short story or something?" And usually the answer is yes In summary, me in 2010: "games... can they be art??" Me in 2017: 
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a cyberpunk goose posted:As a medium it's not well suited to a vast amount of topics due to its primary audiences, not a lot of games take topics like racism, sexism, politics etc, head on in a way that is enlightening or really exploring some human narrative in a way that hasn't been tread to death in cliches by a zillion works of pop art before it in other mediums. you also gotta consider the kind of person who would go work for a video game company in the first place
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Team_q posted:The problem with Games criticism is a light feminist critique has caused a 3 year melt down that continues to this day. If you give a single poo poo about I grew up chewing on controller cables and that was, and continues to be, deeply embarrassing. Matt's right, games are trash and gamers eat trash. I'd actually love to hear them opine on Gamerhate exposing these manchildren who require hyper-masculine safe spaces.
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May 14, 2017 15:30
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Guy Goodbody posted:What does receive serious critical scrutiny? Movie criticism is just fat youtube nerds doing Lootcrate unboxings in between sining the praises of comic book movies, and nobody gives a poo poo about book reviews Like I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that the Dry Boys don't really "get" BvS.  This is relevant to their work, because they often talk about how the average person can't read culture because class consciousness in the USA has been systematically ground down and atomized into nothingness, leading to liberals looking in the wrong places, freaking out about phenomena like "cultural appropriation" and only seeing critique of the establishment in terms of notional consumer choices. Simply put, most people get no education in how to read film or television. If you're like me, you got a segment in your 10th grade English class in how to read things like character archetypes and conflict in a story, and how to read the plot of a short story. But Star Wars and The Avengers have a greater effect on popular ideology than like, "The Scarlet Ibis" or whatever.
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May 14, 2017 15:55
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Die Sexmonster! posted:If you give a single poo poo about Gamers are probably like YouTubers: too pathetic to go after. But I still want them to because it would be funny.
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May 14, 2017 16:46
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Halloween Jack posted:One thing I've found disappointing is that people who do a podcast I really like, when they start doing movie reviews, just repeat dumb man-on-the-street stuff. BvS is a garbage movie for angry teenagers
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May 14, 2017 17:21
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When will the Chapo boys have SMG on the show..??
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May 14, 2017 17:25
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Magic Hate Ball posted:When will the Chapo boys have SMG on the show..?? no why
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Antti posted:Or when Assassin's Creed was being produced by Jade Raymond, who had the temerity to speak out in public about women in the games industry and the challenges they face, and the reactions were a mixture of 1) "you aren't actually producing the game, you're just a publicity stunt" (back then "virtue signalling" and "SJW" hadn't been invented yet), and 2) "shut up you whore." And then later, in 2015, Amy Hennig said this "I get upset when the narrative around women and gaming is that it’s a hostile place because I’ve never experienced that in 26 years. If anything it was an absolute bastion for me, a pioneer medium where I felt welcome. I think the Internet is hostile, I think gamer culture can be hostile but people should not conflate that with our industry,” And was harassed and attacked by a bunch of women and bearded white guys for speaking out of turn and not checking her privilege.
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