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Fallen Hamprince posted:*extremely dialectical voice* what if thing is actually the opposite of thing, and vice-versa. owned libs When you really think about it, isn't freedom just slavery?
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:When you really think about it, isn't freedom just slavery? Fallen Hamprince posted:*extremely dialectical voice* what if thing is actually the opposite of thing, and vice-versa. owned libs In the West you are free* *to vote for bourgeois parties
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May 15, 2017 03:58
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the the ussr the people were free to vote* *for the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the only party on the ballot
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British Election thread: people who don't speak russian and were in diapers when the wall fell pine for the days of brezhnev
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May 15, 2017 04:07
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USSR was one of the most if not the most horrible country in history on the face of the planet, if they are the bar we're comparing ourselves to then lol we're hosed
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May 15, 2017 04:08
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:In the West you are free* Also, to do what I want, any old time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UKh9zszngc
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May 15, 2017 04:09
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western capitalism is sucking right now! there is nothing wrong with saying that lol
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May 15, 2017 04:09
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Baloogan posted:USSR was one of the most if not the most horrible country in history on the face of the planet, if they are the bar we're comparing ourselves to then lol we're hosed this is a bit much imho
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May 15, 2017 04:11
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:In the West you are free* Fallen Hamprince posted:the the ussr the people were free to vote* quote:Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Badger of Basra posted:this is a bit much imho its only competition is nazi germany and other communist regimes like north korea
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Badger of Basra posted:this is a bit much imho NK is so bad because of how like the USSR it is.
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Communism is the worst idea people have ever had.
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May 15, 2017 04:13
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hakimashou posted:NK is so bad because of how like the USSR it is. uh huh
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Badger of Basra posted:uh huh Vicious political repression, famine, gulags, secret police, bellicosity. In what ways is it not like the USSR?
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May 15, 2017 04:16
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Baloogan posted:its only competition is nazi germany and other communist regimes like north korea *cough*the Confederacy*cough*
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May 15, 2017 04:17
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in the year 2017 can vote for a communist party in every democracy in europe and north america. the major opposition party in the uk is in fact led by a far leftist who's finance minister quotes from the little red book in parliament. they just aren't guaranteed to win, because the entire ideology of communism spent the last quarter of the 20th century publicly making GBS threads itself and dying, and the few nominally communist nations left are either authoritarian capitalist dictatorships like china or complete shitshows like venezuela. yes i would like the medium spicy sauce on my nandos thank you
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May 15, 2017 04:19
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Captain_Maclaine posted:*cough*the Confederacy*cough* the confederacy was a belligerent, not a real country :lincoln:
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Baloogan posted:USSR was one of the most if not the most horrible country in history on the face of the planet, if they are the bar we're comparing ourselves to then lol we're hosed Baloogan posted:western capitalism is sucking right now! there is nothing wrong with saying that lol the trick here is that western capitalism is internationalized, except when it is convenient for it not to be. it's not so bad, even now, if you're living in one of the dominant countries, but that is selection bias in a system which is global in scope. every system is great if you narrow the sample size to the cohorts it favours. globalization is no longer a thing that is happening, but a thing which happened. capitalism's last competitor crumbled over twenty years ago. the vast majority of people in the resulting political system have no vote, no right or ability to speak, and live or die at the pleasure of masters whose accountability for those decisions amounts to far less than the codes of chivalry meant to the nobility.
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hakimashou posted:Vicious political repression, famine, gulags, secret police, bellicosity. But enough about the Raj
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hakimashou posted:NK is so bad because of how like the USSR it is. north korean communism has less to do with communism than china's does if you feel strongly about north korea, you should learn about it: https://www.mhpbooks.com/books/the-cleanest-race/
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the british empire was 'bad' (but not exceptionally so, and english law is the basis for the world's law) but it gets serious points for being so cool and paving the way for global civilization overall I'd say the british empire was great. just look at the ex-british colonies and compare them to spanish/etc colonies.
