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Crabtree posted:Unfortunately for me most of my work is lovely young, middle and old rural white people that are loving pumped that Agent Orange if visiting us for the Liberty Graduation this year, making it another Christmas like shopping rush. It's gonna be real great hearing about how some of them just couldn't come in tomorrow because they need to scream for the Fuhrer. Paradoxically I think the young Trump supporters are going to be the holdouts while the older ones will be the first he sheds. Most people, particularly older people, don't pay that much attention to politics and don't go past checking headlines when it comes to news (which is why I think just looking at headlines is a great start into piercing the veil of right wing opinions) and they liked the superficial soundbyte version of Trump but aren't liking the reality. They haven't made a huge emotional investment in him so it doesn't cause them as much psychic pain to ditch him. A lot of them have voted for stinkers in the past so they don't have as hard a time admitting they cast their vote for the wrong person. Young Trump supporters are more likely to be extremely emotionally invested in him, not have an experience of admitting they voted poorly, and are much more likely to be sympathetic to the alt-right and their brand of crazy. Dumping Trump would require serious introspection and emotional maturity; if they had those they wouldn't be a young Trump supporter to begin with. (Note that none of what I said about middle aged politically apathetic Trump voters applies to Trump's vocal base.)
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Xibanya posted:Paradoxically I think the young Trump supporters are going to be the holdouts while the older ones will be the first he sheds. Most people, particularly older people, don't pay that much attention to politics and don't go past checking headlines when it comes to news (which is why I think just looking at headlines is a great start into piercing the veil of right wing opinions) and they liked the superficial soundbyte version of Trump but aren't liking the reality. They haven't made a huge emotional investment in him so it doesn't cause them as much psychic pain to ditch him. A lot of them have voted for stinkers in the past so they don't have as hard a time admitting they cast their vote for the wrong person. Young Trump supporters are more likely to be extremely emotionally invested in him, not have an experience of admitting they voted poorly, and are much more likely to be sympathetic to the alt-right and their brand of crazy. Dumping Trump would require serious introspection and emotional maturity; if they had those they wouldn't be a young Trump supporter to begin with. Older ones probably remember the good old days and how their party wasn't full of such pieces of poo poo so yeah i imagine so; younger grew up with the whole CRYING LIBTARDS narrative
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Sloober posted:Older ones probably remember the good old days and how their party wasn't full of such pieces of poo poo so yeah i imagine so; younger grew up with the whole CRYING LIBTARDS narrative I think a lot don't even have much of an attachment to their party. Most independents end up voting R but it shows that even though they pull the level for Republicans each time, they're not so much attached to the party as they would find voting Dem unthinkable. Confession: I'm one of these independents. Texas has open primaries though so I got to vote for Bernie and get to do the smug "not only do I not own a television, I'm not a registered Democrat OR Republican!"  Since I could first vote in 2008 I have voted pretty much straight ticket D every time  E: yeah the DOJ brings charges for federal crimes which is why we're hosed while the racist elf is in charge of it
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Twelve by Pies posted:He claims that in the next six months he's going to release all this information that will prove he's right, and I assume specific claims that he made, such as there being a leftist group, funded by George Soros, that strongarmed the advertisers who pulled ads from his show into doing so, and that the protests against him were also funded by Soros. I seem to recall him being real happy when Thiel won his personal war with Gawker by funding a conspiracy-like network to attack from multiple angles. Even if he's right, it's just the invisible hand of
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Relentless posted:I seem to recall him being real happy when Thiel won his personal war with Gawker by funding a conspiracy-like network to attack from multiple angles. Even if he's right, it's just the invisible hand of Well, the only good {vast shadow-funded conspiracy of hostile intent} is my {vast shadow-funded conspiracy of hostile intent}, so that checks out. (See the IOKIYAR rule.) Xibanya posted:E: yeah the DOJ brings charges for federal crimes which is why we're hosed while the racist elf is in charge of it Goddammit, all I want for my birthday is a Jeff Sessions presser where he announces he's "stepping down to spend more time with [his] white family," but my birthday's in October 
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Relentless posted:I seem to recall him being real happy when Thiel won his personal war with Gawker by funding a conspiracy-like network to attack from multiple angles. Even if he's right, it's just the invisible hand of Yeah that whole conflict got turned into a political issue in the right wing talk radio circuit, with Gawker's destruction painted as a victory for conservatism (don't think about it too hard, the listeners don't.) Amusingly I admitted to that conservative friend I like to mention that one of my guilty pleasures is Jezebel's Shade Court and he seemed horrified that the Gawker sub blogs live on (they were purchased by Univision.) guess that goes against the "victory for conservatism" narrative so he'd never heard about it.
