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Its way more selfish to think you should be able to opt out of invasions because that would gently caress them up for everyone else. VVV No its proof that most people are just giant cowards Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 05:20 on May 17, 2017 |
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Internet Kraken posted:Its way more selfish to think you should be able to opt out of invasions because that would gently caress them up for everyone else. You can still PvP against all the people with Stockholm Syndrome. If you think everybody will opt out of PvP, then that's objective proof that the PvP system is poo poo.
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May 17, 2017 05:15
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Internet Kraken posted:Its way more selfish to think you should be able to opt out of invasions because that would gently caress them up for everyone else.
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May 17, 2017 05:20
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No Wave posted:"Everyone else" being an incredibly loud and whiny 1% of the player base who spend hundreds of hours gearing up for PvP and optimizing their SL to have fair fights against players on their first run through the game. Yeah the invaders are the ones whining as opposed to the people that are complaining about not being able to run away from a game mechanic  Also if you think every single invader is hyper-optimized PvP build you haven't fought many.
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May 17, 2017 05:22
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dark souls pvp has always been a dumpster fire and if i really wanted to kill other people in a videogame i'd probably just play a game that's set up for it and isn't just an esoteric collection of lovely hitboxes and weird nerd e-bushido
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May 17, 2017 05:24
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Internet Kraken posted:Yeah the invaders are the ones whining as opposed to the people that are complaining about not being able to run away from a game mechanic Deport The Irish posted:You can still PvP against all the people with Stockholm Syndrome. 
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May 17, 2017 05:26
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Johnny Joestar posted:dark souls pvp has always been a dumpster fire and if i really wanted to kill other people in a videogame i'd probably just play a game that's set up for it and isn't just an esoteric collection of lovely hitboxes and weird nerd e-bushido The mechanics behind it have always been a janky mess but its a completely unique experience. There really aren't many other games that can put you against another player in an uncomfortable situation. Being able to fight another person almost anywhere using a huge variety of weapons adds a lot of excitement to the game to me. You can do some really interesting and creative stuff with builds too (though it varies in effectiveness compared to just spamming R1 with a straight sword). Now as for honorable arena PvP I've never seen the appeal of that In Dark Souls. When you take out the random elements of invasions I lost all interest in the game.
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May 17, 2017 05:33
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I'm sorry I keep posting this video, but look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ryhKKGMSXE&t=20s This is the "game mechanic" people want to avoid. How on earth do you rationalize that people should be subjected to that in an otherwise good and fun game? How on earth do you rationalize calling people who want to opt out of this loving mess "the real selfish ones"?
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May 17, 2017 05:34
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Your Computer posted:I'm sorry I keep posting this video, but look at this: A completely unique experience.
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May 17, 2017 05:36
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Bloodborne has the best PvP. It's totally optional except for a few areas which you can kill the mob that let's people invade you. However, if you want to invade people you open yourself up to invasions again.
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May 17, 2017 05:38
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Your Computer posted:I'm sorry I keep posting this video, but look at this: Because if its always like that for you then the problem is on your end. Forcing people to actually deal with invaders is part of the appeal because you don't just get hyper tryhard fights constantly. Plus it means you might get invaded in a situation where you are at a disadvantage. If you let people opt out of invasions then a bunch of people would turn them off or put them off when they aren't at 100% optimal fight conditions. Then you get less players for invasions, which discourages people from invading in the first place. And then you get more invasions against gank squads too which encourages the people that do invade to go hyper tryhard builds otherwise they get their rear end kicked. Which fucks over the people who actually leave invasions on for fun, since now there's less build variety. So yeah, I am gonna call you selfish for thinking its fine to screw over an entire part of the game just because you personally have a problem with it due to your crappy connection. If you want to engage with the online elements of the game, then you need to have decent internet.
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May 17, 2017 05:40
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Internet Kraken posted:Yeah the invaders are the ones whining as opposed to the people that are complaining about not being able to run away from a game mechanic They are though. Invaders lost their poo poo when the game skewed the invasions towards players with summons and let people use Giant Seeds. Invaders didn't stop bitching and moaning about it until the recent patch that made giant seeds last less than second. They still cry about gank squads and use that as justification for gearing characters up with end-game gear and invading new players in the high wall. Because ;_; WHAT IF I INVADE A GANK SQUAD, IT'S NOT FAIR TO ME. The invasion loving fanbase of the game have always been whiny bitches.
