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He won't speak even one word to her. Tadashi's uncle, huh? This place doesn't seem that different from our version. Welcome to Satomi Tadashi! Feel free to call me "the Satser"! The Yin&Yan in this market is sporting some, shall we say, interesting art. It looks like those Nazca lines. Tch, all they got is weapons. Not even a magazine rack... I wonder if the day will come where our convenience stores sell weapons too. Even the armor shop fits right into this crazy town. A Queen, eh...? That reminds me, Aki said something about a "cute girl"... We're going to see this Queen, huh? I hope she's not too scary... Whatever's going on, we can't get anything done unless we find a way out.Customer: Well, as long as we're all trapped in this market anyways... Might as well butter up the Queen and enjoy our stay!  A quick stop at the casino... Hmm... It's necessary to enjoy oneself sometimes, I suppose. All right! Get ready to be dazzled by my poker skills! Um... Naoya... To tell the truth, I...Customer: Sometimes I see a little girl in black at this market. I hate to think of a helpless little girl trapped here too... And the last stop is the Velvet Room to fuse two new Personas.  First is Anubis, the Egyptian god of mummification who weighs the hearts of the dead to determine their final destination. He has Dark Verdict, the strongest Curse spell in the game, and I managed to get Tarukaja (buffs attack) on him as well.  Second is Vidofnir, a rooster who sits atop the Mímameior tree in Norse mythology whose crowing at dawn signifies the victory of light over darkness. He's a speedy demon who has a well-rounded set of Miracle, Wind, Ice, and Rush skills, and I threw the heavy Fire attack Agidyne on him.  As somebody in the Peace Diner said, the entrance to the Queen's palace is an inconspicuous door next to the casino.  Kama Palace 1000 Ri of Moles (Dungeon - Kama Palace) And the Queen's palace... well, I'd hesitate to call it a "palace." More of a dungeon, really. There's been some confusion as to whether the palace's name is "Kama" or "Karma," but the Persona World Guidance book states that it's named Kama after the Hindu god of love.  Despite its namesake, this dungeon is anything but loving. Its main gimmick is that it's filled to the brim with pitfalls, located behind doors like the one in the picture above. It's also pretty big, with ten floors in total.  The floors themselves can span pretty wide, and are filled with dead ends. There is a an elevator, which helps if you forgot to bring items or skills that return you to the dungeon's entrance.  We finally meet some of the Harem Queen's harem all the way down in the 8th floor. Strange Atmosphere Generic BGM-A  What, Chisato Kasai's? I thought they said she went missing. Wait... Chisato's painting is here, and they're saying it's the Queen's...? But why? Does this mean... Chisato is being held captive by the Harem Queen?  Young man: Our Queen is both talented and gorgeous! Her many moles only enhance her beauty! She once showed me a painting by someone she knew, and I retched at the sight! It's a beautiful painting. It's just not really to my tastes... This piece looks good at first glance, y'know? But that's not enough. I know it sounds corny, but I think heart is more important than technique! This is pretty, but where's the soul? I'm just not feelin' it. I don't claim to understand art... But compared to Maki's work, this leaves me completely cold. The Harem Queen must be pretty childish to decorate a room so tastelessly. Another art gallery can be found on the 9th floor, with a different painting on display.  Young man: Our Queen is both talented and gorgeous! She's gotten more moles lately... Oh, but she's still beautiful! I'm really nervous about this, Naoya. When we get to this Queen, she's goin' down! Yamaoka always told me to be proud of myself. He also said never to curry favor with those stronger than you. You need something from me? And one final gallery. Young man: This is our Queen's fabulous painting. Our Queen's a great artist, and beautiful too. I'm not so bad-looking either, eh? There's no way it's Chisato...! We don't have time to waste, either! Is she taunting us by trapping us here? Or is she buying time? If only I could deduce her intentions... Worrying about crap we can't figure out won't get us anywhere! What we gotta do now is find this Queen. At long last, ten floors underground, we reach the Queen's chambers. Strange Atmosphere Dead Line (Intro)  Same to Naoya, and the rest of you, too. Welcome to my palace. Ch...Chisato! It really was you...!? No...! ...Knew it. Yo Naoya, did Chisato always have that many moles? Didn't she always used to brag about how clear her skin was? C'mon, Chisato! There's an explanation for this, right? Is the real Queen threatening you? You're not really the enemy... That's a lie, isn't it? You're such an idiot! Me, being threatened... utterly ridiculous. I'm here because I choose to be! Isn't this palace wonderful? An angel in black lent me a mirror that grants my every wish! All this... from my mirror. An angel in black... I mean, didn't she kidnap you? That's what I thought at first. But that's not how it went. She was looking for someone who could use the mirror... It happened to be me. ...Okay. So you're the Queen. Isn't it about time to put an end to this? Let's go back together! Yosuke's hurt! He needs you, Chisato... Yosuke... got hurt...? ...Y'know what, Maki? I don't need Yosuke anymore. I didn't really like him anyway. Huh? What did you just say? I don't like Yosuke. In fact, I never did. That's a lie! You always bragged about what a wonderful boyfriend he was... What, you still don't get it? Wow! You really are stupid! I started dating Yosuke because I knew you liked him! In the beginning, you know, he liked you better. And I couldn't allow that... I mean, I was the pretty one! I'm the one he should have gone for! So I made my move, and that feebleminded moron was powerless to resist. Maki turns to face away from Chisato, hand held up to her face. No... Why would you joke like this...? It's not joke, Maki! It's the truth! My art was better than yours, and you got all the attention! But I hated you even before that! I was always prettier and more talented! Why are YOU the one everyone fawns over!? So that's why you stole Yosuke... And why you forced people to praise your artwork. .....? Wait, Chisato. You should be aware that this isn't the Maki you know. Shut up! This has nothing to do with you! Just stay out of this! You must've been howling with laughter, right Maki? I bet you made fun of me behind my back, wearing that innocent face of yours! Well, I won't let you do it to me anymore! I'm much better than you now! Sure... Thanks to the power that girl in black gave you. Right? I said SHUT UP! Naoya... Isn't my painting wonderful? Everyone says so. They all say it's much better than Maki's trash!  Now I get why your paintings are so crappy! You're rotten through and through! A girl like you could never make real art! Quit fooling yourself into thinking you're an artist! ...What... did you say...? You were so caught in the throes of envy over Maki, you never made a real effort. And this is where it brought you... Forcibly enslaving people. You think this is you at your best? You're a Queen with no clothes! You're deluding yourself if you think their praise means anything. They only humor you out of terror! ...Me? A Queen with no clothes...? You heard him, Chisato! I can't stand the way you hurt Maki because of your stupid complex! I'll say this as many times at it takes, so listen up! I think you need to have another look! If you can't grasp my artwork, you're the ones who are wrong! ...Erusaer Tsymmom!  