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This top 8 is a thousand times better than it would have been if Cat wasn't banned, and it's much better than anything during Aether Revolt standard. They've gotta stop printing stuff like Company and Marvel that uses variance as a balancing mechanic, though. SlitherBlade.dec counts as UW Fliers. Rhonas's Monument, great in UW Fliers.
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So the current leader for draft master is... Travis Woo
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Hellsau posted:This top 8 is a thousand times better than it would have been if Cat wasn't banned, and it's much better than anything during Aether Revolt standard. They've gotta stop printing stuff like Company and Marvel that uses variance as a balancing mechanic, though. CoCo was, or perhaps even is, simply too good given its performance in standard and modern. Marvel, on the other hand, might just be too tilting. The Marvel player remembers every time they hit Servant of the Conduit when Ulamog would have won, and the Marvel opponent only remembers them hitting Ulamog every drat time.
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May 14, 2017 05:04
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I remember every time I hit a Noble Hierarch and nothing else. Mostly because it's about 20% of my Companies.
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May 14, 2017 05:15
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Elyv posted:So the current leader for draft master is... oh god i hope all his decks have white in them, give me this gift please
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May 14, 2017 05:16
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Elyv posted:So the current leader for draft master is...  I kinda love that he's good at this game, just so that WotC has to dance around his weirdness while celebrating his accomplishments. Like, I want these interviews where they don't let him actually talk because they're terrified of the nonsense he's liable to say.
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May 14, 2017 05:34
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Soul Glo posted:
"So.. w-what do you have to thank your success at the game?" "Uh my special ninja tabi that allow me to absorb energy from the earth, my habit of walking down stairs backwards, and my avacados."
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May 14, 2017 05:40
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Marketing New Brain posted:CoCo was, or perhaps even is, simply too good given its performance in standard and modern. Marvel, on the other hand, might just be too tilting. The Marvel player remembers every time they hit Servant of the Conduit when Ulamog would have won, and the Marvel opponent only remembers them hitting Ulamog every drat time. The power level of Company was on the high end for standard but totally on par for modern. IMHO it would have been fine in standard if not for the sick UW tempo creatures you could hit off of it. Marvel on the other hand was just a bafflingly bad idea to print, especially when it was intended to be in standard with emrakul for a year.
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May 14, 2017 05:46
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Elyv posted:So the current leader for draft master is... knew the answer before i highlighted, blech
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May 14, 2017 07:27
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mandatory lesbian posted:oh god i hope all his decks have white in them, give me this gift please You really seem to want to hammer home this "Travis Woo is a white supremacist" thing, don't you? Despite the fact that the guy just mentioned the Nazis once and then has never talked about it again, in any context, at least as far as I know. I mean, the guy is crazy, yes, but calling him literally a National Socialist is kind of pushing it. Also White is pretty strong in Amonkhet - you have stuff like Cast Out and such in it!
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May 14, 2017 07:59
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I'm going to go out on a limb here with a controversial take: if you only one time say that the Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves by taking over the German media and banks until the German people were left with no other choice, that's still one time too many.
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May 14, 2017 08:35
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Lottery of Babylon posted:I'm going to go out on a limb here with a controversial take: if you only one time say that the Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves by taking over the German media and banks until the German people were left with no other choice, that's still one time too many. asking for a friend, but what if you only say that like maybe four or five times, but three of those times people thought you were joking? asking for a friend also my friend says you're going down stairs wrong. e: seriously though it's good that Woo has good results and might even get a Worlds slot. Mentally ill people need to see that they too can succeed in the world while expousing truly crazy ideas. e2: Travis Woo as a role model isn't perfect but it's better than nothing. Hellsau fucked around with this message at 08:43 on May 14, 2017 |
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May 14, 2017 08:40
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It's a stinkpile they hope to never have to touch. There'd be as much noise if they acted preemptively, as if he actually top 8ed.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:I'm going to go out on a limb here with a controversial take: if you only one time say that the Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves by taking over the German media and banks until the German people were left with no other choice, that's still one time too many. Sure. And from what I recall he then apologized for what he said and say he didn't mean for it to come out that way. Which is totally the behavior of a hard-line anti-semite. I sure know that when I see a bunch of skinheads have a rally here, they always stop to explain that when the say "stomp the kikes" they don't actually mean it. My point, if I even have one, is this - Travis Woo is probably a literal crazy person (as in, I think he might have some kind of mental disorder, so it always feels kind of bad to make fun of him), so acting like he started burning crosses and hanging people is kind of pushing it too far.
