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It's awesome that Jeter being the most overrated player in baseball history isn't even controversial anymore. And kudos to the Astros for knocking the poo poo out of the ball in the first inning to crown the event the way it should have been.
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Kalenn Istarion posted:N: Jays swept Seattle and. Have now won their last 5. I too would rather Ryan Goins and Darwin Barney play instead of Josh Donaldson and Troy Tulowitzki.
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May 15, 2017 14:44
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Derek Jeter was a really good baseball player for a long time, I'll see myself out.
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bewbies posted:Derek Jeter was a really good baseball player for a long time, I'll see myself out. You got a lot of balls coming around here mister
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May 15, 2017 15:08
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bewbies posted:Derek Jeter was a really good baseball player for a long time, I'll see myself out. This is more true than all of the ridiculously contrarian "Actually Jeter was...very bad!" shitposting that has seized the entire online baseball community.
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May 15, 2017 15:18
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bewbies posted:Derek Jeter was a really good baseball player for a long time, I'll see myself out.  real talk: Jeter was an inverse Tony Romo, sort of. Above average most of the time, came up big when it mattered a lot. He's a hall of famer for sure, but the whole circle-jerk over him is bad. If he had that sort of career anywhere BUT NY, Chicago or Boston (maybe LA), ESPN may request the rights to that specific game, but by no means would they do the hours long circle jerk about him. Who would have thought trying to shove something in someone's faces as "THE BEST EVAR" would backfire! (*cough* cubs fans *cough*) iospace fucked around with this message at 15:21 on May 15, 2017 |
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May 15, 2017 15:18
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The Giants finally figured out this weekend that the season has started.
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bewbies posted:Derek Jeter was a really good baseball player for a long time, I'll see myself out. mods ?!?
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Also with all this Jeter business going reminded me that we should all demand an explanation why edit see I didn't even get his goddamn name right
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May 15, 2017 15:25
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Actually, question. Did ESPN do this sort of poo poo when Griffey's number was retired? He's probably the only person with any sort of clout that Jeter had in the public eye.
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May 15, 2017 15:25
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Der Meister posted:Why is Arrieta dead? What happened? I don't know exactly what happened but he's been bad since the start of last June. 4.42 ERA since June 2016. Jeter was pretty good. His lifetime slash is 310/377/440. His defense was extremely average to not good, though.
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May 15, 2017 15:25
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:I too would rather Ryan Goins and Darwin Barney play instead of Josh Donaldson and Troy Tulowitzki. Tulo has sucked, so yes I'd rather have Gogo in the field right now I never said Barney did I, of course donaldson's more valuable Inspector_666 posted:This is more true than all of the ridiculously contrarian "Actually Jeter was...very bad!" shitposting that has seized the entire online baseball community. Yeah man that guy who has over 3,000 career hits sure did suck 
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May 15, 2017 15:29
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Kalenn Istarion posted:Tulo has sucked, so yes I'd rather have Gogo in the field right now Ryan Goins is slashing 230/292/368 and Troy Tulowitzki is a really loving good defender. This is a ludicrous take.
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May 15, 2017 15:32
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Thom P. Tiers posted:I don't know exactly what happened but he's been bad since the start of last June. 4.42 ERA since June 2016. He was very badly overworked in 2015 (because Maddon didn't trust Lester) and I don't think he ever recovered. He started off last season absolutely dealing but he hasn't been able to adjust his approach whatsoever.
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May 15, 2017 15:34
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Kalenn Istarion posted:Tulo has sucked, so yes I'd rather have Gogo in the field right now Tulo at his worst is better than any version of Goins ever. Next caller.
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May 15, 2017 15:42
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May 15, 2017 15:43
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Gobias Ind. posted:Ryan Goins is slashing 230/292/368 and Troy Tulowitzki is a really loving good defender. This is a ludicrous take. Honestly I wasn't thinking it would be Tulo sitting out, Travis would be the more obvious bench when Tulo comes back. You can't tell me with a straight face that Travis deserves to be playing right now E: I know I went along with it in my previous post - my first post however I was more thinking of Travis somehow staying in while Goins or Barney got benched.
