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basic hitler posted:It wasn't how they handled the election? Yep. I used to trust things like CNN, NPR, the WSJ and so on and think they were trustworthy outlets, but now I don't trust anything. I think 2016 broke my trust in the media and the DNC permanently. I got a glimpse of the man behind the curtain and it turns out that the Wizard of Oz isn't as fearsome as he appears to be.
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Gammatron 64 posted:He dared to say that he wasn't interested in seeing the Ghostbusters remake because he has a strong attachment to the original and the remake didn't look funny. This somehow made him into a he-man woman hater even though he didn't mention anything about the gender of the new Ghostbusters. Oh I'm pretty sure I saw that video. And yeah it was totally toothless and he didn't make it about gender at all. I'm surprised and in fact skeptical that there was much controversy about it.
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basic hitler posted:It wasn't how they handled the election? half of the country is going through this btw
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spacetoaster posted:There's actually a lot of ways people on either side of the "aisle" could work together. It's a lot more complicated than that- if it was that easy, it would already be done.
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basic hitler posted:It wasn't how they handled the election? Gammatron 64 posted:Yep. I used to trust things like CNN, NPR, the WSJ and so on and think they were trustworthy outlets, but now I don't trust anything. I think 2016 broke my trust in the media and the DNC permanently. I got a glimpse of the man behind the curtain and it turns out that the Wizard of Oz isn't as fearsome as he appears to be. I was pretty surprised when i found out that the election coverage was inaccurately reflecting the situation on the ground! but i look at it like i look at the news that we're number one in postnatal mortality in the developed world. People can be self sustainable to a great degree but most people can't be doctors! Let's not give up on the doctors, though! basic hitler posted:I'll hate hillary clinton till my last moment alive and as i rise to god to face judgement there's a non-zero chance I will God-drat her at the pearly gates. I know we like to josh around on this forum but if i can be opposed to hillary and still see her as human im sure you can too! I won't belabor the point though, because I'm tired of debating with people who i love whose opinions are similar to mine. I know now at the end of the day when we rest our heads on our pillows we can all silently agree that democrats and republicans and hillary are all one people.
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Chomp8645 posted:Oh I'm pretty sure I saw that video. And yeah it was totally toothless and he didn't make it about gender at all. that's probably one of the first instances of the idpol internet poo poo cracking apart people were like, "wait, what the gently caress are you mad at HIM for?" that remake was rear end and the people who attacked critics for saying so based on some imaginary slight are probably responsible for a ton of people saying "ok, this has gone too far" Lawrence Gilchrist posted:I know we like to josh around on this forum but if i can be opposed to hillary and still see her as human im sure you can too! I won't belabor the point though, because I'm tired of debating with people who i love whose opinions are similar to mine. I know now at the end of the day when we rest our heads on our pillows we can all silently agree that democrats and republicans and hillary are all one people. Hillary Clinton is an android created at the start of the Cold War in a joint project between IBM and General Atomics VikingSkull fucked around with this message at 16:32 on May 15, 2017 |
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Gammatron 64 posted:Yep. I used to trust things like CNN, NPR, the WSJ and so on and think they were trustworthy outlets, but now I don't trust anything. I think 2016 broke my trust in the media and the DNC permanently. I got a glimpse of the man behind the curtain and it turns out that the Wizard of Oz isn't as fearsome as he appears to be. Stability is an illusion.
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nigga crab pollock posted:half of the country is going through this btw the other half was already ahead on it turns out limbaugh listeners... were the woke ones all along
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VikingSkull posted:that's probably one of the first instances of the idpol internet poo poo cracking apart is there really an article out there saying this? i got the impression hearing about it on here that people were down on the remake because a) didn't take into account what the fans wanted and b) the gender swap seemed pointless. i clicked on some of the articles from the megathreads people made and they were all like that.
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Panzeh posted:It's a lot more complicated than that- if it was that easy, it would already be done. Sure. I'm talking about me personally. The meeting I was at was organizing to assist refugees coming in to the U.S. from Syria (and other places). I'm a right winger (by some definitions), but I feel for the people who are suffering because of our misguided foreign policy (gently caress Obama and Clinton). And my feelings force me to go and do things to help (even if I have to work with people who would actually spit on me if they knew my political party).
