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Mr E posted:I did the sidequest where you help the two Resistance members escape and the ending was a thing That was my reaction to half of the sidequests. The other half were 
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:That was my reaction to half of the sidequests. Yeah I did Emil's memories and it was very sad.
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May 15, 2017 22:32
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Mr E posted:I did the sidequest where you help the two Resistance members escape and the ending was a thing Do the treasure hunt in the forest one next!
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May 16, 2017 01:16
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Can I still get the FAR fan patch anywhere? All the links to the steam community page just redirect to the main steam forums. EDIT: Nevermind, I think I found it on the subreddit sticky. Arcturas fucked around with this message at 01:46 on May 16, 2017 |
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May 16, 2017 01:26
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Holy poo poo the beginning of Route
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May 16, 2017 01:33
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Tarezax posted:I saw people go through the whole goddamn game not knowing they could use the right stick to aim while in shooting segments and hacking. There are forward shooting segments and all-range shooting segments, but there's no excuse for hacking.
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May 16, 2017 01:57
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...! posted:You can still swing your melee weapon. In fact, your melee weapon tends to make things super easy because it has a surprisingly long reach, swings in a very large arc, does much more damage than your pod fire, and destroys most enemy projectiles. Yes! Though if you take damage, you can't attack for awhile and things can get ugly quickly. Also, if you get underleveled so you can't one-shot the trash flier guys, it starts to suuuck.
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May 16, 2017 02:17
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Sax Solo posted:Yes! Though if you take damage, you can't attack for awhile and things can get ugly quickly. Also, if you get underleveled so you can't one-shot the trash flier guys, it starts to suuuck. The trash flier guys scale to your level, though?
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May 16, 2017 03:37
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Saagonsa posted:The trash flier guys scale to your level, though? I thought there was scaling, but with a floor? TBH the scaling in different parts of the game confuses me. On the main story path, I suddenly stopped being able to one-shot fliers I think at Grun route B. Maybe it's my bad chipset, or just that no scaling algorithm's going to be perfect anyway.
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May 16, 2017 05:15
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Ugh, why am I so bad at this game? Does anyone have any advice for dealing with the spinny worm things with weak spots that spawn right by the big hole in the ground? I can't seem to time hitting them with either the basic short or long sword and apparently I'm terrible at using the laser beam (either locked on or not...) so I just run away.
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May 16, 2017 05:30
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Do a dodge, and then use the pod counter.
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May 16, 2017 05:33
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Arcturas posted:Ugh, why am I so bad at this game? Does anyone have any advice for dealing with the spinny worm things with weak spots that spawn right by the big hole in the ground? I can't seem to time hitting them with either the basic short or long sword and apparently I'm terrible at using the laser beam (either locked on or not...) so I just run away. They're just awful. Use the gatling locked on while keeping your distance and pod laser.
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May 16, 2017 06:03
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The thing that I said will one-shot them.
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May 16, 2017 06:14
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Bad Seafood posted:I listened to that earlier this morning but hadn't noticed the preview image was a tomato. Actually the preview image is of Emil... as a tomato. I'm actually kinda surprised he doesn't really touch on the ideas of sacrifice the game toys around with, since that fits in perfectly with the narrative or people working themselves to death for little compensation and is also part of the reason the ending where you delete your save file so somebody else can beat the game resonates so much better than the first game's where you delete your save file to get the best ending for your game. Jack-Off Lantern posted:You can strafe and lock on. gently caress
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SatansBestBuddy posted:the ending where you delete your save file so somebody else can beat the game resonates so much better than the first game's where you delete your save file to get the best ending for your game. I highly disagree with this notion because the Ending D of the first Nier is such a personal conclusion to Nier's (the character's) arc while the Automata equivalent exists almost solely for the player. It never felt like a choice of "huh I guess I gotta do this to get all the endings" for me but instead of the player being put into Nier's shoes as having come so far but facing that letting go will be for the best of everyone. You don't have to get Ending D and I don't see it as the best ending because it's still one that leads to a lot of terrible things. If you feel what you worked for is more important you should just pick Ending C which is what Nier chooses on similar grounds. To me synchronizing the player's motivation with the main character's made it have incredible impact. Ending E of Automata didn't leave me with the same weighty "this is the period, the absolute end" realization the original did because the ending is so meta and detached from the characters even though it does have some in-universe justification. And ultimately the sacrifice is optional and nebulous when it comes to whether it actually matters since there are certainly non-player helpers Nina fucked around with this message at 08:57 on May 16, 2017 |
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May 16, 2017 08:54
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Snak posted:Do a dodge, and then use the pod counter. Synthbuttrange posted:They're just awful. Use the gatling locked on while keeping your distance and pod laser. Thanks, I'll try these suggestions. I'm really bad at the timing on counter-dodges as opposed to just dodges, so if I can improve there that'll help.