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May 15, 2017 15:44
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Except you only mentioned being mixed in what injured players should even play? Maybe you want Russell to sit in favor of Luke Maile!
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Except you only mentioned being mixed in what injured players should even play? Maybe you want Russell to sit in favor of Luke Maile! I mentioned him potentially getting sat with Tulo and Donaldson coming back, I forgot to mention who I thought should be sat instead Obviously there's no way to prove that but that's what I was thinking  I wasn't fully awake and probably wasn't very clear in my thinking
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I love DarBar as much as any SASer but yeah, he's going back to the bench where he belongs.
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shadok posted:Won't Goins be staying at 2B anyways? Devon Travis has a .725 ops in May. Goins is slashing .724 over the same period. Barney is .750 So maybe?
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ego symphonic posted:He'll never admit it but that's what most people suspect at this point. Either that or Joe Maddon managed to break his AND Ryan Zimmerman's brains simultaneously by intentionally walking Harper to get to Zim something like 6 times in a row in one game. I think someone read between the lines in an interview he gave over the off-season and it sounded like he was trying to cover-up the fact that there was a shoulder issue. I don't remember the exact interview, though. The other side to his season last year was that his exit velocity in 2015 seemed to predict a drop-off for 2016. Maybe not so extreme but it wasn't very good.
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I would still start Devon Travis over Ryan Goins every day. This team is not playing for anything this year. Ryan Goins is what he is - an all glove utility infielder. Devon Travis could/should be more than that. Let him either work his poo poo out, or prove that he is not very good.
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May 15, 2017 16:22
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The Jays are most certainly playing for something this year. They have 28 games over the next month and a half with Atlanta, Oakland, Milwaukee, Texas, Cincinnati and the White Sox.
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May 15, 2017 16:26
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iospace posted:Actually, question. Did ESPN do this sort of poo poo when Griffey's number was retired? He's probably the only person with any sort of clout that Jeter had in the public eye. 1) Not a Yankee and 2) Didn't spend his whole career on one team and 3) Wasn't instrumental in a number of championships I still can't believe that Jeter toss that got Giambi Despite his injuries, Griffey did retire with a higher WAR than Jeter though 
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Gobias Ind. posted:I would still start Devon Travis over Ryan Goins every day. This team is not playing for anything this year. Ryan Goins is what he is - an all glove utility infielder. Devon Travis could/should be more than that. Let him either work his poo poo out, or prove that he is not very good. Travis has had some good moments but he has underperformed his potential at pretty much every turn As bad as Maile has been with the bat I'm surprised the Jays didn't nav Navarro on a cheap deal to fill the massive hole in the order Kalenn Istarion fucked around with this message at 17:00 on May 15, 2017 |
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:The Jays are most certainly playing for something this year. They have 28 games over the next month and a half with Atlanta, Oakland, Milwaukee, Texas, Cincinnati and the White Sox. I guess "nothing to play for" is unfair. I don't envision them truly contending for a playoff spot, but the opportunity is somehow there. Doesn't change my opinion re: Travis vs. Goins though (and that's not directed towards you, as I suspect you'd agree) Kalenn Istarion posted:Travis has had some good moments but he has underperformed his potential at pretty much every turn As opposed to Ryan Goins who has been mediocre-bad his whole career? At least Devon Travis HAS potential.
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Jeter was quite a bit better than "above average". He was a great player and a likable personality for most of his career. He is a surefire HOF'er and although he was never one of the top 5 elite players offensive or defensively during his years, he was still a fantastic player even though his last few yeras would have been better served no longer as a SS and probably 7 or 8th in a lineup. Thats coming as a Jays fan too.