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Lawrence Gilchrist posted:is there really an article out there saying this? i got the impression hearing about it on here that people were down on the remake because a) didn't take into account what the fans wanted and b) the gender swap seemed pointless. i clicked on some of the articles from the megathreads people made and they were all like that. It seemed like fake controversy as marketing
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Accretionist posted:It seemed like fake controversy as marketing i have only the slightest of problems believing a marketing goofball got forwarded a bunch of twitters or posts or whatever about being mad that women were cast as the ghostbusters and rolling with it, without evidence
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spacetoaster posted:Sure. I'm talking about me personally. they might be sad at you for empowering a abrasive and cocksure candidate but spitting seems a bit much. youre all in the org together bub
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Accretionist posted:It seemed like fake controversy as marketing It was. Lawrence Gilchrist posted:is there really an article out there saying this? i got the impression hearing about it on here that people were down on the remake because a) didn't take into account what the fans wanted and b) the gender swap seemed pointless. i clicked on some of the articles from the megathreads people made and they were all like that. There were multiple articles calling him a misogynist. https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/ghostbusters-reboot-movie-critic-refuses-to-review/ http://www.avclub.com/article/ghostbusters-frozen-and-strange-entitlement-fan-cu-237139 http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05/18/the-soft-sexism-of-hating-on-the-new-ghostbusters https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/19/fashion/ghostbusters-internet-attacks.html https://heatst.com/entertainment/angry-video-game-nerd-james-rolfe-will-be-right-about-ghostbusters-being-terrible/ Ultimately, James won in the end by not even responding to the people who attacked him. People did hit pieces on him and I know a few people who weren't familiar with him who didn't watch the video all the way through and thought he was a sexist because various news articles said so. GET IN THE ROBOT fucked around with this message at 17:12 on May 15, 2017 |
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spacetoaster posted:Sure. I'm talking about me personally. From my personal experience, when I talk politics with my republican buddies, what happens really fast is that we get nowhere because we don't even come from the same frame of reference. Take abortion, for example. If you believe abortion is murder, then honestly your proposal to increase sex education to reduce abortions doesn't make sense- their position is that the whole thing should be illegal. The problem for them is abortion itself, not unwanted children. We can't really debate because we come from totally different perspectives. This is why, while I have republican friends, I rarely discuss politics with them. It leaves me thinking a lot less of them and probably leaves them thinking similarly of me.
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Lawrence Gilchrist posted:I was pretty surprised when i found out that the election coverage was inaccurately reflecting the situation on the ground! but i look at it like i look at the news that we're number one in postnatal mortality in the developed world. People can be self sustainable to a great degree but most people can't be doctors! Let's not give up on the doctors, though! Doctors have lots of special training Bloggers usually have zero training. Bad journalists have an undergraduate degree. The most specialized services they provide are investigation and fact-checking, which is the exact two things the MSM has completely abandoned lately due to cost-cutting and politics There is an enormous difference
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Panzeh posted:From my personal experience, when I talk politics with my republican buddies, what happens really fast is that we get nowhere because we don't even come from the same frame of reference. Take abortion, for example. If you believe abortion is murder, then honestly your proposal to increase sex education to reduce abortions doesn't make sense- their position is that the whole thing should be illegal. The problem for them is abortion itself, not unwanted children. We can't really debate because we come from totally different perspectives. It's just being super pragmatic. Being 100% against abortion right this second isn't going to stop a single abortion. Promoting sex education and birth control will (well, there's a high probability it will). Abortion is probably a bad example to be using for this anyway. Drug addiction is a problem that affects everyone, and everyone wants it to stop. It's just how do we go about doing that, and who is proposing what.
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spacetoaster posted:It's just being super pragmatic. Being 100% against abortion right this second isn't going to stop a single abortion. Promoting sex education and birth control will (well, there's a high probability it will). A totally logical human being probably would, but most people aren't. Especially people who you need to convince about abortion. They have a pretty easy answer: "You know what's even easier- closing your legs if you don't want a baby." As I said, frames of reference. For you, that makes perfect sense, for them, you sound like an idiot.
