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Tezcatlipoca posted:Maia's takedowns are really good because he switches between bjj and wrestling techniques/positions really fluidly. Usually when someone shoots and gets sprawled out into half guard that means the takedown was defended well. With Maia you're in just as much danger from a position that usually means you're safe. He's like quicksand once he gets ahold of a leg. My favorite part of the Masvidal fight was when Gamebred stuffed a shot but Maia immediately pulled halfguard and was on top within a few seconds and it prompted DC's argument against the takedown statistics. The only way to really defend a Maia takedown at this point is to not let him touch you at all once he's decided to close the distance.
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May 15, 2017 22:55
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Marching Powder posted:I get wha you're saying but arguably beating Larkin and Maia makes you a stud at ww. Masvidal will be remembered for all the great fighters he arguably beat. maia and larkin are beneficiaries of people leaving and getting old/mentally breaking
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May 15, 2017 22:57
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Charles Gnarwin posted:He's like quicksand once he gets ahold of a leg. My favorite part of the Masvidal fight was when Gamebred stuffed a shot but Maia immediately pulled halfguard and was on top within a few seconds and it prompted DC's argument against the takedown statistics. The only way to really defend a Maia takedown at this point is to not let him touch you at all once he's decided to close the distance. That was a funny conversation.
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May 15, 2017 22:58
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I think Lorenz Larkin was probably a year or two shy of being the best fighter in the divison and the ufc were stupid for letting him go.
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May 15, 2017 23:00
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Bundt Cake posted:maia and larkin are beneficiaries of people leaving and getting old/mentally breaking His destruction of magny was impressive
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May 15, 2017 23:43
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Marching Powder posted:His destruction of magny was impressive Agreed. Magny is very good and he got bodied.
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May 15, 2017 23:45
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Larkin is good, but I think his incredibly efficient destruction of Magny is partly a matter of perfect style vs style in Larkin's favor. His counter striking doesn't always produce results, and he's not great at leading.
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May 16, 2017 00:16
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Woodley's already trying to duck Maia, by the way.
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May 16, 2017 00:37
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Captain Log posted:Has to be the most "We are completely out of options" title shot ever.  Maia has won seven in a row, the last two against top-five opponents. The only competitive fight was Masvidal. He arguably deserved a title shot three wins ago.
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May 16, 2017 00:44
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I dunno if you can call Donald Cerrone an out of class LW after he bodied 4 tough people at WW....
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May 16, 2017 00:45
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Dan Didio posted:Woodley's already trying to duck Maia, by the way. lol hes a big idiot
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May 16, 2017 00:52
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Dan Didio posted:Woodley's already trying to duck Maia, by the way Classic Woodley
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May 16, 2017 01:10
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McGregor broke the UFC by inspiring guys vastly less talented, entertaining and popular than him to also try to do insane hardball negotiations for vanity money fights.
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May 16, 2017 01:22
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Woodley said he would fight Maia, but only if the fights he really wants against Nick Diaz or GSP don't materialize
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May 16, 2017 01:26
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Dr. Abysmal posted:Woodley said he would fight Maia, but only if the fights he really wants against Nick Diaz or GSP don't materialize Admittedly, which PPV is gonna sell more? Fighting one of two dudes who can actually sell tickets, or fighting against a brilliant Brazilian who deserves it, and has a pretty good story, but won't be pushed by WME because he's not one of their clients. Unless he is, in which case, ignore me.
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May 16, 2017 02:35
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GSP vs Diaz II would sell way more PPVs so I hope they do that fight as a main event over Woodley vs Maia, and then Woodley loses, and Maia retires with the belt, and they just go ahead and give Robbie lawler the title back again
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May 16, 2017 02:37
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Marching Powder posted:His destruction of magny was impressive JaySB posted:I dunno if you can call Donald Cerrone an out of class LW after he bodied 4 tough people at WW.... Im probably going too hard in the other direction. but Um yeah I think cerrone, magny, masvidal and maia are all beneficiaries of a lot of guys flaming out at once story, ellenberger, condit, kampmann, hendricks, etc. was a superior group of dudes in their primes, imo. These guys picked them off as they aged out from being beaten up n stuff. I think that class of WWs we saw with the guys i meantioned plus pyle, peirce, brown, and so on. THats the best MMA has been so far, IMO.
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May 16, 2017 03:02
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after woodley/wonderboy II I have to think tyron doesn't have much leverage with dana
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May 16, 2017 03:42
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Bundt Cake posted:Im probably going too hard in the other direction. but Um yeah I think cerrone, magny, masvidal and maia are all beneficiaries of a lot of guys flaming out at once all those dudes except Hendricks and pierce were good not great. Hendricks was great/elite, pierce was flat bad. Maia is great, Cerrone is great and will retire with some fun records, masvidal has potential he hasn't realized
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May 16, 2017 04:03
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david carmichael posted:all those dudes except Hendricks and pierce were good not great. Hendricks was great/elite, pierce was flat bad. Maia is great, Cerrone is great and will retire with some fun records, masvidal has potential he hasn't realized utter disagree cerrone was a great lw. agree hendricks was great. if maia was great it wouldn't have been until now that he broke through Bundt Cake fucked around with this message at 04:08 on May 16, 2017 |
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May 16, 2017 04:05
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Masvidal's entire career is all "that kid has potential if only he stopped being stupid" He's 32.
