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I am not initially against the idea of being honest about some of the flaws of your own side (or at least some of the strategies used). However, some debate suggestions in the comment section makes me cringe a bit already: >Respect. Also, get Crowder on here, that'd be an awesome debate >If you want to start out intermediate, debate the YouTuber, 'Rags'. If you want a challenge, debate Ben Shapiro >Invite Sargon of akkad >Invite Hunter Avallone and LeafyIsHere
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Seriously I really think I need an internet break because I'm becoming convinced that all this poo poo is leading to a cultural shift that will have everyone openly goose stepping down the street by like 2021
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May 17, 2017 00:48
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I'm wondering how much all this "anti-SJW" stuff is due to the decreased prominence of the fundamentalist Christian right-wing as the most obvious "counter-culture" target. Like, ~back in my day~ young edgy people almost universally targeted conservatives (who conveniently actually were bad), but now that they don't seem to have the same position in society that they used to (referring specifically to the fundamentalist right, not the right-wing in general) it seems like these sorts of people have fragmented, with a portion turning their anger against "SJWs".
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May 17, 2017 01:47
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The alt-right/"anti-sjw" crew is directly descended from the new atheist movement. Contrapoints has talked about it a little, but all those first-wave woman-hater shits like thunderfoot and the amazing atheist (sargon too, I think) started out mocking creationists and making GBS threads on their ignorance and bad logic. Once the creationists dried up, they turned on women and people who aren't white, assuming that they were masters of logic and research because they could take down Kirk Cameron and Answers in Genesis. Laci Green and Rebecca Watson were part of that original crew too, and partially precipitated the inevitable collapse of "skepticism" as a unified tent that could both tolerate chauvinist male rationals like Dawkins, Shermer, and DJ Grothe and hold a commitment to inclusion or rigorous skeptical inquiry toward dumb sexism (especially manifested as evolutionary psychology or sexism toward female scientists) or scientific racism and racism in science.
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Ytlaya posted:I'm wondering how much all this "anti-SJW" stuff is due to the decreased prominence of the fundamentalist Christian right-wing as the most obvious "counter-culture" target. Like, ~back in my day~ young edgy people almost universally targeted conservatives (who conveniently actually were bad), but now that they don't seem to have the same position in society that they used to (referring specifically to the fundamentalist right, not the right-wing in general) it seems like these sorts of people have fragmented, with a portion turning their anger against "SJWs". So you're saying it's kids flailing at whoever seems most culturally ascendant?
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May 17, 2017 02:11
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Lightning Lord posted:Seriously I really think I need an internet break because I'm becoming convinced that all this poo poo is leading to a cultural shift that will have everyone openly goose stepping down the street by like 2021 it ain't no crime to punch a nazi. always remember that
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Lightning Lord posted:Seriously I really think I need an internet break because I'm becoming convinced that all this poo poo is leading to a cultural shift that will have everyone openly goose stepping down the street by like 2021 I feel that way sometimes too, but I know the answer is no. The people who spout this garbage are just load and obnoxious, doing and saying whatever gets them attention. Whether its because they really believe it or are just stupid, one thing is certain; it pays the bills to be edgy/provocative on the internet. Honestly sounds bad, but then you realize that a lot of the people supporting them (a) have actively followed the people spewing this poo poo a long time, (b) are young enough to not know any better, (c) lazy as hell and don't want to be bothered with anything that they think might ask them to do something, (d)honestly are a racist/sexist/homophobic/hateful idiot thinking this will be their reckoning or (e) some combination of the previous answers. When I think of these people I remember that the entire foundation of their ideology relies not just on misinformation and ignorance, but doing as little as possible to change it. Think of the Amazing Atheist and how long he's been pumping out these videos. Think of Thunderf00t and the fact he basically had to talk about Anita to get/stay relevant. Hell, that sh0e video on the previous page is insane but required. She had to rationalize not just Trump but Mike Pence to justify her support for them. I mean, Sargon literally had to just give up on reading anything before spouting of nonsense about the evil Muslims. I keep saying "had" because they don't have any better or more meaningful ideas that aren't just torn apart by basic literacy. They have to carefully edit the people the argue against to sound smart at all. What they all have in common is that they suck at arguing and won't leave the comfort of their homes to make any changes or in an attempt to understand the world. It's scary at first glance because it seems like a lot of people supporting the mra/antifem/alt-right stuff, but then you realize its the same people watching the same crap over and over again, terrified to walk outside because someone might actually challenge their views. And if we've learned anything from these folks its that they really suck at debates. https://youtu.be/SpgBkpb7xlU?t=347
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Yeah, compare the subscription numbers for sargon or thunderfoot with the average views on their recent videos. People subscribe, watch for a while, and move on without unsubscribing. There are new teenagers discovering that poo poo, but plenty grow up and move on. And Anita Sarkeesian probably reached way more teens than any of them.
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I made another video ripe for intellectual mockery. Here's Made of Robots Episode 1: Robot Rights. Cheap yo!. Guest appearances by WrenP-Complete and Eripsabot. Comments and suggestions appreciated.