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May 17, 2017 05:45
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:Bloodborne has the best PvP. It's totally optional except for a few areas which you can kill the mob that let's people invade you. However, if you want to invade people you open yourself up to invasions again. it would be the best if you could ever find anyone lol. ive been playing ds1 recently and i get like 10x as many invasions as I got playing bloodborne at its peak
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May 17, 2017 05:48
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Nuebot posted:They are though. Invaders lost their poo poo when the game skewed the invasions towards players with summons and let people use Giant Seeds. Invaders didn't stop bitching and moaning about it until the recent patch that made giant seeds last less than second. They still cry about gank squads and use that as justification for gearing characters up with end-game gear and invading new players in the high wall. Because ;_; WHAT IF I INVADE A GANK SQUAD, IT'S NOT FAIR TO ME. The invasion loving fanbase of the game have always been whiny bitches. If you honestly think seeds of the giant lasting 2 hours was a good thing then you're a joke. Not gonna say there aren't people that complain about how lopsided invasions in DS3 are but people whining about dying to an invader have always been way more vocal.
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May 17, 2017 05:54
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Internet Kraken posted:If you honestly think seeds of the giant lasting 2 hours was a good thing then you're a joke. Well yeah, if you die to an invader you got interrupted while trying to get some poo poo done. If you die as an invader you just use the orb again. On a related note: How does someone use the red eye orb anyway? Is it like some kind of evil stress ball or something? Is it Velka???
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May 17, 2017 05:58
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Invading my world isn't offensive and i'll happily wave and greet you, instantly attacking without returning a "hey!" back at me is a crime worse than murder and punished by me healing and summoning and cheesing as much as i possibly can. Have some civilized manners, kids.Panty Saluter posted:Just popping in to say gently caress Dancer phase two. That is all Take of all your clothes for that ultrafast roll and two hand your weapon and dance along.
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May 17, 2017 06:14
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I burned through 20 orbs today and have been farming for more from Darkwraiths until I get the unbreakable one. It's me. I'm the criminal ruining someone's precious PvE experience. If I win haha get dunked loser. If I lose then sometimes I still win because on a couple occasions nearby monsters were kind enough to finish the job for me. ^^gently caress that e-bushido poo poo. When I invade dudes priority #1 is make that guy get dead by any means necessary. If I get invaded I'm chugging estus and calling in the cavalry. Make the dude lose.
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May 17, 2017 06:17
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And Tyler Too! posted:I burned through 20 orbs today and have been farming for more from Darkwraiths until I get the unbreakable one. It's me. I'm the criminal ruining someone's precious PvE experience. If I win haha get dunked loser. If I lose then sometimes I still win because on a couple occasions nearby monsters were kind enough to finish the job for me. You can get the full orb like, half-way through the Settlement. You should never have to farm any.
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May 17, 2017 06:19
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I guess I haven't found the guy yet. Time for some backtracking!
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May 17, 2017 06:20
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I tried invading for the first time in Dark Souls 3 (with it being a defining feature of the series) and I was really disappointed that it was skewed so heavily towards players with (several) summons. I generally don't summon and I've had one single invasion. I played Dark Souls 2 on Xbox 360 six months ago and I got invaded more there.
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May 17, 2017 06:29
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And Tyler Too! posted:I guess I haven't found the guy yet. Time for some backtracking! He's standing on the side of the central throne in Firelink. He'll give you some cracked orbs. To start the quest to get the full orb you have to return after he gives you the orbs with a pale tongue in your inventory. number one pta fan posted:I tried invading for the first time in Dark Souls 3 (with it being a defining feature of the series) and I was really disappointed that it was skewed so heavily towards players with (several) summons. I generally don't summon and I've had one single invasion. I played Dark Souls 2 on Xbox 360 six months ago and I got invaded more there. That's because DS3 heavily weighs invasions towards players that have summons present. If you don't play with summons then invaders are a lot less common. I'd rather they just weigh everyone equally. I barely ever get invaded unless I use the finger.