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then compare them to the lol ex-ussr colonies haha
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Fallen Hamprince posted:in the year 2017 can vote for a communist party in every democracy in europe and north america. the major opposition party in the uk is in fact led by a far leftist who's finance minister quotes from the little red book in parliament. they just aren't guaranteed to win, because the entire ideology of communism spent the last quarter of the 20th century publicly making GBS threads itself and dying, and the few nominally communist nations left are either authoritarian capitalist dictatorships like china or complete shitshows like venezuela. yes i would like the medium spicy sauce on my nandos thank you you can also be a practicing jedi and start and vote for a jedi party and i promise to make the force and anime real and would like a big mac value meal with a medium coke thank you
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Baloogan posted:the british empire was 'bad' (but not exceptionally so, and english law is the basis for the world's law) but it gets serious points for being so cool and paving the way for global civilization overall I'd say the british empire was great. hooooooo boy.
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Baloogan posted:the british empire was 'bad' (but not exceptionally so, and english law is the basis for the world's law) but it gets serious points for being so cool and paving the way for global civilization overall I'd say the british empire was great. this will get a lot of bites
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Baloogan posted:the british empire was 'bad' (but not exceptionally so, and english law is the basis for the world's law) but it gets serious points for being so cool and paving the way for global civilization overall I'd say the british empire was great. That's enough now, Loogs.
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Hodgepodge posted:north korean communism has less to do with communism than china's does My fav NK book is Under the Loving Care of the Fatherly Leader but its been years since I read it. Anyway its not hard to draw parallels between Kim's communist totalitarian hell and Stalin's. Most of the bad stuff about NK was also bad about the USSR.
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there was a time when ghengis khan's empire became significantly less awful because he decided to listen to some buddhist monks and toned things down what you folks are saying is that it's cool that you haven't showered in three years because at least you don't poo poo your pants like billy
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Baloogan posted:its only competition is nazi germany and other communist regimes like north korea Ancient Sparta, The Assyrian Empire, The Mongolian Empire, Raj India, Belgian Congo, literally every country that practiced serfdom or chattel slavery (the vast majority), every Chinese government until post-GLF, Imperial Japan, Fascist Italy, Fascist Spain, every Latin American government that ever carried out a dirty war, just about every colonial governorate
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Baloogan posted:the british empire was 'bad' (but not exceptionally so, and english law is the basis for the world's law) but it gets serious points for being so cool and paving the way for global civilization overall I'd say the british empire was great. They desperately need to promote you to mod of DnD.
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Baloogan posted:the british empire was 'bad' (but not exceptionally so, and english law is the basis for the world's law) but it gets serious points for being so cool and paving the way for global civilization overall I'd say the british empire was great.
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hakimashou posted:My fav NK book is Under the Loving Care of the Fatherly Leader but its been years since I read it. it's not hard to draw parallels, but that does not yield any relevant insight and you haven't even bothered to try. not that i want you to; this isn't loving d&d
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Hodgepodge posted:it's not hard to draw parallels, but that does not yield any relevant insight What are the bad things about North Korea?
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hakimashou posted:What are the bad things about North Korea? not having actually defeated the imperialist aggression of america despite the divine power of kim jong-un, comerade 
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Ancient Sparta, The Assyrian Empire, The Mongolian Empire, Raj India, Belgian Congo, literally every country that practiced serfdom or chattel slavery (the vast majority), every Chinese government until post-GLF, Imperial Japan, Fascist Italy, Fascist Spain, every Latin American government that ever carried out a dirty war, just about every colonial governorate Try Leninism: It might not be as bad as living in *checks notes* the Belgian Congo
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Try Leninism: It might not be as bad as living in *checks notes* the Belgian Congo Leninist Soviet Union was better than all other countries in its day, and all the countries that you could argue are "better" just so happen to be all-white countries that had sucked up all the surplus value of the Global South for a whole century.
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Try Leninism: It might not be as bad as living in *checks notes* the Belgian Congo if you think about it, black slaves had it pretty good because at least they weren't subjected to the immense pressure of the interior of a neutron star, thought to be so vast that it overcomes electron degeneracy pressure and forms exotic forms of matter
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Leninist Soviet Union was better than all other countries in its day, and all the countries that you could argue are "better" just so happen to be all-white countries that had sucked up all the surplus value of the Global South for a whole century. if only the ussr had gotten on that surplus value game early it wouldnt have to stuff hundreds of thousands of people in gulags for no reason
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Leninist Soviet Union was better than all other countries in its day The Kronstadt sailors sure thought so.
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