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Who cares whether or not its unanimous or first ballot or whatever. There will always be people with bad opinions who make stupid votes; there's tons of people casting ballots. Inevitably one or two of them will either forget because they're 90 years old, or be stupid or make up some other justification like the player isn't as good as their favorite when they were a kid and he wasn't unanimous so this guy can't be either! It doesn't make that person any less in the hall of fame.
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Personally I think it's time to let Shoeless Joe Jackson into the Hall.
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ego symphonic posted:Inevitably one or two of them will either forget because they're 90 years old, These guys are mostly going away, finally. Other than the ones who are actively covering the sport. So at least there's that.
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Grittybeard posted:These guys are mostly going away, finally. Other than the ones who are actively covering the sport. So at least there's that. There is still at least one guy who submits a blank ballot because "journalists shouldn't make the news" or something equally as stupid and self-aggrandizing. So there still won't be unanimous votes for a while. The 10-vote limit also means it likely won't happen, either.
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Joey Freshwater posted:I think unanimous voting will happen a lot more now that the votes will be public. When Griffey was inducted there were three voters that didn't vote for him, but no one ever admitted who it was.
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Grittybeard posted:I think he probably will be, but who knows. He definitely gets in at some point no matter what though. I'm more worried about Rolen because I look at Rolen, Edmonds and Pujols and it's a loving crime that lineup only won one series on a bullshit 83-win season. Also, Edmonds deserved more than a one-and-done. Pancakes fucked around with this message at 21:00 on May 15, 2017 |
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May 15, 2017 20:57
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Thom P. Tiers posted:I mean, when's the last time you have ever seen 11 straight years of absolute dominance that wasn't Barry Bonds. Pujols first 11 years were absolutely insane. Trout is doing it right now but still needs to do it for 6 more years. Seriously, Pujols placed top 5 MVP 10 of the 11 years. Winning it 3 times and placing second 4 times. Depending on your definition of complete dominance, Miguel Cabrera.
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Scott Rolen is one of those guys that was introduced as "future hall of famer" for like the last 5 years of his career but then when it comes time to vote for him a bunch of senile old dudes won't remember who exactly he was, exactly.
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Pancakes posted:I look at Rolen, Edmonds and Pujols and it's a loving crime that lineup only won one series on a bullshit 83-win season. Also, Edmonds deserved more than a one-and-done. Wasn't there some thing where La Russa didn't like Rolen for some incredibly dumb reason? What was up with that?
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Depending on your definition of complete dominance, Miguel Cabrera. Correct, and Pujols did everything better by a decent amount.
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bewbies posted:Scott Rolen is one of those guys that was introduced as "future hall of famer" for like the last 5 years of his career but then when it comes time to vote for him a bunch of senile old dudes won't remember who exactly he was, exactly. I will never forget Scott Rolen pissing me off endlessly for vacuuming up every single ball hit in the general direction of 3rd base when he was a Cardinal. So gently caress him, but I would probably vote for him just for that.
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Kirios posted:Personally I think it's time to let Shoeless Joe Jackson into the Hall. Well, he was no Ray Schalk... but perhaps you're right.
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Grittybeard posted:Wasn't there some thing where La Russa didn't like Rolen for some incredibly dumb reason? What was up with that? La Russa thought his shoulder problems were bullshit and that Rolen wasn't tough.
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May 15, 2017 21:08
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La Russa's the most overrated manager in MLB history.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:La Russa's the most overrated manager in MLB history. yes, but would he have batted Jeter second?
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Thom P. Tiers posted:Obviously Barry should have been unanimous (and in the HoF already), but roids. Unanimous will never happen though because people are stupid. Pujols should absolutely be unanimous, as well as the other people mentioned so far. Almost like my point is the player has to be in contention for single greatest player of all time hands down no questions no qualifiers to be unanimous
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Poque posted:yes, but would he have batted Jeter second? Depends if he found him as attractive as he found So Taguchi, I guess.
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Spoeank posted:Almost like my point is the player has to be in contention for single greatest player of all time hands down no questions no qualifiers to be unanimous Almost like you have a bad point  Unanimous is dumb because stubborn dumb writers are dumb and bad. It really means nothing, as long as you get in. But lol at dumb stubborn writers not voting for someone for the sanctity of unanimity or whatever bullshit they want to make up. Thom P. Tiers fucked around with this message at 21:17 on May 15, 2017 |
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Cito was cooler that Tony La Russa and loved to talk poo poo about him which is why Cito is the best.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Cito was cooler that Tony La Russa and loved to talk poo poo about him which is why Cito is the best. It's interesting you mentioned Cito because to me Tony is bascially a white Cito, did well when handed vet-laden teams with talent bursting at the seams, so-so when expected to develop players. Although I'm sure Cito takes credit for Alomar turning into the beast that he did.
