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Tomahawk posted:That was a pretty cool ep but I'm definitely ready for the end of the series. While I love it, there is definitely something exhausting about this show. 
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May 15, 2017 09:47
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Gonz posted:*gunshots* Probably the best ending of any episode of television I can recall.
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May 15, 2017 10:24
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Gonz posted:*gunshots* They certainly stuck the landing.
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May 15, 2017 13:54
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Was the actress that plays Jill Garvey too busy with another project or was her character out of story to tell?
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:Was the actress that plays Jill Garvey too busy with another project or was her character out of story to tell? I'm guessing a bit of both? IMDB has her in a bunch of stuff coming out in 2017, so I'm guessing they had her in this season's first episode just so they could say "look she's in college now and well adjusted" and move on. Same as having Erika show up briefly, since I think Regina King was too busy as well.
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May 15, 2017 14:36
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I liked that after the previous episode where we were meant to question Kevin's sanity again and possibly that even the hotel world was just a manifestation of his mind they reestablished with David Burton that the hotel world was a real thing in the universe of The Leftovers as he is the man the Kevin met on the bridge to Miracle and the bar in the hotel.
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May 15, 2017 16:08
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May 15, 2017 16:13
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Le Saboteur posted:I liked that after the previous episode where we were meant to question Kevin's sanity again and possibly that even the hotel world was just a manifestation of his mind they reestablished with David Burton that the hotel world was a real thing in the universe of The Leftovers as he is the man the Kevin met on the bridge to Miracle and the bar in the hotel. Kevin's subconscious could have been inserting him into his delusions after seeing a news report about him. We know that Burton's situation made the news in the States when it happened. Plus Burton got unceremoniously mauled by a lion after they showed us the story of Daniel. The ambiguity is still very much there imo.
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May 15, 2017 16:18
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Le Saboteur posted:I liked that after the previous episode where we were meant to question Kevin's sanity again and possibly that even the hotel world was just a manifestation of his mind they reestablished with David Burton that the hotel world was a real thing in the universe of The Leftovers as he is the man the Kevin met on the bridge to Miracle and the bar in the hotel. Speaking of those delusions, without them Kevin would've had a hell of a time finding his dad. Divinely inspired visions, or at least that's what Matt would say.
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May 15, 2017 16:19
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Le Saboteur posted:I liked that after the previous episode where we were meant to question Kevin's sanity again and possibly that even the hotel world was just a manifestation of his mind they reestablished with David Burton that the hotel world was a real thing in the universe of The Leftovers as he is the man the Kevin met on the bridge to Miracle and the bar in the hotel. The only proof we have of any sort of weird afterlife-or-otherwise connection is Kevin Jr talking to Kevin Sr, and the burning mattress reference.
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May 15, 2017 16:23
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I'd not been feeling this season, in all honesty, though the last two episodes were pretty great. Particularly the fifth. But I think I was mistaking personal preference for overall quality. That, and I prefer episodes where it turns out that everybody was wrong and things explode in people's faces because they've made a big deal out of nothing as opposed to actual magic and the weird shell games this show plays in regards to whether there's magic or not going on. I think the argument it tends to make is that there's usually not magic, but if there was a magic thing that happened your probably shouldn't overthink it because that'll just blow up in your face. e.g. The Holy Wayne is all magic and schizzle. Nope, he's a paedophile who gets off on hugging people. e.g. Evie has been taken in a second Departure. Nope, she's just hosed off somewhere. e.g. My husband the Pillar Man has Departed. Nope, he's dead. e.g. God is real and he's on this cruise ship. Nope, he's just some arsehole who lucked into leading a cult. It's not that there aren't any answers. There are answers, they're just really really banal. (Except the Departure -- all this madness sprang into life as a reaction to an unsolvable event in the same way that a bunch of religions sprang into being as a reaction against the first unsolvable mystery: life.) So, with this logic, the Nora's science scammers are either just scammers who are very particular about their marks, or are just stupidly microwaving people to death in a misguided attempt to solve their obsession with the unsolvable. Effectively, they're just another cult, asking their version of the same stupid questions that Nora asks for a living. Only these guys are dumb enough to think they've got enough information for human testing to begin. ...and yes, I recognise the irony of this post.
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Supercar Gautier posted:It's a Utilitarian thought experiment. If you subscribe to the idea that moral good stems from maximizing pleasure and minimizing suffering, you let the baby die in order to save untold millions. If you're on board with some other moral philosophy (maybe you're a Kantian concerned with the morality of specific acts irrespective of justifications), then you refuse to kill. Maybe I'm late, but apparently one of the writers endorsed the idea that asking follow-up questions is what did her in. After all, if you're done with this world, why would you care about the exercise at all? I think that's a lot of bullshit and the idea of a scientific team this hell-bent on loving with people for no apparent end kinda hard to believe, but I guess that's the Leftover's premise kinda.