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Xibanya posted:E: yeah the DOJ brings charges for federal crimes which is why we're hosed while the racist elf is in charge of it In theory he has recused himself from matters involving the Russia investigation. But I think that means that the Rosenstein guy who wrote the Comey memo would be in charge of providing attorneys to the FBI or appointing a special prosecutor.
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Xibanya posted:Yeah that whole conflict got turned into a political issue in the right wing talk radio circuit, with Gawker's destruction painted as a victory for conservatism (don't think about it too hard, the listeners don't.) Amusingly I admitted to that conservative friend I like to mention that one of my guilty pleasures is Jezebel's Shade Court and he seemed horrified that the Gawker sub blogs live on (they were purchased by Univision.) guess that goes against the "victory for conservatism" narrative so he'd never heard about it. In your defense, today's Shade Court is delightful.
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MrUnderbridge posted:Pssst - tv channels can be changed without a remote. Don't listen to him; he speaks terrible blasphemies! It starts with changing channels without a remote. It ends with fishpeople.
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Xibanya posted:E: yeah the DOJ brings charges for federal crimes which is why we're hosed while the racist elf is in charge of it I guess my point is that firing Comey doesn't just magically reveal all this damning evidence that MAGAists think will unequivocally prove that Killary KKKlinton is guilty. If one Jefferson Beauregard Sessions didn't walk into the DOJ and immediately file charges I'd say that the evidence wasn't strong enough to prove unless you're stuck in a legal objectivist (?) way of thinking.
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Human Tornada posted:LOL I got "fake news"-ed again at work today. My general tone regarding politics is pretty light and akin to "looks like those clowns in congress did it again" but I was telling someone about how Comey learned he was fired when he saw it on the TV behind him, and some numbnuts I don't know who was sitting 20 feet away pipes up with "That's not true. It was on I should have kept my mouth shut.
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Not sure if you guys already talked about this youtube channel but i got a PragerU advertisment while looking up dumb gamer videos. https://youtu.be/Hok2PiRnDfw Facts dont care about your feelings. See how crazy these leftists are 
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So I took a look in the local rag's Sunday edition- mostly for sports but also because the editorial section is always good for a  and man, did it ever come up with a doozy: http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/05/13/dear-jane-fonda-minimum-wages-destroy-jobs quote:Dear Ms. Fonda: Why stop at 1.50 an hour, Larry? Why don't they just work for free? Ugggggh.
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How do these minimum wage whiners rationalize that seatle credit card processing company that raised its minimum wage to 70k/year gaining more business and becoming more successful?
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Azuth0667 posted:How do these minimum wage whiners rationalize that seatle credit card processing company that raised its minimum wage to 70k/year gaining more business and becoming more successful? They don't. There are studies showing the exact opposite of his claim, which is why he needs to invoke a "respected economist". It's cherry picking and ignoring the rest. Especially in Canada, where he is, since our entire economy uses temporary foreign workers like indentured servants with no chance of permanent residency, because industry continuously bemoans not finding Canadians willing to work for pennies. Beelzebufo fucked around with this message at 18:16 on May 14, 2017 |
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Sedge and Bee posted:They don't. There are studies showing the exact opposite of his claim, which is why he needs to invoke a "respected economist". It's cherry picking and ignoring the rest. So back to cherry picking and alternative facts of which the best response is to not even engage them. Company is Gravity Payments if anyone was wondering.