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I dunno, he's put out some weird videos with racially charged titles (didn't watch though because lmao). It's less that he's racist and more that he'll loving believe anything enough people tell him and apparently a lot of people have been telling him about anti-white racism, jewish conspiracies and Donald Trump.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnk7xYTvUG0 I just want to point out that in the first two minutes (all I watched) of his SAFETY NETS WILL MAKE YOU WEAK video, Woo, while walking on a resort beach, talks pointedly about the spoiled sons of Genghis Khan, who squandered his empire and were 'soft'. I feel like that criticism holds a lot more weight from the successful son of a conqueror like Alexander the Great, instead of the man playing pretend wizard that looks like he's doing Gandalf cosplay. I'm not sure if I'm more surprised he's an anti semite, or that he's even particularly good at limited. I thought he was known for constructed deck brewing.
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Jenx posted:You really seem to want to hammer home this "Travis Woo is a white supremacist" thing, don't you? Despite the fact that the guy just mentioned the Nazis once and then has never talked about it again, in any context, at least as far as I know. Jenx posted:Sure. And from what I recall he then apologized for what he said and say he didn't mean for it to come out that way. Which is totally the behavior of a hard-line anti-semite. I sure know that when I see a bunch of skinheads have a rally here, they always stop to explain that when the say "stomp the kikes" they don't actually mean it. you are reading way too much into me making fun of him for saying that jews controlled the media. i'm gonna keep calling him a nazi, it's not like he'll care so why should you
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It just feels like making fun of a mentally handicapped kid. *shrug* But hey, you do you. Also, if he has gone on about this stuff more, maybe he just is an rear end in a top hat. Like I said - I don't tend to watch a lot of Travis Woo.
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May 14, 2017 09:27
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So if we could move on from creeping fascism, I feel like the bans made Standard both a good format and one I personally have no interest in playing. It seems like every deck is just slamming creatures to the board and turning them sideways or just waiting for their slot machine to hit jackpot, neither archetype particularly interests me.
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Jenx posted:It just feels like making fun of a mentally handicapped kid. I know Ninja Bear Delver was a lovely brew but that's going way too far.
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May 14, 2017 13:01
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TWoo is that crazy friend you have that is good natured but tells you that government chemtrails are real and that the Earth is flat and you just need to "look into it for yourself"
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May 14, 2017 13:13
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80s James Hetfield posted:TWoo is that crazy friend you have that is good natured but tells you that government chemtrails are real and that the Earth is flat and you just need to "look into it for yourself" Also he talks like a low rent self-help guru and he has a massive ego. But granted, he can apparently play magic.
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May 14, 2017 13:17
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So do I join the TWoo cult or do I just sign up for the bi-weekly newsletter?
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May 14, 2017 13:19
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lol fatal push is a 9 dollar uncommon right now
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May 14, 2017 13:20
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80s James Hetfield posted:lol fatal push is a 9 dollar uncommon right now
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May 14, 2017 14:06
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Count Bleck posted:Maybe I should start asking for Aether Revolt packs for winnings at my LGS instead of Amonkhet. Not quite, but probably as more Amonkhet gets opened and prices start to dip. Aether Revolt has the Dragon's Maze problem where almost all the cards are worth gently caress-all.
