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Med School posted:Does ghost in the shell count as robo tits?
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Heath posted:If you, as a thought experiment, completely removed those aspects of the character and feel that it would totally undermine that character's design to do so, that should be a signifier that perhaps that detail plays too prominent a role in that character's conception. This may not be what you're trying to say, but many/most characters have singular or small numbers of key design elements that if removed would undermine their design (especially character design for animation which can be pretty streamlined). Choosing a singular element to leverage a character design on isn't inherently bad, and it can actually be very strong, it's just that in this case the design is literally putting female genitalia on a literal object. The intent of the design is clear and present and that's the problem.
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May 15, 2017 06:23
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Sharpest Crayon posted:There's a thing for everything. This one's called Mermay. See also: inktober, dinovember etc.  Started drawing a gloomy merma'am today 
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May 15, 2017 07:12
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a hole-y ghost posted:Good enough for me this is legitimately the greatest mermaid I have ever seen in my whole life and I love her. to contribute besides making fun of creepy robot labia guy, here's an old sketchdump of the merfolk I made for what I'm eventually going to make into a Thing 
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May 15, 2017 08:56
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mutata posted:This may not be what you're trying to say, but many/most characters have singular or small numbers of key design elements that if removed would undermine their design (especially character design for animation which can be pretty streamlined). I suppose I'm thinking of stronger character designs where you can make changes to major parts of the design and the character can still retain some identity. I'll even pick Bayonetta as an example because her design suffers a lot of the same problems with being oversexualized. I'm only referring to her character design, setting aside anything actually in the game's content. She's a good example because her design has had at least one major alteration officially (the long hair reduced to a short pixie cut sort of thing) in addition to an outfit change that still retains the feel of the character underneath it. I think that would be true if you gave her more realistic body proportions. Doing so, subtracting those exaggerated features, would make the character different, but not unrecognizably so. Not so with the titty robot. If you subtracted the gratuitous (because that's what it is) elements of the character, even going so far as to allow for feminine features (because the problem isn't that the robot has a gender necessarily) but to make them more proportional to a real woman, there is basically nothing in her design that distinguishes her from one of the shield robots in Mega Man X. Those features define the design to the point that I can call it titty robot and it's pretty easy to picture in one's mind what that is, a robot with wide hips and bangin' tits but couldn't be bothered to have a face. That's what clashes in the design with me and I think lends credence to the idea that the design is fundamentally objectifying because the idea of being a robot is predicated on the idea that that character was built and made for a purpose, and every part of her body has purposeful design. You could say that about any character, but it's part of that character's very canon. Someone decided to put tiddys on that robot. Big ones, with nipples. Someone within that robot's fictional backstory drew up plans and with specificity decided that his robot needed to have big honkin' breasts. They built her to look like a human woman, with exaggerated human woman features, but deny her having a face, which may have actually humanized the design and not made it feel so gratuitous.
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May 15, 2017 09:20
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I seriously don't get what's wrong with drawing and sharing things for the purpose of jackin' it. This is a lot of high minded thinking, but when you draw stuff, aren't you just wanting something that looks good and expresses yourself? Robo-Titty guy is expressing a lot of pent up desire to gently caress a robot, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
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May 15, 2017 10:09
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Because drawing and jacking it to and, most importantly, never shutting up about labia/titty robots is creepy.
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May 15, 2017 11:26
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It's an art thread, that's that dude's art. Art is disturbing, emotional, visceral, and quite frankly, I'm jealous of that dude because he draws robot titties, and can creep people out, but everything I've ever drawn intentionally creepy, looks like a 5 year old's summer journal.  Like I legit think this is this dude's Massacre of the Innocents. You may hate the content, but it's skillfully crafted, and elicit's a very powerful emotion in the viewer that makes you feel something. In this case Disgust, and "Creepy vibes" and objectification, but that's what the art piece is.
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May 15, 2017 11:38
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Turtlicious posted:It's an art thread, that's that dude's art. 
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May 15, 2017 14:01
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May 15, 2017 14:04
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Oh, while we're on the topic of creepy art, can we post our favorite creepy artists? My favorite right now is Deryk Thomas— I usually don't like the "creepy + cute" thing but I think he pulls it off just perfectly       e: Sociopastry posted:this is legitimately the greatest mermaid I have ever seen in my whole life and I love her.
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May 15, 2017 14:21
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Everyone should draw more mermaids for mermay! It's fun. I'm redoing the slugladies but haven't found a good pose yet. Takato Yamamoto does creepy, grotesque neo-ukiyo-e and I'm quite fond of the aesthetic.  Oh, but expect a lot of weird japanese porn poo poo if you look up a lot of his stuff. ~Art~
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May 15, 2017 15:07
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are y'all really arguing that puffy robot labia and huge robot titties are on the same artistic level as, say, Saturn Eating His Own Son or the like because if so, holy poo poo y'all will reach so far to justify your spank art
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May 15, 2017 19:46
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You people are putting way more thought into this than I ever do beyond my obsession with flow lines.
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May 15, 2017 19:53
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Diabetes Forecast posted:You people are putting way more thought into this than I ever do beyond my obsession with flow lines. this is the entire problem
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May 15, 2017 20:04
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have you ever wanted to rub someone's nose on something like a bad puppy until they get the idea that's how I feel right now
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May 15, 2017 20:13
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Sociopastry posted:have you ever wanted to rub someone's nose on something like a bad puppy until they get the idea I thought this whole argument was about not sharing your fetish in the thread. Christ.