Strange Atmosphere Bar Attacked by Harem Queen    I wonder if Chisato really meant what she said... Maybe she's being controlled? Hey, yeah! I bet that Aki girl is controlling her! Mm... Chisato's eyes were clear. To me, at least, they didn't seem to be the eyes of one under someone's control. Well, we won't get anywhere by staying here. We'll have to go see her again.The most loving part of Kama Palace? You have to do it twice. Pink-afroed man: That dumbstruck look of yours... Been to see the Queen, huh? Yeah, I can tell. If I was a handsome guy in the Queen's good books like you... I coulda lived in her palace. Orange-afroed woman: ...I know how you feel, but you have to be an adult about this. Otherwise, you'll never survive this place. I admit, I'm somewhat surprised, but maybe those were Chisato's true feelings. I... I had no idea... Maki... This must be a real shock for her. I don't think it's so bad to be honest about what you want.Says the guy who is constantly hiding his true intentions. Now then, before heading back into the palace, I stop by the Velvet Room to get new Personas.  First up is Azrael, the Islamic angel of death who carries a book where he inscribes and erases all those who are born and die. He's got both the Miracle skill Baikouha as well as the Curse skill Dark Verdict, and comes equipped with Tarukaja as well as the Fear-inducing Frenzy Song. I also throw the heavy Ice skill Bufudyne on him. Like Lilim, he's pretty drat convenient due to the fact that he nulls all elemental attacks. The second Persona takes a little bit more prep work, but it's worth it.   Personas of the Fool Arcana are almost like a hidden Arcana - they can only be obtained through an event called fusion accidents. Fusion accidents have anywhere between a 1/256 to 20/256 chance of happening, depending on the type of Fusion used. Other than making Fool Personas, fusion accidents can also switch the Arcana, add a +5 to all stats, subtract a -5 from all stats, or cause the Persona to randomly inherit a skill from its one of its parent demons. In the PSP version, there's a way to guarantee all sorts of fusion accidents. First, you have to save at an Agastya Tree in an area where enemies don't appear, and then completely turn the game off - just going back to the main menu won't work. After you do this, leave the Agastya Tree and walk a certain number of steps (anywhere from 6 to 1194, depending on what you want) and enter the Velvet Room. Voila! Instant fusion accident. It doesn't work with tablets or items, but you can still use gems.  Why go to all the trouble? Because Fool Personas are pretty darn good. They're strong against everything, have Best affinity with all characters, have low SP costs, and have nice skill sets. They also all have origins in Japanese history and folklore - Tenjiku Tokubei here is a famous 17th-century Japanese adventurer and writer. Though they're not shown here, his skills are: Sweet Trap (special physical damage), Quikka (inflicts Counter status), Mamagnara (medium Earth damage to all enemies), Makakaja (buffs magic), Samarecarm (revives one party member with full HP), and Fire Breath (medium Fire damage).  With all that done, it's time to back into the demon's lair. Luckily for me, the dungeon remembers where you've walked before, so it's a bit easier to get back to the queen's chamber. The art galleries along the way also have new dialogue for everybody.  That stuff's only superficial... It isn't real. So it was Chisato... But how did she set herself up as mistress of this market? Chisato... What are you doin' on Aki's side? Why'd you abandon Yosuke...? ...Chisato... ...What's gotten into Chisato? First she disappears, then Aki kidnaps her... and now she's the Harem Queen. Better she found out now instead of going on thinking they were friends. Dammit... All this crap about the palace and junk ain't funny! She'd better hold a proper conversation with us this time. You'll never survive in this world if you let little things like this get you. There's plenty of people out there going through worse poo poo than this. Strange Atmosphere Dead Line (Intro)  This mirror's great, but I hate how I get more moles every time I make a wish! Chisato!  Chisato... Just end this already... I know now that your paintings are better. And... and your moles... Shut up! Don't say things you don't even mean! You probably think I deserve these moles! But never mind that... I want to show you something, Naoya. The camera pans to the left, and a curtain opens to reveal a piece of art.  Alright, Naoya. You saw my paintings in the gallery, right? Which did you like more? My masterpieces, or Maki's filth smeared on a canvas? Maki's painting is a million drat times better than yours! I don't think I asked you, monkey! Turn these monkeys into stone! Erusaer Tsymmom! With a puff of smoke, Mark, Nanjo, and Reiji's bodies begin to turn to stone from the feet up. Whoa! Ngh! ......! Aaahahahahaha! Turn to stone, all of you! Ack...!  Turning them to stone was too nice... I should've made them suffer more! I'll give you, and only you, one last chance, Naoya... Which is better? My breathtaking painting, or Maki's piece? And I want an honest answer!You want a completely honest answer? You may not like it, but it's what you asked for.   Ngh...! The stone encroaches further and further up, until all three of them are completely immobile.  I'll return this humiliation tenfold... You can turn to stone like the rest! BLACK KID (Aki's Theme)   Hey Queen, if you beat these guys up, I'll fix your face back to normal! Really!? All right... I'll do it! If that's what Miss Angel wants, then the plan has changed. Confrontation Mirror, mirror, now's the hour: Give to me your strongest power! Erusaer Tsymmom! Boss - Harem Queen Bloody Destiny Dead Line (Mid-Boss Battle) Chisato faces away from us, knees buckling.  Her arms reach around to the back of her head, gently grabbing onto her hair.  She pulls her hair back, revealing two bright beady eyes and a bright red smile.  Harem Queen: Now hurry up and die! Please, Chisato! Stop! If you insist on hurting everyone, I... I... I'll have to fight you!Harem Queen: Tchahahahaaaaa! That terrified face! That's the face! That's it! God, I LOVE it!  It's just Maki and Naoya for this battle. Despite being down three party members, the Harem Queen isn't too tough. She has 1240 HP, only about 100 more HP than Yog-Sothoth Jr. She can use Dia to heal for about 150 HP and can also use Sukukaja to increase her agility and make her harder to hit.  She can use Freila to hit an area for medium Nuclear damage, an element which she absorbs. She can also attempt to turn us into stone herself using Petra Eyes.  Her last skill is Infinite Spiral, a medium-strength whip attack that she uses her hair for.  Her weakness is Ice, likely a nod to the fact that Maki's starting Persona specializes in Ice. Other than that, she's also vulnerable to Wind, Tech, Rush, and Gun.  BLACK KID (Aki's Theme) If you can't win, I'm not gonna fix your face! Though I was never gonna do that anyway! Pbbbbt! Huh? Hey, wait... What do you mean!? Daddy called you a "ginnee pig" and a "useless pon"! He said, "Even if Chisato loses, she's not worth our trouble." So you can have fun staying that way as long as you live! Bye-bye!  Overcoming Sadness Remembrance (Maki's Theme - Sad)  And when we do, we'll make her put your face back the way it was! Maki... You're lying! Don't feed me that crap! I know you think I deserve all this! I'm not lying, Chisato. I still like you... even now. Yep! You're energetic, beautiful, fashionable, and self-possessed. I can tell what Yosuke sees in you. No! I'm... sure Yosuke still has a thing for you, Maki. ...I'm sorry. I was so jealous of you, Maki. You say I'm self-possessed, but it's just an act. The real me is helpless. I have to act out and look pretty or everyone will ignore me... That's why I envied you. You just had to be yourself, and everyone loved you. Chisato... Yosuke will hate me now. Then, you and him will... Yosuke... Ohhhh, you're so stubborn! Deep down, you really like Yosuke. But you don't have to worry about me getting in the way. See...     ...What happened to your face!? Did you get hurt!? Umm, what happened was, Aki put a curse on her, and... Theme of Nemurin's Love Maki! Are you trying to cover for me? No... Not this time!Chisato turns to face Yosuke, looking him straight in the eyes.  I did terrible things... I was so cruel to Maki. This is my punishment! Chisato...! I don't deserve you, Yosuke! I'm a terrible person... Even the face I was so proud of shows it. If people see you with me, they'll laugh at you, too. That's why it's okay if you want Maki instead! You always liked her, right? Yeah, I did like Maki... But that was in the past. I like you now, Chisato! Argh, listen to me...! This is so embarrassing! C'mon, let's go. But... these moles will never come off, you know... You don't care if your friends laugh at us...? Let 'em laugh! See if I care! You said you're a bad person? Well, I'm not saint, either. Don't worry about it. Just be honest with me, like you were a second ago. I'm your boyfriend, Chisato... I don't care what you look like, as long as you're you. I love you, Chisato!   With one big crack, the mirror shatters and litters the floor with glass shards.     And I'm not talking about my face. I... always thought you still liked Maki, Yosuke. Thanks... Chisato's face isn't the only thing back to normal - one by one, the rest of the party is cured of their ailment.   Whoa! Yosuke!? Hey... did your moles fall off, Chisato? Hrm... It seems things moved quickly while I wasn't watching. Yosuke...? Hm. I see Chisato's back to normal, too.After stretching their bodies, everybody returns to the center of the room to talk.  Like you said, deep down, I like Yosuke. I'd hope you could forgive me... But I doubt it. I did want us to be friends again, though... Oh, come on! What's to forgive? You're still my best friend, Chisato. I'm really happy for you! It seems Aki escaped... Chisato, do you know anything about a man named Kandori? He's in league with Aki. I don't know anyone named Kandori... But you know, that girl said that she lives in a castle. It's not all that surprising. Though still a child, Aki's powers are immense. Making a castle would be easy. Alright, then that's our next goal. Let's find that castle! Oh, I forgot to tell you, Chisato, but that Maki isn't the Maki we know. Huh?Following a short explanation from the party...  Is it right for me to be so blessed while Maki suffers...? I'm sorry I was the cause of so much trouble for everyone. If I'd been a little more reliable, this wouldn't have happened. Sorry, guys. And we're kicked out of the room and forced to walk back out of Kama Palace ourselves. Thanks, you two! __________________________________ But what if...? So, what happens if you say you like Chisato's paintings better?    The rest of the party is immediately freed from their stone prison.  Well, Maki? What now!? He chose mine! ......... Fortunately, we weren't turned all the way...  I'm sorry, Miss Angel. I just didn't want any more moles... Well... how about this? Beat them, and I'll put your face back to normal! Really!? All right... I'll do it! Mirror, mirror, now's the hour: Give to me your strongest power! Erusaer Tsymmom!The battle with the Harem Queen is the exact same, except we now have a full party and Chisato has double the health at 2850 HP. Nothing new, so no video. PeaceDiner fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Jul 22, 2017 |
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Why is Chisato still in her school uniform. No self respecting harem queen would be wearing anything less than pink spandex. She's also really focused on Naoya for some reason, and how did Yosuke just teleport in? I wonder how many people heard Yosuke when P4 came out and thought about the dweeb in 1 or started laughing when there was town named after Masao. Are any of the Goetia demons OP in this game?
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Making you redo the whole dungeon is a Strange Journey-tier move. I heard that the dungeons in this game were awful but Karma Palace is just plain evil.
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As far as dungeons go, the Palace wasn't all that bad. Running it twice is dumb, but I just rolled back down in like 5-10 minutes. I really liked the decision given here, too, especially with the easy way out still slapping you with her getting double HP just because you were a dick.
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MythosDragon posted:Did you get Persona 5'd? Haha yeah, sorry for not saying anything. Persona 5 plus my computer acting up means I haven't had time to be working on recording and transcribing. If I'm not burned out on Persona, hopefully the next update will come sometime this week. I hope everyone who got it is enjoying P5! 
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I too got Persona 5'd. That game is drat sweet.
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Persona 5'd here as well. Finished it now, so maybe I'll get around to updating my Jade Empire thread one of these days. I also finally bothered to hook up my PSTV (which is basically a Persona machine) to my 4K screen and fired up Persona 1. As it turns out, PSP games don't scale up to 2160p very well. 
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Im not Persona 5'd yet, finishing up my P4 run and hoping for a stable guide before then.
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I too have been Persona 5'd (With a mild case of Shovel Knight to boot), but it didn't stop me from binge reading this when I saw the thread because I've always been interested in this game. It definitely seems to show its age a bit, but it seems like a good starting point for the series. It's sorta giving off more of a mainline SMT vibe than a modern Persona one so far, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'd also like to submit a formal request to Atlus to add DLC for the new game that brings back Nanjo's "#1" necktie/bib/scarf, because it's the funniest poo poo. Definitely interested in keeping up with this one, keep up the good work.
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I accidentally inspired a Persoma 5 SSLP in the request thread so Im starting today, gotta take responsibility and follow that.
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LordHippoman posted:I'd also like to submit a formal request to Atlus to add DLC for the new game that brings back Nanjo's "#1" necktie/bib/scarf, because it's the funniest poo poo. I think it's a cravat or whatever it is that Edgeworth from Ace Attorney wears.
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LordHippoman posted:I too have been Persona 5'd (With a mild case of Shovel Knight to boot), but it didn't stop me from binge reading this when I saw the thread because I've always been interested in this game. I'm really surprised Atlus didn't do more specialized outfits for everybody in the Persona DLC for P5, I think it would've been a lot of fun to match up different characters. An easy example would be Ann and Ayase, since both have blonde twintails and they share a weapon of choice. Alright, onto business. First, a new update is going to be dropping in a second. It might be a bit longer than usual, but it's been awhile so I think it's okay to go a bit long. Second, the channel I was using for PS1 music had those videos taken down, so I'm using a different channel now. When I'm less lazy, I'll get around to changing the links in previous updates. If worst comes to worst then I'll probably upload music onto LPix, but for now I want to just use YouTube.
