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Oberleutnant posted:Y'all aint never gonna learn British People. British People Never Change.
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May 15, 2017 18:33
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Namtab posted:
Oh for sure, but I dont see how Hitler has anything to do directly with Corbyn's manifesto, or his hiring of a Stalinist (sorry a guy that was a Stalinist till December but is not totes a mainstream labour member) to run his campaign. Or how Labour expects to pay for all of the new entitlements they want without vindictive taxation.
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May 15, 2017 18:34
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Evil_Urna posted:When someone has large amounts of income, they tend to be able to just pick up and leave and make a go of it somewhere where they are not going to suffer vindictive taxation just because they are good at what they do. That’s fine as long as they are forced to stash all of their wealth in third world countries with little or no financial security.
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May 15, 2017 18:36
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Evil_Urna posted:Oh for sure, but I dont see how Hitler has anything to do directly with Corbyn's manifesto, or his hiring of a Stalinist (sorry a guy that was a Stalinist till December but is not totes a mainstream labour member) to run his campaign. Or how Labour expects to pay for all of the new entitlements they want without vindictive taxation. Look I don't even understand why you like the Nazis in 2017 as much as you do, but I think it affects your politics
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May 15, 2017 18:37
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzIVssqm9Hs
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May 15, 2017 18:39
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Jedit posted:They aren't wholly separate issues, they're linked by cause and effect. If you want to increase spending you need to increase revenue; this is indisputable. But you can't handwave it by saying "We'll increase taxes on the rich" when half the problem is that the rich are able to evade the taxes they should be paying now. Twice nothing is still nothing. The actual solutions are international (workers of the world unite after all) as it's far too easy for companies to set their structures up to site their profits in the places with the cheapest rates no matter where they actually do things. Add in intellectual property fees and franchising etc and attempting to reclaim any money from multinationals is sodding difficult. So the only solution is basically start by going for the throat: pay up or we will properly start loving you up.
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May 15, 2017 18:40
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Namtab posted:Look I don't even understand why you like the Nazis in 2017 as much as you do, but I think it affects your politics I bet Hitler thought he was a centrist
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May 15, 2017 18:43
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Evil_Urna posted:I thought I was quite clear earlier. I am not even right wing. I am a centrist like most politically mature people. There are ups and downs with both sides in the US and UK, and you gotta comprise to make the system work. The entire parliamentary system is based on give and take to get done what the people need. Not once side taking total control and ruling by fiat. The 'centrist' status quo that you're defending allows the mentally disabled to go homeless and die starving on the streets, in first world nations no less, so that people with more wealth than they could ever need don't have to have panic attacks about maybe not being quite so obscenely rich and never in fact be prevented from taking as much as they like from other people's labour. Get hosed, you right wing piece of poo poo.
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May 15, 2017 18:43
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"Vindictive taxation" is a smart insidious little soundbite. Have you tried marketing it to the alt-right?
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May 15, 2017 18:43
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I like the sound of vindictive taxation.
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May 15, 2017 18:44
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Politically I self-identify as a mature centrist, by which I mean Yemenis don't deserve or even need to be able to live and domestically poverty should be dealt with humanely and philanthropically with the distribution of exit bags.
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May 15, 2017 18:45
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It funds "vindictive society" and "vindictive services" such as "vindictive libraries" and "vindictive public transport". Rename the "left" to "the vindictives". So it's "the vindictives vs the right". Who's badass now?
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May 15, 2017 18:46
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Evil_Urna posted:Oh for sure, but I dont see how Hitler has anything to do directly with Corbyn's manifesto, or his hiring of a Stalinist (sorry a guy that was a Stalinist till December but is not totes a mainstream labour member) to run his campaign. Or how Labour expects to pay for all of the new entitlements they want without vindictive taxation. "My affection for Hitler has nothing to do with this, now let me get back to discrediting the ideology Hitler hated most by smearing people by political association with the man who defeated him."
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May 15, 2017 18:48
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I thought the idea was that labour wouldn't ask anyone but the very highest earners to pay more tax?
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May 15, 2017 18:48
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I am vindictive nurse prepare for strike
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May 15, 2017 18:48
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Pissflaps posted:I thought the idea was that labour wouldn't ask anyone but the very highest earners to pay more tax? Yeah that's the idea
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May 15, 2017 18:48
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Namtab posted:Yeah that's the idea Doesn't sound very vindictive. Lets hope the real manifesto offers more to welfare claimants than the leaked one though.
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May 15, 2017 18:50
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Pissflaps posted:I thought the idea was that labour wouldn't ask anyone but the very highest earners to pay more tax? Unfortunately funding essential elements of society by taxing the people who most benefit from societies existence is vindictive.
