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precision posted:i do not like the aesthetics of binding of isaac. it's me, i'm the guy who cares about things other than gameplay It's possible to like the gameplay and aesthetics of both, and i am doing it
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Pigbuster posted:Yup. And it was because they made ever-increasing demands without providing any more resources, just like Scalebound. Microsoft needs to stop telling developers what to do because they're wicked bad at it. wait, that's what happened with scalebound? is there a thing on this? i saw the one on phantom dust, but i assumed scalebound was just hideki kamiya going loving insane with way too much money and making a mess of game cause he thought it was cool
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May 16, 2017 02:14
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precision posted:i do not like the aesthetics of binding of isaac. it's me, i'm the guy who cares about things other than gameplay I disliked the aesthetic of both Isaac and Gungeon, but at least Isaac actually felt like someone's legitimate artistic statement and not the exact same cookie cutter Adult Swim look as half a dozen other games like Gungeon .
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May 16, 2017 02:18
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Guy Mann posted:I disliked the aesthetic of both Isaac and Gungeon, but at least Isaac actually felt like someone's legitimate artistic statement and not the exact same cookie cutter Adult Swim look as half a dozen other games like Gungeon . Looking like an adult swim game makes it derivative but newgrounds is art
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May 16, 2017 02:23
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The Colonel posted:wait, that's what happened with scalebound? is there a thing on this? i saw the one on phantom dust, but i assumed scalebound was just hideki kamiya going loving insane with way too much money and making a mess of game cause he thought it was cool i dunno why you'd assume that when microsoft has a long history of loving over developers
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May 16, 2017 02:28
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xedo posted:Be sure to check every chest twice for maximum whimsy. Seriously. I had no idea about this so thank you
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May 16, 2017 02:29
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Kewpuh posted:dont even get me started on chrono cross or so help me!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkYO0miVa40
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May 16, 2017 02:41
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Guy Mann posted:I disliked the aesthetic of both Isaac and Gungeon, but at least Isaac actually felt like someone's legitimate artistic statement and not the exact same cookie cutter Adult Swim look as half a dozen other games like Gungeon . The poo poo rear end fetus abortion game is a legitimate artistic statement. I like isaac's gameplay but the aesthetic is terrible
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May 16, 2017 02:47
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Really Pants posted:SC didn't have chest messages originally, but I think they've been added since I played it last. If I recall correctly, the chest messages weren't in the Japanese version. The localization is just that good
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May 16, 2017 02:48
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lets hang out posted:i dunno why you'd assume that when microsoft has a long history of loving over developers because i can believe that if you rolled up to hideki kamiya with a truckload of money and said "make us a game with everything you think is really cool" he would spend a literal eternity making it and at the end of that eternity put out a super awesome game that just so happened to be 600 hours long but also ridiculously overdue microsoft might have a long history of loving over developers, but hideki kamiya has a long history of being hideki kamiya, which isn't a negative but man
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oddium posted:enter the gungeon and isaac are both bad for different reasons, where bad here is defined as not nuclear throne, king of kings, blessed be sounds like nuclear throne would be extremely my poo poo then FauxLeather posted:It's possible to like the gameplay and aesthetics of both, and i am doing it oh i'm sure. isaac's imagery just turns me off really bad. i wish it didn't, as it does seem like a really fun game, but i can't get past it. i have the opposite problem with Crypt of the NecroDancer, the art style of that game (and the music/sounds) are so good that i look past the extremely simple gameplay (simple, but good)
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May 16, 2017 02:52
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Looper posted:If I recall correctly, the chest messages weren't in the Japanese version. The localization is just that good They're purely an invention of the loc team having fun with a programming quirk
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May 16, 2017 02:52
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The concepts and implications of Isaac are utterly horrifying but the actual art is so cutesy it doesn't bother me. It helps that it's really great to play.
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May 16, 2017 02:54
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The Colonel posted:because i can believe that if you rolled up to hideki kamiya with a truckload of money and said "make us a game with everything you think is really cool" he would spend a literal eternity making it and at the end of that eternity put out a super awesome game that just so happened to be 600 hours long but also ridiculously overdue idgi. its pretty well discussed that the game morphed into a 4 player online thing that platinum didn't want it to be. MS has cancelled like 6 big games around scalebound but maybe you're right and the guy responsible for many short and focused action games over his entire career was making a star citizen. maybe.
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A lot of the messages in trails 3rd are fan submitted because the localization director was told to come up with 170 unique ones and freaked out
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Add me to the list of the people that can't get past Isaac's aesthetic. I even respect it as the legitimate artistic statement that it is, like Piss Christ, but I'm not being asked to spend hours pressed up against Piss Christ
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May 16, 2017 03:00
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Add me to the list of the people that can't get past Isaac's aesthetic. I even respect it as the legitimate artistic statement that it is, like Piss Christ, but I'm not being asked to spend hours pressed up against Piss Christ Games chat: Casual Serrano references. Best gen chat on the forums!
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May 16, 2017 03:27
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The White Dragon posted:suddenly i'm reminded of why i don't play civ 4 anymore, it's because all-or-nothing losing units in one attack is top level bullshit and i just threw 20 veteran units at a city with three unpromoted defenders who were a tech era behind and lost them all, and then i got attacked by eight units at a city with six defenders who were a tech era ahead and lost the city It's not a real Civ game until a Phalanx unit with a bronze spear takes out a battleship bombarding it from the shore line.