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Update 12 - Storming the castle Now that the Harem Queen has been dethroned, the denizens of the Black Market are freed from her trap. We stop by the Peace Diner for one quick chat. Red-afroed man: I guess in the end, the Queen just had no self-confidence. Now that I think about it, I kinda feel sorry for her. Pink-afroed man: That junky old mansion in the southeast? I heard it's connected to another world. Orange-afroed woman: Whew! Goodbye moles, and good riddance! I didn't look very good with them. Afroed drunk: The Queen'sh painting ish no better than a kid'sh scribble! Servesh her right! Downcast woman: Even if the stopped clock starts again... My suffering continues unabated... Dammit... that fricking witch! She went and made a harem when she had a drat boyfriend all along! Did you think I was in shock? Well, I think I can really hit it off with Chisato now... Yosuke wasn't such a bad guy after all. So he remains true even after seeing that side of her? Heh, that's love, I suppose. Kind of an absurd outcome... But it's nice for things to end that way now and then. Our party is free to come and go as we please as well, which means we can finally head north.  The only building in the 3rd ward is Aki's fortress - Mana Castle. BLACK KID (Aki's Theme)  Pbbbbbt! You can't get in from here! If the one in the forest was here, yeah, but she's too much of a scaredy cat. That's how come no one can stop me and my Daddy!  Aki fiddles with the nearby pedestal before the door opens and she takes her leave.  Ugh! Sheesh... she got away again. ...... Hey Nanjo, quit starin' into space! Don't you have a plan or somethin'? Nanjo steps forward to examine the pedestal.  The forest... it must be the one on the west side. It was a flower garden once... But now they call it the Lost Forest. Oh well. Guess we'll go back... We gotta find whoever that brat was talking about. Whoa there, Reiji. This isn't something you can just smash like that. You sure lose it when Kandori's involved. Well, I'm not gonna ask... But man, you don't have to carry whatever it is all by yourself. ...... Masao's right, Reiji. We're all in this together, after all. ...I have no reason to play nice. "All in this together"? You disgust me. And you, Masao? You disgust me most of all.  It's cool, Maki. Get disgusted or don't, dude, but we have to go back together for now. 'Cause we're all after the same thing. C'mon, Naoya, let's go. Boys are so complicated. Masao's getting along with Reiji... I think. I'm surprised he stood there and took that from Masao. Heh... He must sense another like himself. Feral beasts can do that, I suppose. Huh? Am I feeling okay? What are you talking about...? With our destination set, we dip down back into the subway real quick...  There's something that's been nagging at me, but... No. There's no proof. I must be mistaken. There's something I've gotta force Kandori to apologize for... ...and head back to the other side of town.   In our world, this was a police station. This world must have amazing security prior to this incident. The police simply don't exist here. ...You don't need to talk to me. Hurry and go. Lost Forest Night Cry of the Forest (Dungeon - Lost Forest) The Lost Forest is probably named for the fact that it's a big ol' maze with a few tricks up its sleeves.  It has the moving panels that first showed up in the subway and it adds in rotating panels. These panels, as their name implies, will rotate you to the right or left and send you in a different direction from where you were trying to get to. If you walk into them from the correct direction then you'll eventually get to where you need to be.  The Lost Forest also ramps it up with treasure traps - cute, but deadly. Some of them are hiding goodies behind the traps, but most of them aren't.  After a long trek through the forest, the party stumbles upon the most fitting of buildings. BLACK KID (Aki's Theme) Mai's Theme Hey, isn't that the ghost who showed up at the Historical Society? Is she friends with that brat in black!? Yeah, I'd probably cry too if I ran into somebody with Mark's sense of fashion.    *sniffle* Yes... Whoa...! She has a half-moon-shaped compact! It looks a lot like mine... That must be the castle's key. But who are these children...? Hey Mai, you know that girl Aki? Is she a friend of yours? No! She's not my friend! She's Mai... What!? What does that mean? *sniffle* I was lonely... That's when Kandori came. Then she came out of me and left with Kandori. She knows Kandori isn't our real Daddy... Hm... So she's a separate personality that split off... What is that compact? It's my treasure. It grants wishes.   Yes. This little girl was this world's creator.drat Nanjo, don't talk like you know everything. I saw that exclamation point above your head a second ago. Can't you use the compact to catch Aki and Kandori, or send everyone home? No... Aki took half of it. I know she's using the other half to do mean things... My wishes just get canceled out. That's how come I'm hiding here. But we can't get to Kandori without it. Can't we borrow it for a while? No! You can't! That's what Kandori wants! Mai... You shouldn't hide like this. Waaah... *sniffle* Why not...? Won't I be safe if I hide here? Like many RPGs, Persona 1 experimented with the concept of multiple endings, which really just means one good "true" ending and one bad ending. This sequence of questions that Mai gives us is what determines the ending. I'll obviously be going for the good ending first, but we'll revisit the other ending at a later time. Naoya is right. Hiding from your problems won't solve them. You have to meet them head on! *sniffle* Why...? Why are you all trying so hard? Gaaaah! We don't have time for this philosophical crap! We gotta get back to our world and save someone. C'mon, please let us borrow that thing! From the looks of it, she's... She's... already dead? H-Hell no! She's alive for sure! Look, anyway... What are you all living for? Isn't... Isn't it painful? What...? Uh... ... ... What about you, mister? What are you living for? Naoya is right. There is sweetness in life. Okay... Just for you... I'll let you borrow my compact.   Let's wish right now for it to send us to Kandori! You can't. Only I can use it. And the castle is Aki's home, so my wishes won't work on it. Ugh... I knew it seemed too good to be true. Oh well, let's hoof it back to the castle, then. Can I see that compact, Naoya? Wow... It's only half of the whole thing, but it's the same as mine. Though mine doesn't have a mirror like this one. Kandori... How does acquiring that compact play into his schemes...? ...That was one hell of an answer. Well, wishes are supposed to be things you grant for yourself, after all. It would be boring if everything all went the way you wanted it to.As Mark suggests, the party leaves the forest and "hoofs it" back over to Mana Castle. Strange Atmosphere Number 1 (Nanjo's Theme)  Let's try fitting that compact half into the pedestal. Wait a second, Naoya... 'Sup, Nanjo? ...It's nothing. Carry on. Man, you've always been weird, but it's really ramped up lately. You've been acting funny for a while now. ...Don't worry about it. Heh! You heard him, Naoya. Go right ahead.We might as well get everyone else's opinion first.  This is dirty pool, Kandori... Kandori's not going anywhere. He'll get what's coming to him in the end. Hurry up, man. Just put that compact into the pedestal.Alright, alright, give the guy a second.    Good news, the door opens up. Bad news, we just lost Mai's compact half.  I'm sure Kandori is laughing himself hoarse right now.The group turns to face Nanjo, waiting for his words of wisdom.  Kandori wanted that compact. Since Mai wouldn't come out, he needed someone to get it and bring it to him. We were his patsies. What? That scumbag! Wait, if you knew, why didn't you tell us!? Because it's still the only way to get to him. Why, though? If he just needed the compact, why would he let us in? I hate looking like an idiot... Fine, then! We'll play along! Let's go, Naoya! We had no choice but to dance according to his tune. A dirty trick, but one well played. Now what do we do!? We have to get Mai's compact back! He's a devil, just like his father... Mana Castle Dungeon - Mana Castle Mana Castle is rather classy looking for a place conjured up by a kid. Knowing what kind of girl Aki is, I might have expected something a little different.  The only real point of interest is that dark zones return, though at a larger scale than the one at SEBEC's underground lab.  When people think "castle," sprawling hallways and hidden passages probably come to mind, and I guess that includes Aki as well.  And at the very top of the castle sits the throne room. Strange Atmosphere Stillness Before (Theme of Kandori - Silence) If you didn't pick Reiji as your team member, you'd find him beaten and laying on the ground near Kandori's feet. Dude wasn't kidding about taking Kandori down.   Don't be so coarse with your brother's name. Watch your tongue... You may be the child of Father's mistress, but Kandori blood flows in you. ...But what's the use? A stray bitch will breed stray dogs.  