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May 17, 2017 04:12
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Ytlaya posted:I'm wondering how much all this "anti-SJW" stuff is due to the decreased prominence of the fundamentalist Christian right-wing as the most obvious "counter-culture" target. Like, ~back in my day~ young edgy people almost universally targeted conservatives (who conveniently actually were bad), but now that they don't seem to have the same position in society that they used to (referring specifically to the fundamentalist right, not the right-wing in general) it seems like these sorts of people have fragmented, with a portion turning their anger against "SJWs". I don't think there's a sharp divide between anti SJW and older reactionary stuff. It may be less religious, but to be honest it really, really reminds of the 'Political Correctness Gone Mad (PCGM)' that you often hear from older people. I know my dad is a lot like that, he isn't at all religious (to an unusual extent given his age group and the fact that he's Irish) he doesn't use the terms like SJW but a lot of the underlying ideology is almost exactly the same, such distrust of Muslims because they refuse to integrate and their beliefs are intrinsically violent. Another thing, I've spent most of my life in Britain and Ireland, and I think that conservatism in Britain is a lot less religiously charged than it is stateside. I think that the current anti SJW reactionaries that have caught on in America who aren't very religious like you say are very similar to British conservatives old and new, and its no coincidence that a lot of popular figures like Tunderf00t and Sargon are British too.
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Deified Data posted:Uh...wth is Laci Green doing? "I think people are acting like harmful speech and punching someone is the same, and that's bad." Shortly after that: "Boycotting books and rioting to shut down a talk are de facto censorship, and censorship is wrong." Amazing.
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Deified Data posted:Uh...wth is Laci Green doing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r1NHVHBUks
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May 17, 2017 05:26
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She's done this once before, when she was involved with New Atheism - she reached out to a bunch of bible thumpers and they told her to find Jesus.
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May 17, 2017 05:37
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R. Guyovich posted:these people haven't done a minute of organizing or real-world activism in their lives and even though fascists have a giant head start on socialists when it comes to the preconditions for success, you still have to do things to make it happen Hmm, they are still debating and actively thinking their differences out in the public sphere. Let's not forget Trump imediatelly co-opted this crowd, even twitting a Pepe meme and so on. You do have a few leftist 'intelectuals' like badmouseproductions, finishbolshevik etc, but they pale in dimension when compared to the shitlords and in the end I wouldn't so easily underestimate the work Carlgon and the other idiots are having to a great many number of digitally inclined young people.
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May 17, 2017 05:41
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Is Carl of Sad really any different from Limbaugh or Beck? Boomers listen to them say the same specious poo poo for hours every day. It's politically partisan and not just naked bigotry, but it is pretty much naked bigotry also, and poorly reasoned and highly selective and inaccurate in its facts.
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business hammocks posted:Is Carl of Sad really any different from Limbaugh or Beck? Boomers listen to them say the same specious poo poo for hours every day. It's politically partisan and not just naked bigotry, but it is pretty much naked bigotry also, and poorly reasoned and highly selective and inaccurate in its facts. I guess we're trying to figure out if Carlgon or Kraut and Tea or whatever are going to convince the next generation to expunge the Muslims or if they are indeed just Rush 2.0
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May 17, 2017 06:02
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Rush was and is genuinely massively influential.
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To me, the thing separating these YouTube alt right types from actual danger is the lack of call to action. Most of them just rant, rant, rant and never propose that their viewers actually do anything, because doing stuff is caring and caring isn't cool. Like, be thankful for the overwhelming sense of apathy that plagues the younger generation.
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Discendo Vox posted:Rush was and is genuinely massively influential. Yes but I mean he never said "Time to kill all the non-whites and liberals" like alt-right types want.
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WampaLord posted:To me, the thing separating these YouTube alt right types from actual danger is the lack of call to action. Most of them just rant, rant, rant and never propose that their viewers actually do anything, because doing stuff is caring and caring isn't cool. Hey now, let's not forget Carl's valiant call to "petition universities".
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I wouldn't downplay the impact the reactionaries have. For a time, I was briefly enamoured with Sargon's rhetoric and I've been a lefty for almost my entire life. The Islamic terrorist attacks genuinely terrified me and when you see the propaganda of "The Muslims are coming to breed you out of your countries!!!" and you're already suspicious of them, it can drive you into some very dark places. That's incidentally why Hbomberguy and S&J and others are so valuable. I'd already detached myself from Sargon before I discovered Shaun, but these videos operate along the same principle as an argument here, where you try to convince the audience, not necessarily your opponent. It's also why I get really annoyed when people like Garret say "don't engage, just laugh" or in no-platforming stances in general. You can laugh, certainly, but when Hbomberguy did that masterful takedown of Sargon's attempt at debunking the 1-in-5 rape statistics, it drove home just what ignorant charlatans these people are in a way that a pithy putdown or a "I don't debate nazis" wouldn't have. It also applied when Sargon started parroting pro-Assad memes like the girl crisis actor, the girl who appeared in 3 photos that were purported to be of different events at different times. Someone pointed out it was debunked and why, and suddenly Sargon looks like a moron spouting tinfoil hattery. I understand why people support no-platforming, but to me, the idea that people who can be convinced are being left to marinate in the toxic soup of reactionary ideas because some people won't stoop to slap down their arguments concerns me, perhaps because I once was floating in that soup.