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May 17, 2017 06:32
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Internet Kraken posted:He's standing on the side of the central throne in Firelink. He'll give you some cracked orbs. To start the quest to get the full orb you have to return after he gives you the orbs with a pale tongue in your inventory. Yeah, he gave me a key to something and told me to hunt down a very specific darkwraith but I forgot the hint he dropped. Time to consult the wiki I guess.
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May 17, 2017 06:34
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Internet Kraken posted:That's because DS3 heavily weighs invasions towards players that have summons present. If you don't play with summons then invaders are a lot less common. I'd rather they just weigh everyone equally. I barely ever get invaded unless I use the finger. I have social anxiety to a level where I can only tolerate the company of a co-op partner for 2-3 boss fights per run.
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May 17, 2017 06:40
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I hate invading and I hate being invaded. Its no fun for anyone. It usually happens because I got ember'd doing a boss or something and generally involves one of us getting curbstomped because of some bullshit. It probably works a lot nicer in the Asian regions where there's less 'pubby stigma' and people are generally playing video games for enjoyment. (seriously as an Australian I generally play with exclusively Asians because playing with English speakers from the UK or America is pure disappointment by comparison. Plus my ping is better there)
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May 17, 2017 07:21
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I'm working my way to 120 on a faith build (and thus my first go at Ringed City) but really want archdeacon's staff. Oh my God is there a better way to get human dregs than the hell that is Aldrich Faithful invasions? I would also accept PvP tips for faith builds because I loving suck at it and get stunlocked all the time. At least I can get one poise lightning stake off before getting walloped or ganked.
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May 17, 2017 07:27
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f#a# posted:I'm working my way to 120 on a faith build (and thus my first go at Ringed City) but really want archdeacon's staff. get your item discovery gear on and wipe out those fuckin' tall and short priest guys over and over. The ones right outside his door. Yes. the best way to gain ranks in Alrich's faithful is to kill the dude and kick the poo poo out of his doorguards. Motherfucker fucked around with this message at 07:35 on May 17, 2017 |
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May 17, 2017 07:32
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And Tyler Too! posted:Yeah, he gave me a key to something and told me to hunt down a very specific darkwraith but I forgot the hint he dropped. Time to consult the wiki I guess. It's a locked door near the second High Wall bonfire with an elevator behind it. The elevator will take you down to the darkwraith, who drops the orb.
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May 17, 2017 09:33
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The last time I got invaded wasn't any fun not because of lag or anything like that but because the red phantom was a coward rear end bitch that wouldn't fight me and spent 20 minutes trying to lead me into harald knights until I got bored to tears and took the bait. It's a loving nuisance. It's not that I don't like the pvp, I do the arena. But invading is half baked at the least
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May 17, 2017 13:08
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Invading in 3 sucks balls. The only fun I've had was as a mound maker the week Ringed City came out. Any other time I've done it I've been immediately ganked. Whyyyyy did they weigh it to people who've already summoned.
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May 17, 2017 13:16
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RoadCrewWorker posted:
Most of my problem is that three games deep I'm still not very patient. I want to be in there swinging, not Pepe Le Pew-ing around the arena waiting for one tiny window to attack. I do wish I'd worked up a decent bleed weapon. I have a couple but they're too slow to really do much.