Shut up! My name's Kido! Reiji Kido! This is for my mother--the woman your dad used and threw away like a dirty rag! This wound will never forget! Hmph... Nonsense. Take your grievance up with my father's grave. Kandori! What a bothersome dog... Muzzle him, Aki. Okay, Daddy! Erusaer Tsymmom! Aki raises her compact high and sends a flash of lightning shooting through Reiji, bringing him to his knees.  Reiji!  Is that Mai's compact!? Hmh. Youth oft destroys itself... A common failing of headstrong boys. Aki! He's not your Daddy. Don't you know that!? Give that compact back! Pbbbbbbt! You can't hurt Daddy!  You snake... What's your plan for the compact!? Show them, Aki. Okay, Daddy! Erusaer Tsymmom!  It's my ambition given shape... Now witness its power! Scene - Deva Yuga's Formation       Confrontation God Taker (Theme of Kandori - Pathos) That's right. It's my new castle... I call it Deva Yuga. A worthy name for something that will usher in a new, shining era...So, "Deva Yuga." In Hinduism, Deva is the word used for heavenly or divine beings or anything of excellence, and is another word used to describe deities. Hinduism also gives us yugas, which are eras within a four age cycle. A literal interpretation of the name Kandori picked would be something like "Era of God" or "Divine Era." Ngh... You little...! Kandori, you devil... I can't believe you did that... How exquisite... It's no mere compact. You've all seen its majestic power! I've acquired the power to make my desires reality... Power over the dimensions without need for the Deva System! Yes... I'm starting to see now. The compacts and the Deva System were only laying the groundwork. Now... I will become a god on Earth. And a god has only one duty... To wield the rod of judgement upon the wayward human race! I get it... You're planning on annihilating humanity... Like hell! I won't allow it, Kandori! Such senseless defiance...  With a flick of the wrist, Kandori takes matters into his own hands and sends lightning crashing down onto Mark and Nanjo.  I'll now return to the real world. Do you despise me? If so, then follow me there... after defeating this! Ngh... Y-You son of a... Objects of one's desire cannot be easily obtained. But the joy of overcoming obstacles to obtain them is the highest bliss...  Kandori disappears, taking Aki and the mirror with him.  Saurva: It is showtime! I'll make you dance... A dance of death! Boss - Saurva Bloody Destiny Dead Line (Mid-Boss Battle) Saurva: I'll make you eat those words! Our opponent this time is Saurva, a Zoroastrian Daeva who is the arch-demon of oppression that wages eternal war with Khshathra. Thanks to Kandori's dirty tricks, three of our party members start the battle with their HP cut down.  His main attacks are the Earth skills Magnara (one target) and Mamagnara (multiple targets), so Personas that null Earth or all elements are an easy way to avoid damage.  He can also attempt to mute characters with the skill Makajam. Characters who are muted may fail to invoke their Personas.  The last skill Saurva's got going for him is the heavy Arrow attack Arrow Volley. This can be quite deadly, especially if you're using Personas that null elements but are weak to physical skills.  Taking care of him is pretty simple, as he's weak to Fire, Ice, and Wind. Nanjo boosts everyone's magic power with Makakaja, causing even more damage and taking down Saurva without a hitch.  Space Generic BGM-B If we don't hurry and catch that scumbag, things are gonna get out of hand! There must be a way! That's the kind of bastard he is! He's still toying with us. I'm not giving up until my hands are around that bastard's neck! Reiji's right. There must be some way... Heh. For once, we're in agreement. ...Yeah. Maybe there... The place where there were rumors of people being spirited away. The haunted mansion! I used to sneak in there all the time when I was a kid. Ma would get so mad... It's in the same place here as SEBEC is in our world... It's certainly possible. Maki... It's our world's problem now. You can go back home. I like this town! I like all of you! I like... me! And I can't just stay quiet and watch the things I like be destroyed! It's just not something I would do! The things we like, huh...? Looks like no one has any more complaints. Let's get to the haunted mansion ASAP, Naoya!"ASAP" means we can still stop to chat with everyone, right?  I'm Reiji Kido, dammit! Heh... "In the lexicon of youth, there is no such word as 'fail.'" It may be a cheesy quote, but I think I'll take a shot at believing it. ...Worry about yourself first. Heh! That was nothin'. No way I'm goin' down before you do. You got one hell of a mouth... Better not forget those words. You know it. Looks like Reiji's finally starting to come out of his shell.Our heroes, beaten down by the enemy, grow closer and stronger. What awaits them at the haunted mansion, and will they be able to catch Kandori...? Find out next time on Persona! PeaceDiner fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Jul 22, 2017 |
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Aki and Mai both split from one being, and they both look like Maki, and have a compact that looks like Maki's, and 'our' Maki is still unaccounted for.... I think I see what the twist is going to be here.
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The Watercrown posted:Aki and Mai both split from one being, and they both look like Maki, and have a compact that looks like Maki's, and 'our' Maki is still unaccounted for.... I think I see what the twist is going to be here. Not to mention both of their names together, discounting repeated letters, make "Maki". The game's not being subtle here.
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Apr 17, 2017 15:22
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Would it be fair to also say that Aki and Mai are each half the age of Maki?
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Update 13 - Family reunion The haunted mansion, huh? I remember sneaking in there when I was a kid... Wait... huh...? Who was it that used to yell at me for doing that? You think this is the time for a chat!? We need to go and nail that bastard! Reiji must be pretty pissed. ...No, that's not it. But if I think of it another way... No, wait... Hm? Sorry, but I'm busy now.Before we head on over there, I make a quick stop at the Velvet Room to unload some cards.  First is Marduk, a Mesopotamian god who was the patron deity of Babylon. Other than Fire and Sword attacks, Marduk can also repel all physical attacks for one turn by using Tetrakarn.  The other Persona is Yatagarasu, a mythical three-legged crow whose appearance signifies divine intervention in human affairs. His specialty is Rush and Earth skills.  Now then, the rumored haunted mansion is located near the bottom of Mikage-cho's second ward, its atmosphere heightened by the mysterious smog and the ruined road. Haunted Mansion Dungeon - House The inside is spookier than ever, thanks to the music. Our heroes travel through the dingy halls filled with tattered curtains and grimy walls.  This dungeon's main gimmick is dark areas, because what's more frightening than being completely enveloped in pitch black?  The mansion isn't completely abandoned, as some of Kandori's scientists can be found within the rooms.  Scientist: Only Dr. Nicholai realized Kandori's true nature... Well, I suppose it's too late now... But we should have stopped Kandori by any means available while we could. Scientist: The dimensional passage on the third floor was unstable... If we don't hurry, it could become completely unusable! Come to think of it... The old man who made the machine is the only one who owned up to what he did. Kandori... What's his scheme...!? We need to hurry, or you won't be able to go back! Don't any of these people regret what they've done?   Scientist: The trouble is, we can't go into the room with the machine that will get us home. Could you please take a look for us? Scientist: Dammit! Kandori used us for our research and then left us here! These guys seem like they're in the same boast as you, Naoya. Scientist: The others say ghosts don't exist, but none of them will actually go in... Rumor has it that a woman's ghost haunts this place. Scientists who are scared of ghosts? Kandori sure can pick 'em... Sure, it's a haunted house... But I didn't think it had a real ghost!I think it's a little too late to be surprised by ghosts, Mark.  On the third and final floor, we run into a large double door. Our party pauses before opening it, as an eerie noise can be heard emanating from the other side. Hey Naoya, you hear somethin'? Woman's voice: Maki... Where are you, Maki...? Did you just hear it say "Maki"? Hmm... it sounded rather like Maki's mother to me. I've been telling you, I don't have a mom!Woman's voice: Maki...? Is that you, Maki? Come here... The door doesn't seem locked... What should we do, Naoya? It may be a trap. Should we go in?Oh, so now you're worried about traps? You were happy to let us put the compact in the pedestal last update. It's now or never, so we're bustin' in! Confrontation Encounter    Hariti: Oh, Maki, I finally found you. You're safe... That voice... There's no mistaking it. It's Maki's mother...!Hariti: I've been looking for you all this time... Please come to me, Maki.  