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Crossposting this from my "Decoding Authoritarians" thread: So I decided to catch up on the last 6 weeks of Right Wing Watch and yeah.......there are a bunch of things worth pointing out here. All of this is in relation to inner narrative evolution; i.e. the process via which the inner narrative changes with each successive compaction cycle to steadily become more extreme- and in turn justify steadily more extreme behavior. On top of this Trump's "Religious Liberty" EO has had a massive impact in Religious Cluster Narrativist media outfits and is seen as Trump giving them the personal go-ahead to speak their inner narrative loudly and proudly. I have included a number of examples here with some commentary on each. Even being a Democrat is now being equated with being demon-possessed or "serving the devil". This is a Narrativist declaring that everything is now a stark binary and you are either with the Narrative or you are with the "Enemy". Over time as more compaction cycles (occur and narrative evolution continues) you can expect Gordon here to start speaking at length about the necessity of resisting Satan (the Enemy) with physical force in one speech and then again equating all Democrats/Leftists with Satan in the next speech. Then he will do those two things in the same speech. Then finally (if this process is not somehow stopped) he will drop the outer narrative and and just speak the plain inner narrative of advocating for violence towards all non-Narrativists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iJZa4YYccA Here we have Jim Bakker equating the jokes of Colbert with incitement to violence while referencing the Religious Liberty EO as freeing him to now speak this great truth to the masses without fear of repression. Over time you will see Bakker eventually come to conflate conflate *ALL( criticism of Trump with incitement to violence against Trump. And he will eventually begin to demand that law enforcement act on these "public threats". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsfCFl8Rwwg Here again we have criticism or "mocking" of Trump equated with being a willing agent of the Enemy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx1ynvD51co This video is just strait up loving chilling. Alex is no-bullshit calling for Trump to round up and imprison "dangerous" and "treasonous" Democratic leaders. The base wants a compaction cycle directed against their old enemy Hillary, and you can bet that Trump will eventually pick up on that and try to give his base what they want. (All Trump cares about is getting worshiped by his base and he will do whatever it takes to get that worship- so once he has any ability at all to threaten Hillary with arrest and/or have the DoJ threaten her on trumped up pretenses then it will certainly happen.) Note how very close to openly inciting violence against Democrats/leftists Alex Jones is in this video. He presents a dire/mortal threat that must be thwarted by any means this instant and then tells his viewers who that Enemy is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgWKDkjcJLI Followup to the above: Here is a demonstration of how easily a Narrativist can justify literally loving anything they have too in order to preserve their delusions about their heroic Strongman and the incredibly noble/righteous struggle it is for The Elect to support their hero against the endless and vile machinations of The Enemy. You can think of Alex Jones as the glowing core of a slow moving radioactive explosion. The level of rhetoric that Alex Jones engages in sets the tone for the entire rest of the Alt-Right, and as a result you can expect many more Alt-Right personalities to start calling for random acts of violence against Democratic leaders/all leftists while mockingly using only the very thinnest of veils. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAzaVgAB38w Much like the long forgotten adherents of Radki once you spend long enough thinking that you are special and listening only to people who will not challenge that idea then you develop the idea that you have special powers. In the case of Radki its Narrativist adherents believed they had deadly Qi powers because that is the Narrative of the delusional world they immersed themselves in. In the case of Mr Joyner here he (and his Narrativist dominated social environment) believe they have the ability to predict the future because that is the dominant Narrative of the delusional world they have immersed themselves in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6k6wZxHXj4 This video is slightly obtuse in its meaning unless you are familiar with the environment that it is meant to speak too. This is a coded call for Religious Cluster Narrativists to prepare to violently resist demon-possessed collaborators with the Enemy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5scCV9TD4fk More of the same theme here. Resistance to Trump is resistance to the God-Force and therefor all resistance to Trump is an action of (and he literally uses the term over and over in this video)"the Enemy". [video ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW3bvBUdqJo[/video] The title of this video speaks for itself. Beyond that