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None of you asked, but here are my stray thoughts after playing about 30 games on MTGO from the perspective of a guy who played from Revised through Ice Age returning to the game after 20 years (holy poo poo I'm old). 1) The game is much, much more complex than it used to be. There are so many new mechanics! Cycling, flash casting, exile, etc. The game is only superficially recognizable from when I played. So much so that... 2) Magic works better as a computer game than a table top game. There's so many counters and technical triggered timing effects and reshuffling that playing with physical cards seems like it would take forever, keeping track of all the counters would be burdensome and playing by the rules would be a challenge (ie, it must be very easy to cheat compared to my day). 3) I don't blame WOTC for making the changes they did, though. Without constantly adding new mechanics the game would have fizzled out long ago. There's only so many variants of the basic types of cards that existed in 1995 you could come up with before things got really stagnant and people would have lost interest. 4) Even though there's so much new in the game, there really isn't as much choice in deck building. I hope I'm wrong on this but it seems like deck design is so specific and focused on particular, complex card interactions there really isn't much room to tweak or personalize. Back when I played, the web was barely a thing, and other than AOL groups and Usenet groups, there wasn't anywhere to go to look up deck designs. It was more about finding nice synergies between cards than building something as precise as say, a Dredge deck. You might not make the pro tour, but you could at least be competitive. For example, Ray of Command and Swords to Plowshares are solid on their own and also work really well together. It's a nice synergy, so that was something I would incorporate into my deck because it had a lot of utility and matched the colors of the deck i was building. Maybe that kind of appreciation for utility rather than creating some specific end state lives on in the limited formats? I should check them out, I only ever played constructed. 5) I can't believe the Reserved List is a thing and that they actually stuck with it. I was shocked my dual lands were worth as much as they are because I thought they would have just always been part of the core set. Plus Chronicles was released while I was playing and I remember being pissed that some of my cards from Legends and Arabian Knights were now worth 1/10 of what they had been. Between Chronicles and how giant the print run was on Fallen Empires it seemed that WoTC didn't consider maintaining card value to be a concern at all. I also had paid $60 for an Unlimited Icy Manipulator only to see it reprinted in Ice Age. When I quit it really didn't seem like any old cards were safe from being reprinted. Finally, can someone answer me this: How isn't Maze of Ith restricted and why doesn't every deck have four of them? tl:dr version, old guy gives bad opinions about Magic Bulky Bartokomous fucked around with this message at 16:11 on May 14, 2017 |
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:Finally, can someone answer me this: Because putting down a Maze of Ith uses up your one land drop for the turn, so it puts you behind in mana for the rest of the game (unless you play poo poo like Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth). And in the older Legacy/Vintage/Commander formats where it is legal, there are just as many combo decks that don't care about creatures swinging in to win. So, Maze of Ith is useless in a lot of match-ups. Moreover, even against decks with creatures as the wincon, they can typically drop more creatures than you have Mazes, so you're hosed regardless.
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:Finally, can someone answer me this: Maze of Ith is really powerful but there are a lot of decks that just don't care about it and the decks that ought to care about it usually either a) get value from just having creatures on the board b) can flood the board to go around the Maze c) have Wasteland. It's an extremely powerful but situational card which is why you typically only see it as a 1-of in decks that can tutor for it.
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Cool, that makes sense. Back in the day it was one of those cards that you put in your deck regardless of deck type. Just like Sol Ring.
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May 14, 2017 16:10
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A top 4 of Marvel is definitely a "no watch zone" Ban Ulamog or Marvel next week, don't really care which one
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80s James Hetfield posted:A top 4 of Marvel is definitely a "no watch zone" Ban Marvel, unban Emrakul.
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May 14, 2017 16:21
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May 14, 2017 16:21
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TheKingofSprings posted:Ban standard Also this. Long live Modern FNMs.
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Count Bleck posted:Also this. Ban modern. Ban the reserved list. Ban Deathrite. Ban Gitaxian Probe. Ban True-Name. Unban Top. Magic is good again.
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Lost Legacy naming Chandra, Flamecaller Lost Legacy naming Ulamog the Ceaseless Hunger Whatcha gonna do now Martin?
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Count Bleck posted:Also this. There are no modern FNMs in Chicago that I can find and it makes me very sad on the infrequent occasion I can/want to play on Friday.
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ShaneB posted:There are no modern FNMs in Chicago that I can find and it makes me very sad on the infrequent occasion I can/want to play on Friday. That is very hard to believe. How can one of largest cities int he united states have so little modern support?
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Dehtraen posted:Lost Legacy naming Chandra, Flamecaller still win? marvel is lame.
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Dehtraen posted:Lost Legacy naming Chandra, Flamecaller Heh, apparently double harnessed lightning plus sweltering suns plus tireless tracker!
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