Maki takes a few cautious steps towards the demon as everyone else watches on.  But that voice... That's Maki's mom, I'm dead sure... Isn't it? I don't know why she'd look like that, but what if it really is her mom...? Put your weapon away, Naoya! ......Thanks for the input, Nanjo. Always glad to hear from ya.  For now, we should lower our weapons.  Daily Life Remembrance (Maki's Theme - Sadness)    Oh, it's the haunted mansion. I was just having a dream about this place... See? Maki's mom doesn't exist in this world, so... This has to be her! But what's she doing here...? You okay, lady? Maki used to get lost at this haunted mansion often when she was little... I'm used to look for her here. I was just dreaming about those days... I was searching for her in this huge mansion, and I heard Maki call to me... I don't remember anything after that. Um, Miss? I'm... not your real child after all... What...? Allow me to explain.One explanation later...  But why don't I exist here...? The dimensional passageway at the back of the room flickers and sputters, catching Maki's attention.  I'm sorry, lady, but we have to chase down Kandori. Alright. Just give me one moment!The group huddles around the machine as Setsuko begins to fiddle with it.  Someone has to stay here and operate the machine. What? No...! We can't leave anyone here! I'll do it! Don't worry... Go ahead on your own. Though I'd be grateful if you came to get me when this is all over with. Miss... Yes? Speak quickly... There isn't much time. I... don't have a mother... But if I did... I'd hope for one as kind and caring as you...  Yes... Please do. Thank you... .....   Space Rage (Reiji's Theme)  Hurgh... I feel sick. You must be tougher than you look, Naoya... *cough* Probably because it was a forced teleportation. Really, we should count ourselves lucky we came through in one piece.Reiji is the first to stumble back onto his feet.   Heh... Might wanna look in a mirror, Reiji. You're blue as a zombie. Heh. If you can make jokes about it, you'll be fine. Let's get back on track. Can you stand up, Maki? Ngh...   Look, Naoya, it's that scientist.  Hey, the old dude survived! Something seems weird about him, though. Urrgh... Let judgement fall upon the foolish humans! Mankind needs no future! Confrontation Theme of Kandori - Ambition Let judgement fall on mankind! Let the music of destruction ring out! Dude, what's gotten into you!? C'mon, why're you talking like Kandori?   In fact, humans around the world already share my desire for annihilation.  What the hell are you talking about!? You madman... Have you brainwashed the entire globe with that mirror!? Everyone following a unified ideology... Doesn't it sound wonderful? That's preposterous! All I need to do now is give the order for them to kill each other... And everything will be over. A fitting end for a species of fools. Nothing else will be hurt. Only mankind will be wiped from this planet. But why!? Why do you want to do this to people!? Hah... That sounds rather unlike you... Maki Sonomura.  The mirror's power affects all. You children are no exception. Can you still reach me where I await? Hahah... Space Kandori disappears just as suddenly as he appeared, his form fading out of Reiji's fists.   With Kandori gone, Naoya takes a moment to check in with everybody. Now is the time for the final judgement! Why was mankind created? Without an answer to that question, the infection must be cleansed! That jerk... I can't believe he's gonna go through with this! So that's why... It's inconceivable... How does Kandori know me...!? There's no telling what dirty tricks that bastard has in store. Be careful.Next update, the party will descend into the depths of Deva Yuga. __________________________________ But what if...? What happens if you choose to fight Hariti instead?   Boss - Hariti Bloody Destiny Dead Line (Mid-Boss Battle) H-Hey! Isn't this really Maki's mom? Here it comes!The party is forced into a battle with Hariti. Known as both a goddess and demon, Hariti satiated her own children's hunger by abducting and killing the children of others. However, thanks to a message from Buddha, she changed her ways and vowed to protect all children.  Hariti's element of choice is Blast, able to use a multi-target heavy target skill.  Her two ailment-inducing skills are Shibaboo (pictured above) and Decover. Shibaboo can inflict Bind to stop people in their tracks, and Decover makes it impossible to recover HP for three turns.  Her last two attacks are physical, the first being the heavy Thrown skill Sonic Bullet.  The other skill is Rainbow Strike, a Special Physical attack. Maki doesn't join us for the battle, but Hariti still goes down easily without the extra manpower or healing power. She absorbs Wind, but is weak to Fire, Ice, and Earth. After the battle, the scene continues on the same way it does if you choose to lower your weapons. PeaceDiner fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Apr 28, 2017 20:28
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So wait, in addition to summoning giant fortresses, the mirror can brainwash an entire planet? I'm starting to think that using our half to open a door wasn't the brightest idea.
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Apr 28, 2017 23:19
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What is neat about them using Hariti here is that, going by the myth, the option to lower your weapons could be a legit peace offer or a trap. I like it this way, but I could see her trying to slay Maki's friends and kidnapping her like an overprotective ogre.
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You monster, it looks like youre not filling in the entire map. I didnt even know you could do that! Welcome back, finish P5?
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In the original PSX version, the Black Market was the only reliably easy way to get ElixStones/ElixRocks (Forgot their name in the PSP version) without having to grind up a near offense-less level 70 persona. They fix that in the PSP re-release; which I will always be grateful for. Hariti is one of the few bosses in the PSX version that could whoop your rear end, mostly because of that high powered sonic bullet if you're unlucky with how many times it hits your party. I'll go more in depth on them later, but some great persona to take with you into Deva Yuga are Odin (Petrify is almost never resisted by any demons except for Nights and Fallen), Take Mikazuchi for a decent selection of spells and return item of the Futsu-No-Mitama, (a weapon with about 38 strength, but hits 4 times and can cause panic. On the MC with a Emperor persona, that will hurt) and Yata-Garasu for both great earth spells and the return item of Ameno-Murakumo, Kei's best sword. Also, you might have seen Cerberus floating around The Velvet Room. The only Fortune persona in the game has a bit of a crappy movepool that is easily remedied with a blue circle + spell stone fusion and refines for some dead ends, the second most powerful bullet in the game that can inflict Petrify. He DOES come with Tetraja for additional defensive buffs and experience farming. Ankou is coming up too. Make her for Reiji or any woman in the party, but if you get Reiji, refine her at rank 8 for the Ankou Bakunetsu Sho (Holy Glove in American release, DO have to love the simplification sometimes) which is his second best knuckle duster in terms of raw power. Another persona coming up is Tensen Nyan Nyan, I think that's the level 46 Priestess persona which again comes with a lack of offense so a spell item + blue circle fusion is needed, but she can outclass Deva and her return item is a machine gun called HolyVulcan (I can't remember the real name of it) in the American release that while weak on the attack power (I think it's 19), hits for seven times in a row; so combining that with dead ends is a decent plan. If you have Brown, you can make the Justice persona Morgan, who while ok if a bit one note, refines for a powerful weapon for Brown. I promise to make a real effort post regarding a ton of personas for the levels at a later time today for you OP, I just got sidetracked by Persona 5. Heavily. And I got a neurology appointment coming up too.
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I started playing along at home, and I gotta ask: how on earth did you get your party to level 20+ before even going to the SEBEC building? I'm assuming the answer is "a bunch of grinding" because I'm almost done with SEBEC and my highest-leveled party member (Maki) is at 16. I'm playing on Beginner though, so maybe my encounter rate is lower and I'm getting less EXP as a result? Those Moh Shuvuus in the SEBEC building will still gently caress you up even on Beginner, by the way. I just barely managed to avoid a total party wipe a few times.