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tadashi posted:I think someone read between the lines in an interview he gave over the off-season and it sounded like he was trying to cover-up the fact that there was a shoulder issue. I don't remember the exact interview, though. I think its fair to say that he was due for some regression, but regression alone can't account for the drop off we saw last year and there's other reasons to suspect that an injury was to blame. Namely that he continued hitting the poo poo out the ball in April before crashing hard and abruptly in May and has since resumed hitting the poo poo out of the ball.
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Gobias Ind. posted:Ryan Goins is slashing 230/292/368 and Troy Tulowitzki is a really loving good defender. This is a ludicrous take. Its not the craziest one ever. Goins has hit the ball well in the past few weeks, Tulo has been Tulo since he was traded. Also goins is a better defender. I'd still rather have Tulo, but over the next few years if he keeps sucking at hitting and regresses at D... I'm starting to think the Rockies knew what they were doing when they traded Tulo away. But I am immensely glad we dont have that piece of poo poo reyes on our team anymore.
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Gobias Ind. posted:I guess "nothing to play for" is unfair. I don't envision them truly contending for a playoff spot, but the opportunity is somehow there. I thought Goins has pretty good defensive stats?
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patonthebach posted:Its not the craziest one ever. Goins has hit the ball well in the past few weeks,  I mean, he's hit a lot of singles lately, but Ryan Goins has literally never been good, ever, and he's 29. I think he's one of the better utility infielders around but that's pretty much all he is.
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patonthebach posted:Its not the craziest one ever. Goins has hit the ball well in the past few weeks, Tulo has been Tulo since he was traded. Also goins is a better defender. I'd still rather have Tulo, but over the next few years if he keeps sucking at hitting and regresses at D... We're talking about this year, not the next few years. But even still, As Darude said, Troy Tulowitzki's worst is still better than Ryan Goins at his best. I think they are pretty comparable defenders (not able to look up numbers right now) at this stage, but even if Goins is better, it's not enough to make up the offensive gap. e: Goins is a good defender, but that's all he is. IMO the Jays need to be finding out who is a viable long-term piece. We know what Goins is at this point. A fine 4th IF that can spell your starters. Let Devon Travis play a full year and see what he does. Gobias Ind. fucked around with this message at 17:16 on May 15, 2017 |
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Also, if you want the hot hand in there, Travis has been hitting 313/294/563 over the past 7 days.
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patonthebach posted:Jeter was quite a bit better than "above average". He was a great player and a likable personality for most of his career. He is a surefire HOF'er and although he was never one of the top 5 elite players offensive or defensively during his years, he was still a fantastic player even though his last few yeras would have been better served no longer as a SS and probably 7 or 8th in a lineup. He ranks 12th all-time according to JAWS for shortstops, which looks at a player's peak 7 years WAR vs. their career WAR. He's above the HoF average by that metric, ranking above Larkin, Boudreau, and Reese, who are all deserving members. Just to point out, Alan Trammel is 1 spot above Jeter and that motherfucker should be in the Hall of Fame. Looking at you, veteran's committee.
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Gobias Ind. posted:This team is not playing for anything this year.. The Jays aren't completely out of contention if Donaldson comes back healthy and doesn't get sold off.
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patonthebach posted:he was still a fantastic player even though his last few yeras would have been better served no longer as a SS and probably 7 or 8th in a lineup. Reminder that 38 year old Jeter led the league in PA's, AB's and Hits while slashing 316/362/429. Then he got hurt and died the following season, and played way too many games in his retirement year at age 40.
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shadok posted:The Jays aren't completely out of contention if Donaldson comes back healthy and doesn't get sold off. They will suck for another month and package Donaldson off to the Red Sox. 
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Wow, I didn't realize Billy Hamilton already has 19 SB in just 34 games. What's a realistic outcome if he can stay healthy, 90?
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Mike_V posted:Wow, I didn't realize Billy Hamilton already has 19 SB in just 34 games. What's a realistic outcome if he can stay healthy, 90? If he can realistically get on pace for 90, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Reds cut him loose and try for 100, as long as they don't worry about him getting injured.
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