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Panzeh posted:for them, you sound like an idiot. Well they're not wrong.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8ws_APXilE
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Panzeh posted:A totally logical human being probably would, but most people aren't. Especially people who you need to convince about abortion. They have a pretty easy answer: "You know what's even easier- closing your legs if you don't want a baby." they are called wedge issues for a reason try discussing relevant things like foreign policy and economic issues and I bet you come to a different conclusion
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Lawrence Gilchrist posted:i have only the slightest of problems believing a marketing goofball got forwarded a bunch of twitters or posts or whatever about being mad that women were cast as the ghostbusters and rolling with it, without evidence quote:Sony Pictures head Tom Rothman has a message for those who are "pissing and moaning" over the studio's upcoming female Ghostbusters: "You know, f— 'em," he said Friday. Link The head of Sony Pictures handwaved criticism of a lovely movie as simple misogyny.
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VikingSkull posted:they are called wedge issues for a reason "Foreign policy" and "economic issues" are really vague. If you discuss vague principles, you can easily get agreement. If you discuss any individual economic issue, though, i'm fairly sure you will get similar disagreement to what I just said about abortion. You'll see it here- people who support bernie, but then proceed to argue against everything he was for, like free college, free healthcare, higher taxes on the rich, etc.
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It was apparently too much to hope that Hillary Clinton would, in defeat, be treated with the respect that she was denied during the campaign -- or, more accurately, during her entire career. What is more depressing is that even some of her most prominent supposed admirers still enjoy piling on when Clinton is being attacked. When Clinton kept herself out of the public eye after the election, she was mocked for "wandering in the woods" and was the target of other smart-alecky criticisms from avowedly liberal comedians and commentators. Now that she has broken her silence and made some public appearances, we are being reminded of the double standards and outright nastiness that has been aimed at Clinton for decades. Last week, Clinton gave an extended interview to the journalist Christiane Amanpour at the 9th Annual Women for Women International Conference. (A transcript is available here.) It was predictable that Amanpour would ask about the election, and it was just as predictable that anything Clinton said on that subject would be featured in sound bites across the media landscape. What I did not predict -- perhaps because, after all these years, I have still not given up hope that liberals will stop being so self-defeating -- is that Clinton would immediately be bashed by supposedly sympathetic commentators. http://www.dorfonlaw.org/2017/05/supposed-liberals-reunite-for-more.html?m=1
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VikingSkull posted:Link everything about modern discourse is the dumbest loving poo poo every loving day from every loving direction
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Doctors have lots of special training agreed, the comparison was just to say they do things the average person can't be expected to do with the tools available to them.
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Gammatron 64 posted:It was. VikingSkull posted:Link the links seemed organized from most to least critical of mr rolfe's personal position. i was relieved to see none of them directly accused him of holding misogynistic views although the first one was like "hey this guy disagrees, boo on him" and the last one was the opposite which fits the impression of their angles based on the sidebar material. anyway i looked at the avgn video after that and it was a bit sad to see he's basically doing a vlog version of the thinkpieces. its no suprise culture warrior attitudes feed off each other knd of like pewdiepie capitalizing on the culture war only to get outcapitalized by newspapers using him as their test case to see if people care about facts anymore after the election. bummers all around i guess
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Blue Train posted:It was apparently too much to hope that Hillary Clinton would, in defeat, be treated with the respect that she was denied during the campaign -- or, more accurately, during her entire career. What is more depressing is that even some of her most prominent supposed admirers still enjoy piling on when Clinton is being attacked. It feels like all of her allies in the media and the opinion makers were tired of holding her water. I'm still reading Shattered, and most of the writing comes off as too afraid to say anything derogatory about the Clintons even while the HRC was a horrible poo poo to everyone in her orbit. The authors do their best to humanize her and make her sympathetic by calling her a shy policy wonk that comes off as super reserved in public. They say things like "the staff only wanted to help HRC, but didn't know how" but then it's "So and so was the aide designated to break the bad news to HRC this time, as she was the the person on the plane least likely to set her off." During debate prep they had to worry what topics to bring up with her with their Trump stand in for fear of sending her flying into a rage that stopped all work for the day. I get the feeling a lot of these people knew the "real Hilary" and she wasn't at all what they said she was during her time as Abuela. Now that she's wounded and not in a position to drone detractor's houses, it's easier to dump on her.