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Doc Morbid posted:I started playing along at home, and I gotta ask: how on earth did you get your party to level 20+ before even going to the SEBEC building? I'm assuming the answer is "a bunch of grinding" because I'm almost done with SEBEC and my highest-leveled party member (Maki) is at 16. I'm playing on Beginner though, so maybe my encounter rate is lower and I'm getting less EXP as a result? Party members automatically shoot up to the main character's level whenever they join/rejoin, so if you funnel all the experience into the main character early on (using Seimen Kongou's Magaru spell to wipe entire enemy groups immediately), he'll get up to 20 in a somewhat reasonable timeframe, and since the entire party bails at the school, once they rejoin, bam, instant level 20 for everyone. By the way, as a coincidence, I'm also playing this for the first time just this week (I recently played through P3 for the first time and decided to try some other games in the series), and the fusion charts I've seen online keep trying to tell me that Wilder+Night gets a blue fusion for Emperor, but I've tried every possible combination of available Nights and Wilders, and every single one of them fuses into Sun. The only blue combination seems to be Yoma and Jaki, which includes a stat-down. Am I going to have to settle for that, or does someone know of a normal blue fusion that will work? I'm just glad Google tossed up this thread in my search results.
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Sorry for the wait, a malfunctioning computer + finals + terrible cold meant no time to play and edit, but I'm back so expect an update tonight!Doc Morbid posted:I started playing along at home, and I gotta ask: how on earth did you get your party to level 20+ before even going to the SEBEC building? I'm assuming the answer is "a bunch of grinding" because I'm almost done with SEBEC and my highest-leveled party member (Maki) is at 16. I'm playing on Beginner though, so maybe my encounter rate is lower and I'm getting less EXP as a result? Like Eclectic explained, the fact that a party member joining means everybody gets to the same level is a very good way to game the system and get easy EXP. There was some grinding, too, of course. EclecticTastes posted:By the way, as a coincidence, I'm also playing this for the first time just this week (I recently played through P3 for the first time and decided to try some other games in the series), and the fusion charts I've seen online keep trying to tell me that Wilder+Night gets a blue fusion for Emperor, but I've tried every possible combination of available Nights and Wilders, and every single one of them fuses into Sun. The only blue combination seems to be Yoma and Jaki, which includes a stat-down. Am I going to have to settle for that, or does someone know of a normal blue fusion that will work? I'm just glad Google tossed up this thread in my search results. I have no idea why the charts would tell you Wilder + Night gives you Emperor, since the fusion chart from the game's manual clearly shows it giving you a Sun result. Anyway, the combo for a blue Emperor fusion that doesn't give you a stat down is Spirit + Wilder. Seems that GameFAQs doesn't have anything in the way of fusion charts, so perhaps that's something I should submit.
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PeaceDiner posted:I have no idea why the charts would tell you Wilder + Night gives you Emperor, since the fusion chart from the game's manual clearly shows it giving you a Sun result. Anyway, the combo for a blue Emperor fusion that doesn't give you a stat down is Spirit + Wilder. Seems that GameFAQs doesn't have anything in the way of fusion charts, so perhaps that's something I should submit. The info I was using is from here, it must have been a typo, thanks for the heads-up. Given the age of the game, my copy doesn't have a manual with it. As an aside, that page is a very useful resource, incorrect fusion options notwithstanding (also the information regarding how to get spell cards through negotiation is woefully incomplete, though that much is acknowledged, at least), though obviously readers of the thread should tread carefully to avoid spoilers on some of the other pages (it includes a pretty solid walkthrough).
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Update 14 - Era of God Deva Yuga Dungeon - Deva Yuga And into Deva Yuga the party goes! Luckily for them, Kandori materialized several helpful places like the Velvet Room and Trish's Fountain for us.  It's not too shabby-looking a place, either. They gave us some nice art to look at, which is good since you'll be seeing a lot of dead ends in here   Treasure rooms, too? Kandori, you're spoiling us.   Going down the stairwell gives us some more nice eye-candy to look at.  Some of Kandori's lackeys can be found throughout the dungeon, though, like Nicholai, they have some... interesting things to say.  Secret police: Humans hate and kill each other, ruining the planet for their own desires... We're a complete failure as a species! They're all saying the same crap. Everyone's spewing crap like Kandori! What's wrong with these people? We must stop Kandori at once! We can find even more on the forth floor, but it seems that Kandori's effect hasn't spread to everyone.  Secret police: Mankind doesn't need a future! You think so too, right!? Secret police: M-My head... it hurts...! Let judgement fall on mankind! That guy doesn't seem like he was affected. Man, this is awful... We need to hurry! It seems some others besides us have been able to resist. There's no forgiving that bastard. Trekking to the fifth floor gets us to a lever. Haven't seen one of these since the underground factory. I've got a pretty good reason to touch this one as well.  The reward this time is an eyeball and a big ol' THUNK from the other side of the floor.  The lever opened up a previously closed door, and I spy with my little eye another fun lever to pull.  And this time we open up a pitfall, letting the party fall down to a previously inaccessible area on the forth floor.   Scientist: Why was mankind created to begin with? Scientist: Heeheehee! The hammer of judgement will come down on this species of fools! Heeheehee! Have they all been brainwashed? These fools are crazy. We must stop Kandori at once! ...... One last hurdle to go before we can meet with Kandori: light puzzles! Following the lights on the ceiling, Naoya's gotta light up the room in a cross pattern to open up the door. Confrontation Stillness Before (Theme of Kandori - Silence) Whoops, sorry Kandori. Didn't mean to bother you on break.  You guys are so aggravating! I won't let you get in my Daddy's way! ...That's enough, Aki. Stay back. But, Daddy... Wait in the other room. I'll be with you soon. ...Okay, Daddy.  "Causin'"? Somebody's been hanging around Mark. ...Don't worry. I won't do anything further. ...... ...What the hell's with you? Decided to beg for your life all of a sudden? The party softens their stance, willing to hear Kandori out.  Huh!? People aren't strong enough to live without a goal. Everyone wants something. No matter how small the desire... It gives them the strength to carry on. But... if every desire is fulfilled, what's left to strive for? When one's wishes have been granted, the only thing that awaits... is a bottomless solitude; an eternal emptiness. Then wouldn't it be better if one chose not to ascend the stairs of desire? That way... one's dreams are kept alive. ...... I... kept ascending that stair to destroy this worthless world... But it no longer matters. Right now... nothing is beyond my grasp. Hah. The winds of solitude and emptiness blow within me... Such is a god's lot. ...... Boy... I allowed you to come here in order to ask you this.  Mark pumps his fist in the air, ready to wax philosophical. Dumbass! How old are you? And you don't even know that yet? We're alive so we can do the best we can, every second of every day. You're always so frickin' sulky. It's not good for you, man! You gotta look on the sunny side!Official material says that Kandori is 28. Good for him, getting so ahead in life at that age. Why else...? To kill you and put an end to your filthy bloodline! Until I do that, I can't give my mother the happiness she deserves! You, boy... I haven't heard your answer yet. What are you living for? Just like we told Mai.  She really has been learning from Mark. Look at that double fist pump. That's right! Our reason for living... We may never understand it. But I still believe in myself! With or without a reason, I'm going to live a life I won't regret! What...? Surely you must know. The seat of power you've reached by using people is no divine throne. Deep down, you know none of it was your doing... You miserable... You're suffering. You despair at your inability to live any other way. Stop... The same goes for her wish to erase mankind. It stems from one's anxiety for the future. "I want to risk it... But I can't... If only I could disappear..." Did you think burdening all mankind with your fears would make them go away? ...... Why continue rationalizing your neurosis with these grandiose principles? No one knows the foolishness of that more than you.  