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drat Dirty Ape posted:It's not a real Civ game until a Phalanx unit with a bronze spear takes out a battleship bombarding it from the shore line. Even in Civ 5 I routinely have Archers protecting my cities until well into the Industrial Age 
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Add me to the list of the people that can't get past Isaac's aesthetic. I even respect it as the legitimate artistic statement that it is, like Piss Christ, but I'm not being asked to spend hours pressed up against Piss Christ ya, this is fine, I just get annoyed with people who look at it and go "ugh this is just dead baby and poop jokes for edgelords" and don't recognize that its incredibly dark subject matter (and goofy attitude toward it) is actually trying to communicate something about the experience of child abuse and its relationship with religion, as well as the relationship between religion and roguelike mechanics (because roguelikes are the ultimate example of games that dump you in an uncaring, chaotic universe and it's really interesting in that context how mechanically important religion is to huge ones like nethack and crawl) isaac's aesthetics are gross and themes are unpleasant, and i'm okay with people not wanting to live in them, but they aren't dumb
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wizard on a water slide posted:ya, this is fine, I just get annoyed with people who look at it and go "ugh this is just dead baby and poop jokes for edgelords" and don't recognize that its incredibly dark subject matter (and goofy attitude toward it) is actually trying to communicate something about the experience of child abuse and its relationship with religion, as well as the relationship between religion and roguelike mechanics (because roguelikes are the ultimate example of games that dump you in an uncaring, chaotic universe and it's really interesting in that context how mechanically important religion is to huge ones like nethack and crawl) i've always thought of it as dead baby and poop jokes for edgelords, but if i'm wrong that makes me significantly more interested in actually playing it
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May 16, 2017 03:44
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I like the heavy themes of the 7 different bean items that make you fart in different ways
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Problem Sleuth posted:i've always thought of it as dead baby and poop jokes for edgelords, but if i'm wrong that makes me significantly more interested in actually playing it the first big bad is your mom who tries to crush you in the womb so its like pretty unsubtle messaging through the language of pee pee poo pee. if you're as hosed up as the creator it might be good therapy but nobody is playing isaac for those themes i would imagine, its a fun little game engine that has some people addicted
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Problem Sleuth posted:i've always thought of it as dead baby and poop jokes for edgelords, but if i'm wrong that makes me significantly more interested in actually playing it It's boneheaded and ugly and I hate the look of the game and I have like 200 hours in it.
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i'm not saying it's not that thing at all, but there's something going on with it other than that and yeah the reason to play it is because the gameplay owns
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wizard on a water slide posted:ya, this is fine, I just get annoyed with people who look at it and go "ugh this is just dead baby and poop jokes for edgelords" People could totally be forgiven for thinking so, since Super Meat Boy was also dead baby and poop jokes for edgelords with the same lovely ugly art style, without the excuse of ~×~ deep n dark themez ~×~
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May 16, 2017 04:02
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@corn http://store.steampowered.com/app/512060/Stay_Stay_Democratic_Peoples_Republic_of_Korea/ 
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raditts posted:People could totally be forgiven for thinking so, since Super Meat Boy was also dead baby and poop jokes for edgelords with the same lovely ugly art style, without the excuse of ~×~ deep n dark themez ~×~ well, that and an awesome platformer, yeah idk, I think making a roguelike about religion is cool given the role it plays in the genre despite the games being godless random universes, sUE ME
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May 16, 2017 04:06
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There is not God but Gun God *airhorn sample*
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oddly enough i had no problem with the aesthetics of Super Meat Boy, maybe because they're much easier to ignore
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precision posted:oddly enough i had no problem with the aesthetics of Super Meat Boy, maybe because they're much easier to ignore Super meat boy is gross and edgy on top of a colorful world. Isaac is poo poo on blood on vomit on poo poo.
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May 16, 2017 04:42
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Problem Sleuth posted:i've always thought of it as dead baby and poop jokes for edgelords, but if i'm wrong that makes me significantly more interested in actually playing it Its a little cheesy and on the nose but as someone who grew up thinking Dungeons and Dragons was satanic and going to youth group meetings where they burned Nirvana CDs and poo poo it's sort of comforting playing a game that acknowledges that background
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Grapplejack posted:@corn Big Man Tyrone is advocating for it, so you know it's good
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Looper posted:The poo poo rear end fetus abortion game is a legitimate artistic statement. I like isaac's gameplay but the aesthetic is terrible Imo it is an artistic statement, mainly the creator's attempt at showcasing the horrors of religious extremism through the nightmares of a little kid
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Admittedly, several friends have joked that it should be called the "Binding of Kite" so of course I'm gonna end up liking what it did with its aesthetic.
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In Training posted:There is not God but Gun God *airhorn sample* oh ya, in any case my pro-isaac stance should not be interpreted as anti-gungeon or nuclear throne; they're all good games honestly the rise of indies and creation of a broad and accessible pc gaming marketplace has lead to a world with an abundance of good games of every type, and it fills my heart to bursting... 2017 has been a good year for major studios so far too
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wizard on a water slide posted:oh ya, in any case my pro-isaac stance should not be interpreted as anti-gungeon or nuclear throne; they're all good games Isaac and Nuclear Throne are good, Gungeon has an enormous amount of problems but it isn't "bad".
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I always associate "edgy" humor with laughing at downtrodden people, so it feels weird calling Isaac edgy since Edmund is basically telling an exaggerated story about his own childhood with all the good (pets, video games, toys, imaginary friends from the bible, fart jokes) and the bad (pets dying, imaginary scary people from the bible, believing you are inherently sinful and made your parents break up). It feels like he's riffing on himself more than anything. I can get finding it too ugly to handle but at least "cute monsters made of poop/corpses" is unique, and unique does a lot for me.
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