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May 15, 2017 20:38
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Rewatching old Nora clips and wow they set the last ep perfectly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7irSkn7ZpU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-q0S9mtC14
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May 15, 2017 21:10
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Shageletic posted:Rewatching old Nora clips and wow they set the last ep perfectly
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May 15, 2017 21:58
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JethroMcB posted:A bit of narrative frustration with this one. Why wouldn't Matt, who believes himself to be a potential author of the New New Testament, not ask a guy who has allegedly gone through the exact same thing as Kevin about his experience? Wasn't Jesus just one of several people claiming to be the son of God of a virginal birth at the time? Anyway, I think David and Kevin are both part of a new type of human that can bounce between life and death. In International Assassin we also saw a female doctor speaking Spanish and others in the background. I don't think they're common, but they aren't Jesus Christ unique. I also wonder if the 2% that disappeared tie into this newly developed ability  Edit: Also, Matt Episode delivers. Matt is a great character, I'm glad that they felt it was worth using 1/8 episodes for him!
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May 15, 2017 22:02
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Comatose Mary was in the hotel as well so I think it's still meant to be more of a general in-between place.
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I'm not sure what to think of this season. I felt like with only 8 episodes the stories would be much more compressed. But they've already had two standalone episodes for certain characters which are fine but think it's a waste not to use Carrie Coon. Maybe I just need to re-watch them again. Sometimes I think there are scenes that just add nothing to story. Sometimes I think they're getting too cute with stuff. Or maybe it's that we aren't getting new characters like we did in past season (in fact we're losing compelling characters). It'll probably all come together at the end to create a great finish but it just doesn't feel like this season has had a signature episode. Like I wouldn't put any of this season into my top 5 Leftovers episodes. Still enjoying it.
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May 16, 2017 01:25
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In the hotel both David and Kevin were clean shaven. Now, after "coming back" they have full beards.
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May 16, 2017 01:43
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Niwrad posted:I'm not sure what to think of this season. I felt like with only 8 episodes the stories would be much more compressed. But they've already had two standalone episodes for certain characters which are fine but think it's a waste not to use Carrie Coon. I'd agree that this season isn't as perfect so far as season 2 was. But as for scenes that add nothing to the story, at this point we don't really know for sure what the story is. Most of characters think its about the world ending in a few days, but the real story could still be about them being mistaken about that. We do have new characters this season, they just tend to be wrapped up in these video-game missions the other characters are on.
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Niwrad posted:I'm not sure what to think of this season. I felt like with only 8 episodes the stories would be much more compressed. But they've already had two standalone episodes for certain characters which are fine but think it's a waste not to use Carrie Coon. The second episode was a Nora episode. Personally, I don't like this season as much as the previous one so far though.
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May 16, 2017 02:18
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I thought the beginning of this season was bumpy but I've been liking this string of character study episodes much more than any of the stuff from the latter half of season 2 personally.
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SlipkPIe posted:The credits song should've been tossed salad and scrambled eggs Am I the only one who expected a Kelsey Grammar cameo? You never know with this show.
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cwinkle posted:Am I the only one who expected a Kelsey Grammar cameo? You never know with this show.
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May 16, 2017 02:42
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I just want one line of one of the remaining episodes to be "gently caress off kevin, you oval office mate" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuwprXAaSv0
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I'm kinda surprised there hasn't been a character introduced who's like "I didn't lose anyone, don't know anyone who did, the world was overpopulated anyway, so whatever." If only just for a contrast to everyone's pain and society's fallout from the Departure. "Yeah, it actually benefits humanity as a whole, guys. No biggie."
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sticklefifer posted:I'm kinda surprised there hasn't been a character introduced who's like "I didn't lose anyone, don't know anyone who did, the world was overpopulated anyway, so whatever." If only just for a contrast to everyone's pain and society's fallout from the Departure. "Yeah, it actually benefits humanity as a whole, guys. No biggie." Aimee in season one was the closest to that, although we never found out if she actually did lose somebody and was covering for it by pretending not to care.
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sticklefifer posted:I'm kinda surprised there hasn't been a character introduced who's like "I didn't lose anyone, don't know anyone who did, the world was overpopulated anyway, so whatever." If only just for a contrast to everyone's pain and society's fallout from the Departure. "Yeah, it actually benefits humanity as a whole, guys. No biggie." One of the cool things about the show is that none of the main characters lost anyone in the departure except Nora. And she is probably the least psychotic of them all.