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May 16, 2017 04:10
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Well, Maia is dogshit to watch but beat a pile of fools on your list. Cerrone will never be champ, masvidal will never be champ, but like.... why isn't your list the actual good fighters from that era like Jake shields and rory
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May 16, 2017 04:11
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1st AD posted:Masvidal's entire career is all "that kid has potential if only he stopped being stupid" i bought it for a long time . f dog talked me out of it
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May 16, 2017 04:13
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david carmichael posted:Well, Maia is dogshit to watch but beat a pile of fools on your list. Cerrone will never be champ, masvidal will never be champ, but like.... why isn't your list the actual good fighters from that era like Jake shields and rory maias solid, he just didnt stand at the top til people like hendricks and condit mental failed, and others got old/left cuz ufc didnt pay up
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May 16, 2017 04:16
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Bundt Cake posted:i bought it for a long time . f dog talked me out of it I remember in like 2013 you posted about how you weren't sure if masvidal was a top fighter or not. 4 years and 12 fights later, the question still remains
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May 16, 2017 04:17
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Bundt Cake posted:maias solid, he just didnt stand at the top til people like hendricks and condit mental failed, and others got old/left cuz ufc didnt pay up I love Condit so very much, but the man who could not stay upright probably wouldn't have ever beaten Maia in a three rounder.
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May 16, 2017 04:22
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big money big clit posted:I love Condit so very much, but the man who could not stay upright probably wouldn't have ever beaten Maia in a three rounder. fair but he was in the division the whole time. the rock paper scissors style makes fights game overall favored condit, though. thats why he fought for the title and maia didnt. maia was part of the insanity of that time. hes bisping like in sticking around so long at the almost top level until it pays off
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May 16, 2017 04:26
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i really like watching Maia
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May 16, 2017 04:27
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it's like watching a guy who can't swim being thrown into the ocean and every minute he gets thrown a progressively better floaty toy
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May 16, 2017 04:28
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he made mw better because his initial streak put the division on notice
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May 16, 2017 04:33
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maia and jason macdonald submitted 7 (incl jmac himself) different mws from 06 to 09. ed herman got choked by both.2 were contenders (leben + sonnen) and hermen, lambert, and jay mac were all likely guys to make the next step. then around 2010 munoz, simpson, and maybe 2-3 other guys came and stepped the wrestling up above nate marquardt levels.
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May 16, 2017 04:47
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Bundt Cake posted:fair but he was in the division the whole time. the rock paper scissors style makes fights game overall favored condit, though. thats why he fought for the title and maia didnt. maia was part of the insanity of that time. hes bisping like in sticking around so long at the almost top level until it pays off Condit got his title shot against Lawler after notching one straight win and going 2-3 in his last five.
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May 16, 2017 05:00
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big money big clit posted:Condit got his title shot against Lawler after notching one straight win and going 2-3 in his last five. And all MMA fans are all the richer for it. Especially jase
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May 16, 2017 05:03
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big money big clit posted:Condit got his title shot against Lawler after notching one straight win and going 2-3 in his last five. he had a close and great fight with the champ hendricks and the weird L to Woodley. hed already transcended to the top at that point. After you put GSP in legit danger and a good fight for the first time in years, you graduate a little bit.
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May 16, 2017 05:06
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What's next for Yair? featherweight is loving stacked. Stephens or Jason Knight would be good. Brian Ortega? featherweight is really cool.
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May 16, 2017 05:08
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NickRoweFillea posted:And all MMA fans are all the richer for it. Especially jase I am exceedingly glad he did because Condit is cool as hell, and it's a great fight, but he got the title shot because he's really exciting, and Maia hasn't so far because he's not.
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May 16, 2017 05:21
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Its like Fitch all over again
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May 16, 2017 05:36
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Nierbo posted:Its like Fitch all over again Maia is better than Fitch ever hoped to be mostly because he actually finishes opponents.
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May 16, 2017 05:37
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Bundt Cake posted:he had a close and great fight with the champ hendricks and the weird L to Woodley. hed already transcended to the top at that point. After you put GSP in legit danger and a good fight for the first time in years, you graduate a little bit. You have all these qualifiers for a fighter that Maia submitted in a couple of minutes. Maia made Anderson so afraid of his power that Silva ran away for 3 rounds. Edit: Condit's loss to Woodley wasn't weird. He ran into right hands over and over then Woodley kicked him and he got injured. To me that says Condit got his loving rear end kicked. Tezcatlipoca fucked around with this message at 05:42 on May 16, 2017 |
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It was a single kick that caused his knee to blow out. I wouldn't say that's an rear end kicking and just a random injury that happened a la Silva breaking his leg in the rematch with Weidman. It's a loss sure, but it's still a random unintended injury that stops the fight mid tempo when neither guy is expecting it to happen. Edit - Check that, it wasn't a kick. It was after Woodley landed on Condit's need during a scramble and when Condit got back up a light kick caused it to buckle further. Watch it here if you have Fight Pass https://www.ufc.tv/video/tyron-woodley-vs-carlos-condit-ufc-171 Mekchu fucked around with this message at 06:26 on May 16, 2017 |
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