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May 16, 2017 14:47
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Arcturas posted:Ugh, why am I so bad at this game? Does anyone have any advice for dealing with the spinny worm things with weak spots that spawn right by the big hole in the ground? I can't seem to time hitting them with either the basic short or long sword and apparently I'm terrible at using the laser beam (either locked on or not...) so I just run away.
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May 16, 2017 14:59
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Yeah, they're not worth melee fighting more than once (to gain their lore entry).
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May 16, 2017 15:39
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There's a couple of points in PlatinumGames games where they forget that they're actually good at making games. When they're making tutorials is one where they always forget to make a good game and for NieR: A, it was when they were making the snake enemies and the first boss of C route.
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May 16, 2017 15:46
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I self-destructed while 2B was wearing the Kaine outfit what even is holding her clothes up at that point
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May 16, 2017 16:22
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The CEOs were actually super fun to fight. It was actually thrilling going in a bit underleveled even though chain dodging kinda trivialized it in the end
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May 16, 2017 16:28
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Josuke Higashikata posted:the first boss of C route. The centipede thing in the desert? I burned a lot of consumables on that one because it can swiftly get out of control.
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May 16, 2017 16:52
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That awful piece of game design, yes.
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May 16, 2017 17:29
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Sage Grimm posted:The centipede thing in the desert? I burned a lot of consumables on that one because it can swiftly get out of control. I need to activate B-mode! *dies instantly*
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May 16, 2017 17:31
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Mr E posted:I need to activate B-mode! *dies instantly* This is fully intentional. Remember, A2's whole quest is about her regaining her humanity and learning to trust and rely on others again. Berserker Mode is what she activates when she wants to become a one woman army, because she's scared of forming a bond with others again, only to lose them. 042 explicitly tells her several times at the start of the fight, "You shouldn't activate Berserker Mode. Let's work together to defeat Hegel instead," which she tries to furiously brush off - but 042 is correct, which is the lead in to her slowly emerging from her self-imposed isolation.
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May 16, 2017 17:35
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Vermain posted:This is fully intentional. Remember, A2's whole quest is about her regaining her humanity and learning to trust and rely on others again. 042 explicitly tells her several times at the start of the fight, "You shouldn't activate Berserker Mode. Let's work together to defeat Hegel instead," which she tries to furiously brush off - but 042 is correct, which is the lead in to her slowly emerging from her self-imposed isolation. I agree but that doesn't make the fight any less poo poo even without Berserker mode.
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May 16, 2017 17:37
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Mr E posted:I agree but that doesn't make the fight any less poo poo even without Berserker mode. I think the fight could've been improved if only a few of the balls dropped down at a time. As it stands, it's too hard to really do anything except slam the dodge button to avoid the massive amount of beam spam that covers your screen.
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May 16, 2017 17:39
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Using B mode in that fight isn't too bad if you equip an Auto Use Item chip. Really the problem with that fight is clarity. Zoom the screen out a bit and there wouldn't have been an issue.
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May 16, 2017 18:21
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I played on normal mode and thought the game was pretty easy, hacking bits included. I probably cheesed too much with defensive and healing chips, though. The Pod laser program rips through stuff.