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I mentioned Cito because he wasn't afraid to call bullshit on the racist things that happen in baseball which pretty much kept him from getting a job outside Toronto yet noted alcoholic rear end in a top hat garbage person Tony La Russa keeps getting hired because reasons. And because he liked talking poo poo about La Russa and calling attention to that double standard.
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Ichiro will probably be unanimous.
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https://twitter.com/TBTimes_Rays/status/864212920208699393 Francona is such an rear end in a top hat 
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Thom P. Tiers posted:Almost like you have a bad point this is literally my point nobody has been unanimous yet. the longer people aren't unanimous, the harder it gets. Mike Trout is the only person who may break through and be unanimous because he might literally be the best player of all time.
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N: Matheny has good opinions and makes valid points, makes Maddon seem crotchety, old and dumb (in my opinion). http://www.stltoday.com/sports/base...15140b6b50.html V: I don't care if it's just on one issue. I'm scared, somebody hold me.
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I was going with more along the lines of who should be, in a normal sane persons mindset. Of course nobody will be, the people voting for this are idiots who need to preserve the holiness of unanimity. Arguably the second greatest first baseman of all time SHOULD be unanimous. He will get like 90% though.Pancakes posted:N: Matheny has good opinions and makes valid points, makes Maddon seem crotchety, old and dumb (in my opinion). I read this earlier, please turn this into a clickbait article titles "Mike Matheny Totally Eviscerates Joe Maddon." Funny how the manager of a team that broke two legs has this "man up" opinion about the pansy slide rules. Thom P. Tiers fucked around with this message at 22:02 on May 15, 2017 |
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Spoeank posted:this is literally my point Even if he continues with 10 or 15 more years of his current slash line, if he stays with the Angels and retires with only 1 or 0 world series wins, I bet he wouldn't get in unanimously (because narrative)
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Thom P. Tiers posted:I was going with more along the lines of who should be, in a normal sane persons mindset. Of course nobody will be, the people voting for this are idiots who need to preserve the holiness of unanimity. Arguably the second greatest first baseman of all time SHOULD be unanimous. He will get like 90% though. That'd be a somewhat interesting thing to figure out. All of the hall of famers (and there are at least a bunch) who should have been unanimously elected.
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"Mike Matheny tackles Joe Maddon (rhetorically), gives him concussion (metaphorically)" "Mike Matheny sweeps the legs out from under Joe Maddon's bullshit"
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Spoeank posted:this is literally my point
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Local city news site compares their teams response to that of rivals after call negatively impacts them.
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Popete posted:Local city news site compares their teams response to that of rivals after call negatively impacts them. Yea but it's an actual good opinion from Mike Matheny, which is taking everyone by surprise, because his opinions and thoughts are usually poo poo. I too would like to have my best players on the field every day and fully appreciate the pansy rule which may help that happen by preventing morons from sliding at peoples kneecaps.
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Matheny might want to have a chat with Fowler then.
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Popete posted:Matheny might want to have a chat with Fowler then. He did. It says that in the article I linked to.
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Popete posted:Matheny might want to have a chat with Fowler then. Pancakes posted:He did. It says that in the article I linked to. SAS poster of rival team whose manager made dumb comments replies about an article they haven't read. Thom P. Tiers fucked around with this message at 22:41 on May 15, 2017 |
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Good job Mike Matheny!
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Popete posted:Good job Mike Matheny!  SAS posters are much better at reasonable discussion than most sports sites. Film at 11.
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Is it just me, or is it weird to say "x best SS by WAR all-time" and, along the same lines "x best 1B all-time"? In the first case, WAR is already making a positional adjustment, so the dWAR accumulated by these players is suppose to close the gap on the hitter-oriented positions. Jeter was really the 58th best player all-time by WAR, and that should be it (which is still really good). It's a redundant qualifier, right? Catchers sort of disprove my point, though. In the latter case, we all recognize 1B as a place to stash offense, so when you call Pujols the 2nd greatest 1B all-time, what kind of praise is that really? Is the 2nd best DH all-time something to celebrate (beyond their awesome offensive contributions, of course)? A hypothetical Pujols who managed to play OF competently enough to keep his WAR the exact same wouldn't be as high on the all-time LF position list, but would have played a position that people generally see as more valuable. It's a silly quibble, but I'm more curious if I'm overlooking something or it's really just a weird thing we do because we like to categorize.
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