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VikingSkull posted:Link Does anyone even remember the Ghostbusters reboot at this point beyond the ones still waging Twitter war over it like an out-of-shape hiroo onada I feel like the people who care deeply and exclusively about the gender of the cast one way or another were about the only ones who actually watched it A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 18:27 on May 15, 2017 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Does anyone even remember the Ghostbusters reboot at this point beyond the ones still waging Twitter war over it like an out-of-shape hiroo onada the new ghostbusters was a funny popcorn flick and sjw nonsense is a cancer on society Blue Train posted:It was apparently too much to hope that Hillary Clinton would, in defeat, be treated with the respect that she was denied during the campaign -- or, more accurately, during her entire career. What is more depressing is that even some of her most prominent supposed admirers still enjoy piling on when Clinton is being attacked. this is magically stupid
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Bholder posted:Is this the "how I got redpilled" thread? Til we get Hilldawg's new book, why not?
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i thought the new ghost busters was bad, but i also am not a huge fan of the concept in general. The older movies are just OK and the new one was never going to rise above those. everyone into the politics on either side is moronic
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basic hitler posted:i thought the new ghost busters was bad, but i also am not a huge fan of the concept in general. The older movies are just OK and the new one was never going to rise above those. I'm an old bad person who can't get on board with CGI. And seeing the practical effects in the new star war movie just cemented that position.
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The internet has kinda hosed with the way criticism goes, too. I would say a lot of the reason is that the internet gives us tools to immediately fire back with the first thing that comes to mind combined with the echo chamber effect that the internet has. Criticism from certain people becomes 'racism' and from other people it's 'censorship'
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spacetoaster posted:Til we get Hilldawg's new book, why not? It won't be worth reading unless she finally gets to the bottom of why people even like that damned Bernie Sanders.
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basic hitler posted:The older movies are just OK and the new one was never going to rise above those. i think the new one was genuinely better than gb2 i also think that that really wasn't a high bar to clear if hillary clinton was a lady ghostbuster she would have been the annoying skeptic main character that consistently gets outshined by everyone else ted cruz would have been the nerdy evil guy collecting ghosts like pokemon(gooooo to the polls!)
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tactlessbastard posted:It won't be worth reading unless she finally gets to the bottom of why people even like that damned Bernie Sanders. It's probably going to be an expansion of blaming everyone for her loss.
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Chomp8645 posted:Oh I'm pretty sure I saw that video. And yeah it was totally toothless and he didn't make it about gender at all. I think I remember AVGN saying at one point that he thought female Ghost Busters was a good idea because they had to have a different take than the original since any remake would be a failure in comparison with the first one being so good. And I could be wrong about this but I believe that I remember hearing stuff about Sony silencing a lot of criticism in the comments sections while drawing attention to the actual misogynistic trolls to create interest based on the controversy. loving hell I just knew that any comedy Sony attempts will most likely be a lazy cash grab filled with advertisements regardless of the genders of anyone in the film.
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spacetoaster posted:It's just being super pragmatic. Being 100% against abortion right this second isn't going to stop a single abortion. Promoting sex education and birth control will (well, there's a high probability it will). Banning abortion and allowing contraception aren't mutually exclusive, but if you view abortion as murder enough of your actually sincere allies in opposing it think sex ed teaches kids to gently caress that you might tactically go for the 'let the states/parents decide' dodge rather than throw in your lot with the folks who vocally support a right to abortion. They're being pragmatic within the actual political context where they need to work with other people on their mutual interests, not the one where they're arbitrarily determining the ideal policy package with no thought to how to make it happen
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Gammatron 64 posted:It was. Say whatever else you want about the guy, the dude can navigate the waters of scandal with a steady hand. It's not everyone who's so devoted to his craft that he shrugs off people who go for the throat like that- I mean, these are the same people who broke jontron and any number other impious minor celebs. They can get nasty and loud. But ol James is here for the movies and the movies alone, and I really respect that. It's a trait that I frankly envy.
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