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May 16, 2017 18:52
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The main complaint that most players seem to have with NieR:A is that Normal is too easy and Hard is too difficult. The game's dumb level scaling is a big chunk of the problem. NieR could have implemented a Soulsborne-style focus on improving weapons for damage scaling. It even seems that weapon upgrades were meant to have more of an impact on gameplay, since the hidden blacksmith is required to max out equipment. Damage is ultimately tied to your current level instead.
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May 16, 2017 19:29
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The game grazes good difficulty balance around the Route A final boss if you haven't majorly overleveled and then just goes off the rails. I actually feel the game shouldn't even have the leveling system in place.
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Vermain posted:This is fully intentional. Remember, A2's whole quest is about her regaining her humanity and learning to trust and rely on others again. Berserker Mode is what she activates when she wants to become a one woman army, because she's scared of forming a bond with others again, only to lose them. 042 explicitly tells her several times at the start of the fight, "You shouldn't activate Berserker Mode. Let's work together to defeat Hegel instead," which she tries to furiously brush off - but 042 is correct, which is the lead in to her slowly emerging from her self-imposed isolation. That's a cute explanation, but that doesn't change the fact that it's bad game design. The game introduced a new mechanic; every player is going to try out that new mechanic, especially when the character they're controlling is telling them to use it. If the designers wanted to have the impact you describe, they should have introduced the mechanic earlier and highlighted its danger then. That way, when the pod says "this is a bad time to activate danger mode," the player could make an informed decision about whether the current, extremely dangerous boss required the risk. Besides, in plenty of games, cartoons, kung-fu movies, and other media, a character saying "you can't use that technique; it's too dangerous" is code for "this is gonna be super cool, just you watch." I'm all for trope subversions, especially in a Yoko Taro game, but not when it has a negative impact on gameplay.
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Noper Q posted:I'm all for trope subversions, especially in a Yoko Taro game, but not when it has a negative impact on gameplay. So not like a fair chunk of every other game he's made??? I played through that boss twice, once with B-mode and several healing chips, and I didn't really have much of a problem with it. I feel like the key is to use the pod when it's in the air, then B it up on the ground. If you run out and go into the staggering cooldown, it's probably going to be when it's in the air and easier to avoid anyway.
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May 16, 2017 20:13
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It's just a sloppily designed boss. Whether using berserker mode during it is intentionally detrimental or not doesn't change that.
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May 16, 2017 20:30
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Hegel sucks why would you defend the worst part of the game by far.
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May 16, 2017 20:31
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Hegel is the return of trolled by cavia and before anyone says taro is brilliant how meta no it's just a poo poo fight
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Nina posted:The game grazes good difficulty balance around the Route A final boss if you haven't majorly overleveled and then just goes off the rails. I actually feel the game shouldn't even have the leveling system in place. I had trouble with an early boss (the opera singer) and went off and got massively overleveled, weapon upgraded and chip fused -- like, to the tune of twelve hours' worth of sidequests and wandering. It was fun, but the difficulty of the rest of the game was quite uneven. I never even found the master swordsman until after finishing E.
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May 16, 2017 20:34
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Noper Q posted:That's a cute explanation, but that doesn't change the fact that it's bad game design. The game introduced a new mechanic; every player is going to try out that new mechanic, especially when the character they're controlling is telling them to use it. Sure, but if they're awake and not completely retarded they'll notice that it isn't helping very much and turn it off inside a few seconds. Hegel's not a great boss but it's not like it's particularly difficult or that introducing berserk mode there is the problem with it, it's just not very engaging to fight and the visibility issues are kind of annoying. The berserk mode thing is a net plus because at least it is funny.
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May 16, 2017 20:36
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there's plenty of really good subtleties and jokes in the game as is, you don't need to go making new ones up to excuse a kinda crappy boss fight.
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Welp the big story hook from Taro's questions got explained in supplementary material. I guess it was too much to hope for more in-game story content. Not gonna lie Automata relies on out of game material way more than Taro's other games and I have mixed feelings about it.
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