though it includes a detailed conspiracy theory about how all anti-Trump protests are actually being funded by the Russians and involve mostly willing stooges. These stooges are further being controlled by demons aka the Enemy and this is all tied to a random bit of seemingly prophetic Narrative taken from the Bible. This all concludes that the widespread anger at Donald Trump is proof that God is supporting Donald Trump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H99WB6nTwt4 In conclusion the ongoing compaction cycles are creating the long anticipated inner narrative evolution and this is all occurring (by happenstance, we just got unlucky here) in conjunction with the seeming blessing of Trumps religious liberty EO to speak your inner narrative out in public. This trend will result in competing inner narrative's arguing for dominance over Narrativist media with the more compact (more extreme/radical/violent) eventually either winning out or mutually driving every other inner narrative to ever higher levels of relative compaction as they compete for adherents. This trend will manifest first in the most extreme Alt-Right outlets, but you can expect Fox News to sound eerily similar to the above within 6 months as a result of the continuing Narrative Convergence. We are I believe (in short) living through my theorized "Narrativist Wave Event" wherein Narrativists seize control of society during a prolonged period of Narrative Convergence. Think of Narrative Convergence as being like a nuclear explosion; in order for a successful detonation (Narrativist Wave Event) you need a sufficient quantity and density of radioactive material under enough pressure. Likewise for a Narrativist Wave Event you need a sufficient quantity of high-compaction Narrativists under sufficient compaction cycles caused by ongoing narrative dysphoria. Initially I expected there to be only enough Narrativists to amount to a "radioactive wet fart" of about a dozen incidents of Malheur-like violent resistance in the wake of Trumps defeat in the election. Trump's victory however Dramatically increased the amount of Narrativists involved in the ongoing Narrative Convergence, and seems to have tipped us from contained Narrative Convergence to full-blown Narrativist Wave Event. (Had Trump lost things would have been lovely but we would have been fine, with Trump in power however a disturbing portion his deluded followers will eventually turn violent to preserve their delusions rather than confront the depth of their personal deception.) While it is still unclear which side (Narrativist vs literally everyone else) will ultimately prevail I feel quite confident that we are living through the real deal. If this poo poo isn't stopped within the next 5-10 years America is almost certainly going to go full Nazi.
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Mewnie posted:So I took a look in the local rag's Sunday edition- mostly for sports but also because the editorial section is always good for a -- blacks?
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The Muppets On PCP posted:as someone who remembers the bakkers from the 80s it amazes me anyone still listens to that clown Same but Trump
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Didn't you also state emphatically that Trump would be unable to restrain himself from losing his mind at Hillary in the debates and straight up verbally assaulting her, or even doing so physically. The US is not going to go "full Nazi"
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Prester Jane posted:Crossposting this from my "Decoding Authoritarians" thread: Democrats fall apart, Republicans fall in line. Never fails.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Didn't you also state emphatically that Trump would be unable to restrain himself from losing his mind at Hillary in the debates and straight up verbally assaulting her, or even doing so physically. wasn't wrong about that if you count "nasty woman" as verbal assault Edit: as I've said elsewhere I think Prester's theories are overstate d a bit but with good core observations
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:wasn't wrong about that if you count "nasty woman" as verbal assault He literally said he was going to put her in jail. "lol, what an idiot, he said Trump would straight up verbally assault her"
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Sedge and Bee posted:They don't. There are studies showing the exact opposite of his claim, which is why he needs to invoke a "respected economist". It's cherry picking and ignoring the rest. Well, this Larry Elder dude is from the US- some lawyer from LA or something. His Twitter feed is full-on Freep, though. Just the Sun loves to bring in these weird "libertarian" writers for some insane oped piece now and then. In between Lorne "I'm more concerned of my son being falsely accused of rape then my daughter actually being raped" Gutner and Anthony "The SJW menace is trying to destroy western civilization" Furey. They did try to be the Fox News of Canada for a bit, but they wildly overestimated their market of Angry Albertan Townie and fizzled out in like, a year?  They still try to import American style conservative rhetoric, though.