Heh, looks like you're finally ready to throw down! Can you defeat me? Can you protect the things you claim are precious? ...For my mother and my friends, I'll kill you. Then prove it before god's throne! Boss - Kandori Bloody Destiny Dead Line (Mid-Boss Battle) Shut up! That's our line! If what Nanjo said is true... There's still time! Stop this nonsense, and bring back our town -- our world! Hah... You'd tell a god to condone nonsense? That, too, is a grave sin... A god commands and condemns. It does not lend an ear to the pleas of vermin. Spout that crap in hell. I'll send you straight there...! Kandori... We'll close the curtain on this farce, if that's what you wish! It's finally time to go up against Kandori and his Persona - the Crawling Chaos, Nyarlathotep.  He must've been training, because the Maragi he sicced on us back at SEBEC is now the more powerful Maragion. Another attack he's got up his sleeve is the heavy Sword attack Wolf Fang.  Nyarly has mastery over darkness, as he can hit the party with the heavy Curse attack Eternal Black and can instantly knock a character out with Deathtika. Other than that, he can also use Decover to prohibit HP-recovery for 3 turns and Shibaboo to inflict Bind. He does, however, have a number of weaknesses to exploit. His main two weaknesses are Guns and Miracles, doing 2 and 2.5 times more damage respectively. You can also do a nasty bit of damage to him with Ice, Wind, Earth, and Electric attacks. No-gos are Death (null), Curse (drain), and Nerve (reflect). 2000 HP worth of damage later...  Who am I!? I am Takahisa Kandori! The man who transcended humanity! Nrrrrrrrghaaaaaaa!? Wh-What the... Something's forcing itself into me...!   Nyarlathotep's voice: I shall give you the power your desire. N-Nooooo!   Wh-What the!? Holy poo poo... Have his body and soul been dominated by the Persona!? Boss - God Kandori  It's Super Guido! Er, I mean God Kandori. God Kandori's affinities are basically the opposite of human Kandori's - he now absorbs Miracle and resists Ice, Wind and Electric. His weaknesses now consist of Fire, Gravity, Blast, Curse, Whips, Arrow, and Guns.  In terms of offense, he's now switched over to Electric and Miracle as his two main elements, with the heavy Electric attack Maziodyne and the two heavy Miracle attacks Bright Judgement and Eternal White. He can also hit an area with the multi-hit Sword attack Triple Slice.  He hasn't lost all of his accursed nature, as he can still ruin your day with the insta-death Hell Eyes and can inflict Panic with Derangement Eyes. Panicked characters will act unpredictably, which tends to make them useless unless the ailment is cured or wears off. Overcoming Sadness God Taker (Theme of Kandori - Pathos)  This... was the only way I knew. Maybe I summoned you here because I wanted to hear someone say it... Hah. I must seem a fool... but I feel remarkably content. ...Where is the real Maki? Ah... you've solved the mystery of the two worlds... I'm not surprised. Kei...? What do you mean? You and the people of your world were mere figments of a certain imagination. Maki Sonomura's...  You're... probably the idealized self of the Maki Sonomura we know. And the town you live in is the world inside Maki Sonomura's heart... Am I correct, Kandori? Yes... and not only her. Mai and Aki are also shadows within Maki Sonomura's heart... All of you are nothing more than aspects of her. Maki steps back from the group in horror. No... That's not...! Maki, Mai, Aki... Simple anagrams. Maki must have conceived of her own paradise in her heart... One modeled off her memories of Mikage until the day she was hospitalized. No way... Then there was no police station or hospital because... It's a common sentiment. Chisato and Yosuke were no doubt drawn in by Maki's unconscious desires. When it came to her crush and her best friend, she wanted the genuine article. The trial run of the Deva System succeeded roughly a month ago. But... she was linked to the system even before then. Her wavelength must have synchronized with the system's. Once she had internalized the power to interfere with the dimensions... The paradise within her heart seems to have grown beyond our imaginations. And you came into contact with Mai, caretaker of that paradise... Mai... No. That Maki was isolated. She had her role for the ideal Maki... To provide the world she'd always wanted as comfort for Maki in the real world. You know the rest... Then go... Meet your true self... She is here, in this castle...     Maki rushes from the room, ignoring Mark's cries. Reiji approaches Naoya.  Maki Sonomura... she needs to discover her true self. If she doesn't, she'll share my fate... Go to her... Don't let her go down that lonely path... The group left behind watches on as Kandori quietly passes in front of their eyes.  Naoya! We gotta look for Maki!  > "A man's life of fifth years is a fleeting dream next to the age of the universe. Does anything last forever?" I've been thinking it over all this time, and my conclusions still surprised me. It's gotta be a lie! It's too much for Maki...! ...I finally killed the bastard... Then why this empty feeling...?
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May 14, 2017 07:10
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What? That was dumb, how could have Nanjo possibly figured that out on his own? It's like they couldn't figure out a good way to drop that plotdump so they just had Nanjo spontaneously figure it out.
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May 14, 2017 09:16
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PeaceDiner posted:
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May 14, 2017 09:18
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SloppyDoughnuts posted:What? That was dumb, how could have Nanjo possibly figured that out on his own? It's like they couldn't figure out a good way to drop that plotdump so they just had Nanjo spontaneously figure it out. I mean, he did kind of seem to know where the whole 'compact mirror as key' thing was going, too. It's not completely out of left field, though I'll agree that it's definitely not particularly elegantly executed.
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May 14, 2017 14:52
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I wonder how quickly the killer would've been caught in persona 4 if the investigation team had someone as competent as Nanjo. Seriously though for all the faults this game has all the characters in it come off as extremely competent and intelligent.
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May 14, 2017 15:26
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I can't get mad at plotdump because it's following on the heels of that incredible takedown of Kandori. Also because he's been doing it pretty much the entire game.
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May 14, 2017 17:00
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I absolutely love how Nanjo has to actually belittle Kandori into getting mad enough to actually quit moping and allow the party to fight him
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May 14, 2017 17:24
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Gaius Marius posted:I wonder how quickly the killer would've been caught in persona 4 if the investigation team had someone as competent as Nanjo. Seriously though for all the faults this game has all the characters in it come off as extremely competent and intelligent. No faster, wed just lose the accomplice ending because someone else would have said the killers identity at that point. Persona 4's plot may have been a murder mystery, but Persona 4 itself was not a murder mystery.
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May 14, 2017 20:11
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Captain Walker posted:I absolutely love how Nanjo has to actually belittle Kandori into getting mad enough to actually quit moping and allow the party to fight him 'Well we can't just kick the poo poo out of a guy who's not fighting back.' 'It's ok guys, I got this.'
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May 14, 2017 22:41
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vdate posted:'Well we can't just kick the poo poo out of a guy who's not fighting back.' Explain All-Out Attacks 
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May 14, 2017 22:43
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Captain Walker posted:Explain All-Out Attacks Don't exist yet, gotta smash demons down the old-fashioned way.
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May 14, 2017 22:55
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Reiji's dialogue is actually pretty interesting I almost wish I would've bothered to get him instead of sticking with Elly.
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May 14, 2017 23:32
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