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May 15, 2017 20:22
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someone awful. posted:this is the entire problem but flow lines are so important :c
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May 15, 2017 20:25
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Troposphere posted:inferior Agreed. As much as I love the world's angriest Italian, I have to say his version is pretty lacking. Judith isn't nearly as badass in that one as she is in Gentileschi's. Sociopastry posted:are y'all really arguing that puffy robot labia and huge robot titties are on the same artistic level as, say, Saturn Eating His Own Son or the like Saturn Eating His Own Son is the best you can do? Seriously? There are far better examples. Have some Bosch.  I also like  You hug that owl, dude! Like you can link any part of that altarpiece and get something absolutely amazing. Can we just start talking about random paintings in here? That seems like it would be fun. JuniperCake fucked around with this message at 20:43 on May 15, 2017 |
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May 15, 2017 20:38
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probably wanna make a new thread for that- p sure this thread's just for posting art and, apparantly, robot labias. gonna spam some progress pics in here shortly
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May 15, 2017 20:46
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so I'm trying to draw/design this character- she started as my DnD character and is now working her way into being a part of the book I'm writing. this is her first design (unfinished, obv, but you see the basic idea here):  buuuut I'm not quite happy with that, so now I'm redesigning her, and also working on being more dynamic in my designs.  she's somewhat based on old westerns, somewhat based on bloodborne. also I don't know how to draw guns.
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May 15, 2017 21:05
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Sociopastry posted:she's somewhat based on old westerns, somewhat based on bloodborne. also I don't know how to draw guns.
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May 15, 2017 21:08
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I would look up some references that match with what you are going for with the pose, especially for her legs. Right now it looks like she just lost her balance and is falling over to the side.
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May 15, 2017 21:12
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 rough as gently caress, obv, but does this look a little more realistic?
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May 15, 2017 21:29
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Sociopastry posted:dive-shooting. I drew a (lovely, nigh-illegible) picture to illustrate the direction the body curves during a side-dive like this:  When diving or jumping, think of the body like a spring(e.g. a Slinky)—I'm sure there's some better way to explain it, but that's just how I usually picture it as an aid for figuring out this sort of pose. e: Oh and I almost forgot, welcome to the digi art thread 
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May 15, 2017 22:51
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okay, I think I understand why it looks wonky now. the way I've got her at present seems to be the moment she's getting ready to jump or running forward to jump. I can work with that. Thank you, that was actually super, super helpful! e:  Not dive shooting, but she looks a lot more dynamic now. Thank you for the suggestion, that actually helped a buttload. FluxFaun fucked around with this message at 23:14 on May 15, 2017 |
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May 15, 2017 23:09
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Yeah, no prob. In particular my observation was that her body is curved the opposite way that the body would curve for most of the jump; it looks more like the end of the dive than the beginning. It would make sense if she was already sliding on the ground: e: yeah your edit looks good! if you keep drawing this character do your homework and watch a lot of western shootouts 
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May 15, 2017 23:15
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a hole-y ghost posted:When diving or jumping, think of the body like a spring(e.g. a Slinky) You forgot something super important when considering poses, so here, I fixed this for you: 
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May 15, 2017 23:28
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Sharpest Crayon posted:You forgot something super important when considering poses, so here, I fixed this for you: lmao good one though
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May 15, 2017 23:34
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Sharpest Crayon posted:You forgot something super important when considering poses, so here, I fixed this for you: I can hear the comical whomp noise
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Can I just say I hate accidentally merging layers and saving before I realize what I did 
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Hey I thought of one more better way to explain it, then i'll drop it. If you look at for example Heather Benjamin's art (insanely :NSFW:) you will notice that her women are generally being sexual, doing sexual stuff, or in some way expressing a feeling related to their bodies. Compare that to your robot girls-- there's no sexuality inside the fictional world of those pictures, the robowomen don't express any themselves. It's the "camera" angles, the upskirt shot, that project sexuality onto them. This seems creepy to some people because it shows no interest in the sexuality or desire of the person (or gundam) being looked at. It treats sex as a one-sided staring match. It's not actually any more masturbatory than HB's work, or R Crumb drawing himself bug-eyedly frotting a hillbilly giantess. But it's a lot more uh... disingenuous? Juvenile? "Juvenile" because, the weird thing is, when you're growing up in this culture, media is bombarding you with this kind of imagery. Stuff that uses sexuality but doesn't acknowledge it. He-Man and She-Ra don't know their secondaries are on blast in every single frame, the people around them don't notice or care, but something in my 6 year old mind knew that it was compelling to me. That seems "safe" for kids, I guess? But it can give you the wrong impression. Troposphere posted:inferior i prefer the colors here but you can tell that the other painter had a much better idea of what that should look like IRL. This Judith looks like she's carving her first jack o lantern
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swamp waste posted:i prefer the colors here but you can tell that the other painter had a much better idea of what that should look like IRL. This Judith looks like she's carving her first jack o lantern  e:Maybe Caravaggio should have taken some artistic license and shown Judith slicing off Holo's nutsack, since Caravaggio had real world experience doing just that a hole-y ghost fucked around with this message at 02:17 on May 16, 2017 |
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JuniperCake posted:Agreed. As much as I love the world's angriest Italian, I have to say his version is pretty lacking. Judith isn't nearly as badass in that one as she is in Gentileschi's. Yeah I agree, Gentileschi is really good at showing implied motion. Something that is often lost in high rendered paintings/illustrations.  This is Bosch's magnum opus in my opinion:  Nude fucked around with this message at 02:50 on May 16, 2017 |
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May 16, 2017 02:48
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Guess I'll post some updates. Progress on a picture I posted earlier in the thread:  Not a lot of progress on the "mermaid" but I did start painting the hands and arms: 
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a hole-y ghost posted:Guess I'll post some updates. I really like your painting style. Are you just over painting or what is it you're doing?
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