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May 15, 2017 18:50
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Regarde Aduck posted:"Vindictive taxation" is a smart insidious little soundbite. Have you tried marketing it to the alt-right? Thank you. I think it works well. Trying to crush business men who actually add to the economy because you are jealous of others success, or out of class spite or whatever. But it has been proven again and again that vindictive taxation upon the wealthy drives down the economy, and forces companies to offshore and to take money out of the local economy. Thatcher and Regans policy's worked great in England and America until they were neutered and abandoned by administrations down the line.
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May 15, 2017 18:50
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The top 5% of earners are awfully rich so let's tax them more.
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May 15, 2017 18:51
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Evil_Urna posted:
Everyone remember; he's not right-wing hes a centrist.
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May 15, 2017 18:51
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Evil_Urna posted:Thank you. I think it works well. Trying to crush business men who actually add to the economy because you are jealous of others success, or out of class spite or whatever. But it has been proven again and again that vindictive taxation upon the wealthy drives down the economy, and forces companies to offshore and to take money out of the local economy. Hey look another post for the hall of fame
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May 15, 2017 18:52
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Haha the big Hitler fan thinks trickle down works and doesn't result in one guy being extremely rich
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May 15, 2017 18:52
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What about instead of trickle down we have a loving waterfall through progressive tax rates and an inland revenue with actual teeth
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May 15, 2017 18:53
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Namtab posted:What about instead of trickle down we have a loving waterfall through progressive tax rates and an inland revenue with actual teeth Too vindictive. What if we have a brutal police state or perhaps a prison industrial complex that systematically targets racial minorities.
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May 15, 2017 18:55
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Ah yes the legal structures obligated to minimise liabilities and maximise company profits are forced, forced to act irresponsibly to others around them by governments trying to stop them from acting irresponsibly to others around them.
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May 15, 2017 18:55
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BBC news at 6 showed a whole two seconds of that women accosting Theresa May about disability benefits, with a voiceover used to completely drown out what the woman said. Then cut to May making another speech about strong and stable. Boy it would be nice if actual voter interactions were given anywhere near as much airtime as boring, information-free stump speeches. Also Ken Loach has directed the next Labour party political broadcast.
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May 15, 2017 18:56
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Benjamin Arthur posted:Too vindictive. What if we have a brutal police state or perhaps a prison industrial complex that systematically targets racial minorities. I feel we should ban anyone from flying to the UK from the middle east, and also ask for sadiq Khan's birth certificate
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May 15, 2017 18:57
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I try to not think the worst of people but anyone defending trickle down economics really are just taking the piss.
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May 15, 2017 18:58
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jabby posted:Also Ken Loach has directed the next Labour party political broadcast. I don't know if Peter Mullan crying into a can of special brew is really the message we want to send the electorate though.
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May 15, 2017 18:58
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jabby posted:BBC news at 6 showed a whole two seconds of that women accosting Theresa May about disability benefits, with a voiceover used to completely drown out what the woman said. Then cut to May making another speech about strong and stable. I've heard that it may have been a set up by the Tories anyway. Wasn't exactly a 'bigoted woman' moment.
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May 15, 2017 18:58
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I'm a high earner and I say tax the gently caress out of me. I mean Jesus Christ you Reaganomics idiots, trickle-down doesn't work, gently caress the assholes who evade tax, draining the wealth of workers (in the form of time of their lives and expertise and effort which are not valued properly at all) and giving nothing back to society.
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May 15, 2017 19:00
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Just saw a Labour party political broadcast that was literally just Corbyn putting forward his ideas, like an interview without the questions and some rally clips. No music or anything, no slick production, just straight talking Kind of refreshing to be honest, wonder if it'll work
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May 15, 2017 19:00
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Fans posted:I try to not think the worst of people Yet another example of weak ineffectual moderation on something awful
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May 15, 2017 19:01
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Pissflaps posted:I've heard that it may have been a set up by the Tories anyway. Wasn't exactly a 'bigoted woman' moment. Why on Earth would the Tories set it up for May to be torn into by a woman and clearly have no answers to give? It's been fairly widely reported in newspapers and on social media, and described as one of the most difficult moments yet for May on the campaign trail (read: first interaction with a real voter). If the BBC is going to give May several minutes to deliver her slogans it would be nice if it could devote at least five seconds to her being confronted by one of the victims of her policies.
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May 15, 2017 19:03
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Evil_Urna posted:Why would you want to murder a centrist? We make up the majority of the electorate. Kind of hard to have an economy and pay for your expansive welfare state when all of your earners are dead. How much do you contribute to the British exchequer exactly?
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May 15, 2017 19:03
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feedmegin posted:How much do you contribute to the British exchequer exactly? In money or hot takes?
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May 15, 2017 19:07
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The Tories and their supporters might actually be real-life Ferengi.
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May 15, 2017 19:13
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How many hot takes does it take to buy a Freddo?
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May 15, 2017 19:14
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