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RagnarokZ posted:I guess the new Paradox thing is to set up with developers, who hasn't had the best publishers before. Makes sense, lots of good, viable games out there which have been dicked over. Paradox becoming something of an anti-EA could really punt them into the big leagues.
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Janissary Hop posted:Can someone tell me how Jon Shafer got a job anywhere let alone at Paradox after ruining the Civilization series He worked on the expansions to Civ 4, which are widely regarded as being a large factor in what makes that game brilliant, and on Civ 5, which is currently the most played Civ game. I think you might be full of poo poo.
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Civ 5 is the most popular because its essentially a smartphone game
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Larry Parrish posted:Civ 5 is the most popular because its essentially a smartphone game Oh please, that's a load of bull. I don't like a lot of the design decisions in 5, but that's because I think they're frustrating to engage with, not because they're too simplistic or whatever.
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Yeah that's really unfair to Shafer, and I say that as someone who thinks Civ V is the worst in the series. Also a game taking a long time to arrive is not the same thing as ripping off Kickstarter, hope that helps you, Insufferable Twat. 
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nessin posted:Some people actually like the new Civilization games. Some people like like a lot of things! Good for them. Gort posted:He worked on the expansions to Civ 4, which are widely regarded as being a large factor in what makes that game brilliant, and on Civ 5, which is currently the most played Civ game. I think you might be full of poo poo. Widely regarded by who? Video game reviewers? People who play on chieftain and build every building and every wonder in every city? Because Shaffer was only lead on BtS and here's a shocker: BtS was so bad as to almost ruin Civ 4 by itself with terrible ideas like espionage, "colonization," the useless blimp unit the AI loves to spam, the useless protective trait, and the useless corporations system. BtS was a sign of things to come, just introduce whatever you see in kitchen sink user mods without any thought of how to actually implement it well or integrate it with existing systems. Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Oh please, that's a load of bull. I don't like a lot of the design decisions in 5, but that's because I think they're frustrating to engage with, not because they're too simplistic or whatever. It's physically impossible to lose a game of either Civ 5 or 6 (aka Civ 5.5) because the AI is completely incapable of working with 1upt and hexes. I mean I guess you could still lose if, somehow, you let an AI do nothing but tech to a passive victory, but you'd have to have something wrong with your brain. Maybe in Civ 7 they'll spend more money on AI than artists!
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Mister Adequate posted:Yeah that's really unfair to Shafer, and I say that as someone who thinks Civ V is the worst in the series. How many people who funded in 2013 do you think would have done so if they knew there would be no release in sight in May 2017? For a game with an original release date of "not some time after May 2017 idk when time to start a new job in Sweden." Seems like they got ripped off to me.
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civ 5 more like poo poo 5
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Stairmaster posted:civ 5 Good poo poo 5, yes
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I stopped playing civilization after I started playing Paradox games to be honest.
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5 is the one that's just Revolutions on steroids, right?Kainser posted:I stopped playing civilzation after I started playing Paradox games to be honest. 
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Kainser posted:I stopped playing civilization after I started playing Paradox games to be honest. Agreed. Four is still the best one.
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[extremely actually voice]: while Civ 4 did do a lot to improve ICS problems, suicide siege units were very unverisimilitudinous, and for that reason Civ 3 is the best one of the series.
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The only thing Civ III did better was the throneroom/palace.
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MazelTovCocktail posted:5 is the one that's just Revolutions on steroids, right? No, it's nothing like Revolutions. Janissary Hop posted:Widely regarded by who? Video game reviewers? People who play on chieftain and build every building and every wonder in every city? Because Shaffer was only lead on BtS and here's a shocker: BtS was so bad as to almost ruin Civ 4 by itself with terrible ideas like espionage, "colonization," the useless blimp unit the AI loves to spam, the useless protective trait, and the useless corporations system. BtS was a sign of things to come, just introduce whatever you see in kitchen sink user mods without any thought of how to actually implement it well or integrate it with existing systems. Almost every single Civ IV fan I've seen insists that BtS is the best thing to happen to it.
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Kavak posted:The only thing Civ III did better was the throneroom/palace. + era-specific leader portraits (Caveman Lincoln) and OST bangers. Lol though if you love Civ 4 and hate Civ 5. All Civ games are 99 percent the same game.
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Mister Adequate posted:Yeah that's really unfair to Shafer, and I say that as someone who thinks Civ V is the worst in the series. At The Gates is vapourware and Jon Shafer ripped me off
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SMAC was the best civilisation bar none.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:SMAC was the best civilisation bar none. SMAC still had the awful city-level unit support mechanics and an AI that didn't know how to use Supply Crawlers
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May 14, 2017 03:35
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ITT we talk about Civilization games. I'm just glad Paradox is making strategy games
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gradenko_2000 posted:SMAC still had the awful city-level unit support mechanics and an AI that didn't know how to use Supply Crawlers And yet.
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I played Civ 2 so much back in high school that one day I uninstalled it and broke the CD in half because I was going to fail all of my exams if I didn't throw that game out of my life and that's the best Civ has ever been. Alpha Centauri is the best 4X though.
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Stellaris should have been a single-planet ideology/personality-driven colonization simulator
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Stellaris should have been a single-planet ideology/personality-driven colonization simulator It should have been a 19th century industrialization/colonization simulator.
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it should have been ck2 in space
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is should have been empire of the fading sun with the serial numbers filed off
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Glass of Milk posted:ITT we talk about Civilization games. Truthfully I think a lot of people here transition from Civ to Paradox. The biggest point of contention is what game did it for you. I mean I know there totally different, but man Paradox scratched a historical itch in a way that Civ never could, and I just could never find myself going back afterwards for any long period of time.
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they should have paid the distant worlds people to make a game instead of making a bad copy of it themselves
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corn in the bible posted:they should have paid the distant worlds people to make a game instead of making a bad copy of it themselves arent those guys making a sequel? sounds like a good pickup for pdoxes publishing branch.
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gradenko_2000 posted:SMAC still had the awful city-level unit support mechanics and an AI that didn't know how to use Supply Crawlers I don't either so it's fair. Seriously i've played that game since the 1999 demo came out and never figured out supply crawlers.
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Building every secret project in the game in one turn was really fun
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Another year without Victoria III, massive riots are breaking out all over Europe as nerds have had enough
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Thanks for making me check up on At the Gates, thread. Turns out they have another album coming in 2018!
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The KR panel was great, half the "history of KR" presentation was about modder drama and every fight for control since 2006. They barely talked about any development milestones except for when they moved to a new game.
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Agean90 posted:arent those guys making a sequel? sounds like a good pickup for pdoxes publishing branch. Stellaris 2 looking good
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