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May 16, 2017 03:21
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I wouldn't say that. She's done some pretty crazy poo poo.
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May 16, 2017 03:47
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UmOk posted:One of the cool things about the show is that none of the main characters lost anyone in the departure except Nora. And she is probably the least psychotic of them all. Laurie too, sorta.
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Nora is absolutely the most damaged person in the show. She has taken on a self-assigned job to be the stable person in her immediate vicinity. She is unable to open up about her problems to the extent that she was planning to go through with the device, but assumed someone would stop her even though she was putting on a confident and sane performance. She doesn't want to burden anyone with her problems. That's why she didn't have Kevin split the $20k, because she didn't want to even bring it up. Kevin figured it out and was willing to do what he could to help, which is a larger metaphor for their entire relationship. She already accepted that she was going to lose Kevin from this, much like Kevin's confession caused her to run away. Kevin is equally worried about losing Nora because of his relapsing problems. She doesn't even know the details of his hotel experience. They're codependent and it's toxic, exactly as Nora joked on the plane, as she was telling Kevin why they were halfway across the Pacific. SLOSifl fucked around with this message at 03:56 on May 16, 2017 |
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SLOSifl posted:Nora is absolutely the most damaged person in the show. I dunno, as broken as Nora is at least she tries to soldier on. Matt let his wife and kid leave him without even trying to stop them because he thinks he's the protagonist in some religious video-game. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 04:14 on May 16, 2017 |
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And Kevin talks to dead people and drinks poison to cure himself. John burns down houses. Laurie, when not in a cult, is literally one of the scammers that Nora is against. UmOk fucked around with this message at 04:23 on May 16, 2017 |
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Yeah, Matt almost earned a whole paragraph. He still has (or had) some type of goal - approval from God. Recognition of his devotion. Nora doesn't have any motivation other than peacekeeping, personal harm, and admonishment for stolen valor. Nora is a very compelling and nuanced character. I just don't know what is driving her at the moment, other than the loss of her family. Not to minimize that, but it's not a forward-looking plan. Kevin at least thinks he wants a stable family with Nora, but she doesn't seem to have similarly "normal" future wishes. It's not a criticism of the writing or anything like that.
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I really wanted Kev and Nora to have a smoke together and chill and finally chat about what's actually happening to them. But then Kevin almost burns down the hotel like it he was an international assassin or something 
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SLOSifl posted:Yeah, Matt almost earned a whole paragraph. He still has (or had) some type of goal - approval from God. Recognition of his devotion. Nora doesn't have any motivation other than peacekeeping, personal harm, and admonishment for stolen valor. I think it all goes back to two scenes from the first season. This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nYG8H-sfks And the one where she's in the coffee shop and Jill sees her purposely knock her cup over to get a cheap jolt of attention and sympathy from the waiter. Put those two scenes together and its like she genuinely does want to move on from her losses but she also defines herself and her relationships with others entirely by them. She both wants and doesn't want to be "Nora Cursed" for the rest of her life.
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sticklefifer posted:I'm kinda surprised there hasn't been a character introduced who's like "I didn't lose anyone, don't know anyone who did, the world was overpopulated anyway, so whatever." If only just for a contrast to everyone's pain and society's fallout from the Departure. "Yeah, it actually benefits humanity as a whole, guys. No biggie." I think that's an impossible point of view to hold because millions upon millions of people vanished without any explanation. Everybody you know may still be there, it didn't affect your life in anyway other than "Huh did you see the news", you can mask it all you want and walk through the world with a blasé attitude, but that's still such a fundamentally loving insane thing that it would eat away at a person's psyche. Basically any character introduced with a "who cares" attitude would eventually turn out to be a serial killer with dozens of bodies crammed in their crawlspace.
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Can someone explain what the deal was with the bricks thrown through windows in season 2?
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JethroMcB posted:I think that's an impossible point of view to hold because millions upon millions of people vanished without any explanation. Everybody you know may still be there, it didn't affect your life in anyway other than "Huh did you see the news", you can mask it all you want and walk through the world with a blasé attitude, but that's still such a fundamentally loving insane thing that it would eat away at a person's psyche. Think of how much the country was impacted by 9/11. This was an event where close to 3,000 people died. The departure would have wiped out 7 million American instantaneously. It would be hard not to know someone who departed. Plus the sheer mystery behind it would cause chaos in the world. This wasn't an event like 9/11 where you can say 3,000 people died because terrorists flew planes into stuff. 7 million people would have disappeared and no one knows why. It could happen again at any minute for all they know. The world would be a really hosed up place. Something I think they've shown glimpses of (drones blowing up cults) but never given us the totality.
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