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PiCroft posted:I wouldn't downplay the impact the reactionaries have. For a time, I was briefly enamoured with Sargon's rhetoric and I've been a lefty for almost my entire life. The Islamic terrorist attacks genuinely terrified me and when you see the propaganda of "The Muslims are coming to breed you out of your countries!!!" and you're already suspicious of them, it can drive you into some very dark places. I personally don't think after the fact critiques count as "engaging" per se. I hear you though. I don't doubt the effect the reactionaries have - I think the point here is more that they're probably not going to cause a shitload of millenials to go goose stepping down the street en masse, which is what I'm kind of paranoid about.
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PiCroft posted:I wouldn't downplay the impact the reactionaries have. For a time, I was briefly enamoured with Sargon's rhetoric and I've been a lefty for almost my entire life. The Islamic terrorist attacks genuinely terrified me and when you see the propaganda of "The Muslims are coming to breed you out of your countries!!!" and you're already suspicious of them, it can drive you into some very dark places. I often wonder what would happen if you just played the Socratic irony card on every single thing that these fuckers say. Just let them spool out their underdeveloped philosophy out until it hits life story, then keep going until it becomes achingly, blazingly, un-ignorably clear that they're still not over the time Cassandra turned them down in high school and think that they would totally be getting laid more if she hadn't.
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Didn't she take her sex show and start doing it through MTV/Kornhaber Brown? I imagine she probably got royally screwed in that deal after it was cancelled (MTV/Viacom has a nasty habit of making you sign over IP). So yea, back to the drama mines for the sweet sweet clicks. Man, the next time a real recession hits and ad revenue craters, there is going to be some surreal meltdowns among "influencers".
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Somfin posted:I often wonder what would happen if you just played the Socratic irony card on every single thing that these fuckers say. Just let them spool out their underdeveloped philosophy out until it hits life story, then keep going until it becomes achingly, blazingly, un-ignorably clear that they're still not over the time Cassandra turned them down in high school and think that they would totally be getting laid more if she hadn't. I feel personally attacked.
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Lightning Lord posted:I personally don't think after the fact critiques count as "engaging" per se. I guess It's not the goose-stepping I'm worried about; they don't need to start throwing up the Somfin posted:I often wonder what would happen if you just played the Socratic irony card on every single thing that these fuckers say. Just let them spool out their underdeveloped philosophy out until it hits life story, then keep going until it becomes achingly, blazingly, un-ignorably clear that they're still not over the time Cassandra turned them down in high school and think that they would totally be getting laid more if she hadn't. I think that's probably the case with the more screwy ones (Stephan Molyneux, RooshV, Black Pigeon etc) who have very obvious woman issues, especially RooshV who Hbomberguy did a video about where he explained a bit about his past (short story: he was attracted to a girl he was friends with, found out she was dating another guy and eventually destroyed the friendship she wanted to maintain because he couldn't get over it). I've no idea where Sargon or TL;DR are coming from. e: Isn't Sargon married with a child?
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Eripsa posted:I made another video ripe for intellectual mockery. Here's Made of Robots Episode 1: Robot Rights. Cheap yo!. Guest appearances by WrenP-Complete and Eripsabot. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Just noting I was not involved in making this video, just in coding Eripsabot. Fly free, little robot. I'll take a look later. WrenP-Complete fucked around with this message at 11:51 on May 17, 2017 |
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Midig posted:I feel personally attacked. On the one hand, sorry about Cassie, I'm sure she'd still like to get in touch. On the other, that was a classic cold reading trick- be vague enough and aim at people who want to get hit, and surprise surprise you land one.
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I see Sargon's very first video was him hopping aboard the Anita bashing train. I wonder if watching thunderf00ts first few Anita videos got him started. TL;DR seems like someone who thought "I could make money from that" in a slightly more subtle way than shoe0nhead's MRA clickbait.
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Somfin posted:On the one hand, sorry about Cassie, I'm sure she'd still like to get in touch. In all seriousness my nice guy and "rational" thinking hit me at the same time when I was 16. A good friend snapped me out from the former and helped me on the process of slowly getting out from the latter. Midig fucked around with this message at 12:06 on May 17, 2017 |
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Eripsa posted:I made another video ripe for intellectual mockery. Here's Made of Robots Episode 1: Robot Rights. Cheap yo!. Guest appearances by WrenP-Complete and Eripsabot. Comments and suggestions appreciated. I liked your video, I just wish you covered https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/18/technology/robotica-sony-aibo-robotic-dog-mortality.html?_r=0 this as well, (though it might have been too dense then)
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I cleansed my YouTube and I still get this poo poo. General opinions on this guy folks? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wUJefiibHL4
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PiCroft posted:e: Isn't Sargon married with a child? That should be illegal IMHO.
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Jerry Cotton posted:That should be illegal IMHO. Marriage? Children?
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WrenP-Complete posted:Marriage? Children? Marriage with children.
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WrenP-Complete posted:Marriage? Children? Sargon.
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