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A crosspost from the Schad thread, a bit of levity. https://twitter.com/chrismohney/status/863729968639086592
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Mewnie posted:Well, this Larry Elder dude is from the US- some lawyer from LA or something. His Twitter feed is full-on Freep, though. Sun was also denied mandatory carriage on basic cable packages and, because they were hemorrhaging money, they complained that not having that would kill them. Other news channels had that at one point in their history, but don't really anymore. It also only applied to the most basic of services, which a majority of Canadians with TV packages don't have to begin with. Most people with cable TV packages have larger subs and could already get Sun TV when it was a thing, but it wasn't within the first 35 channels or whatever, and they claim that's what killed them. So now, therebel.media, which is online only, does fairly good business and makes money. So, while Sun TV failed spectacularly, what became of it hasn't yet. Most people who aren't already in the RWM bubble in Canada tend not to take Rebel links seriously, and left wingers often straight up refuse to click on them, because every click makes Ezra Levant more powerful. Levant, the founder, is also known for doing things like buying a domain of a journalism student's name to use in a concern-trolling harassment campaign. Or organizing a political protest at which the crowd chants "lock her up" (the her referring in this case to the female premier of Alberta, Rachel Notley), and then responding by selling lovely t-shirts. Also, Crowder advertises his own show on that site. I wish I saved the image of the ad the last time I saw it because he had his wedding ring front and centre. It was perfect.
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Leofish posted:Sun was also denied mandatory carriage on basic cable packages and, because they were hemorrhaging money, they complained that not having that would kill them. Other news channels had that at one point in their history, but don't really anymore. It also only applied to the most basic of services, which a majority of Canadians with TV packages don't have to begin with. Most people with cable TV packages have larger subs and could already get Sun TV when it was a thing, but it wasn't within the first 35 channels or whatever, and they claim that's what killed them. The main thing is that getting mandatory carriage means that cable companies are mandated to pay them to carry the channel regardless of if anyone watches it, for every single customer they have, just like in the US system. Because of this, Sun TV would have made a lot more money then they did as a normal basic cable channel. It would only be getting paid for maybe a few hundred thousand more subscribers a month, but that's no small chunk of change. Now granted, the channel shouldn't have needed that money to keep going, but of course they'd try to get it. It's just plain good business if you can manage it.
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fishmech posted:The main thing is that getting mandatory carriage means that cable companies are mandated to pay them to carry the channel regardless of if anyone watches it, for every single customer they have, just like in the US system. Because of this, Sun TV would have made a lot more money then they did as a normal basic cable channel. It would only be getting paid for maybe a few hundred thousand more subscribers a month, but that's no small chunk of change. You're right, I had forgotten that particular point of it. They were still bleeding upwards of $16 million or more a year for the short time they were in business.
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Mewnie posted:I do miss the days when GISing Ezra just returned pages upon pages of his dumb smug face with that dumb smug smirk. Now, you're probably confused why some blue haired kid with a lightsaber is the top result.
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:Limbaugh today said The FBI probably hacked the DNC and framed Russia for....reasons he didn't specify. Clearly it was all hatched by Comey as a way to bow out gracefully.
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DandyLion posted:Clearly it was all hatched by Comey as a way to bow out gracefully. He didn't want to do the job and wanted to bow out using sheer incompetence. Is trump bowing out?
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