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May 17, 2017 13:24
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:The last time I got invaded wasn't any fun not because of lag or anything like that but because the red phantom was a coward rear end bitch that wouldn't fight me and spent 20 minutes trying to lead me into harald knights until I got bored to tears and took the bait. It's a loving nuisance. It's not that I don't like the pvp, I do the arena. But invading is half baked at the least Last night the most annoying invasion wasn't the hacker it was the guy who lagged a bit and killed me in two hits from 1300 hp with a ultra weapon because the game didn't quite remember that the attack I was doing had hyperarmor because of lag (in retrospect I guess what actually happened was that I was already dead). quote:Invading in 3 sucks balls. yeah
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May 17, 2017 13:26
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Internet Kraken posted:If you honestly think seeds of the giant lasting 2 hours was a good thing then you're a joke. You can't win this argument. There are literally zero draw backs to losing as an invader. You don't lose an ember, you don't lose progress, you don't lose souls unless you don't go back and get them. Giant seeds were used as a reaction, are very scarce, and nobody ever stayed in one area long enough to run the timer of a giant seed out, nor did they rest at a bonfire just to respawn enemies to gently caress with invaders. Besides, *the monsters are on your side.* How is that a fair fight? uncle w benefits fucked around with this message at 14:02 on May 17, 2017 |
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May 17, 2017 13:48
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Your Computer posted:I'm sorry I keep posting this video, but look at this: Still a little startled that you think that's how it goes for everyone. You can youtube the title of your video and get hundreds of videos which show nothing at all like you are seeing. I have seen some T-Posing a couple of times but by and large, the PvP is good and nowhere near as laggy as say DS1. You clearly have a connection issue on your end. Of all 5 games, DS3 is by far the least laggy PvP. Bloodborne is close, but invasions in BB are so rare as to basically be a non-issue. I'm not a huge PvP guy but it can be a fun little distraction, or a minor annoyance. But really - it's pretty difficult to die somewhere that you legit can't get your souls back. Bonfires are rarely far apart, so you are rarely far from one - so it's perhaps less of a big deal in DS3 than previous games. It used to suck in Sen's fortress because that first bonfire takes a LONG time to get to if you're not familiar with all the traps. So what I'm basically saying is you are picking a really weird hill to die on due to your weird lag problems (which I can assure you are YOURS) - my PvP has never looked like that video you posted.
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May 17, 2017 14:22
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HaB posted:Of all 5 games, DS3 is by far the least laggy PvP. Bloodborne is close, but invasions in BB are so rare as to basically be a non-issue. All three DSes have the same amount of lag once actually connected. Come on now, this is absurd.
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May 17, 2017 14:24
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HaB posted:Still a little startled that you think that's how it goes for everyone.  Here's a couple of snippets to help you out: Your Computer posted:..the amount of lag (due to geographical location or otherwise) makes it completely unplayable for me. I've literally never said it's like that for everyone (and indeed, that would be ridiculous). Every time I've posted about this I've made sure to clarify that it's like this for me and that for those of us not fortunate enough to live in a place where we get good connections to other players (I assume the PvP is partially P2P or hosted in the US) this is a big problem.
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May 17, 2017 14:29
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Your Computer posted:I've literally never said it's like that for everyone (and indeed, that would be ridiculous). Every time I've posted about this I've made sure to clarify that it's like this for me and that for those of us not fortunate enough to live in a place where we get good connections to other players (I assume the PvP is partially P2P or hosted in the US) this is a big problem. It is P2P once connected, yes. From are huge liars when it comes to the "dedicated servers" thing.
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May 17, 2017 14:39
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No Wave posted:They're a neat idea in concept but I don't think it goes past neat gimmick. I expect game studios to rip off everything from DS besides random invasions. Back when I worked on mobile games shortly before DS2 came out, we were making a Telenovela trivia game and I managed to get an invasion mechanic into it. It was our most successful game. You'd be in the middle of playing and you'd get randomly invaded and thrown into a face-off against someone else. If you beat them, you'd get some energy back and some in game currency IIRC. Invasion mechanics are always great. Even in games for old Mexican ladies. Maleh-Vor fucked around with this message at 14:45 on May 17, 2017 |
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May 17, 2017 14:42
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Tallgeese posted:All three DSes have the same amount of lag once actually connected. Come on now, this is absurd. No they really don't. Games for Windows live is a piece of poo poo, and Ds2's net code is extremely temperamental at best. It is the reason why 3 is the first game I actually got into the pvp
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May 17, 2017 14:42
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Your Computer posted:Did you even read any of my posts? I mean...here's a snippet from YOUR latest post: quote:This is the "game mechanic" people want to avoid. How on earth do you rationalize that people should be subjected to that in an otherwise good and fun game? How on earth do you rationalize calling people who want to opt out of this loving mess "the real selfish ones"? ...that doesn't look specific to you. In fact it looks awfully general. Perhaps you meant to say you want to opt-out? And you can - play offline. There you go. Summoning help makes you more susceptible to invasions. Bummer. But that's been a core mechanic of the game at least since DS1. And again - invasions are so heavily weighted against the Invader, that really the only solution if you can't beat one with help is to literally git gud. Or at the very least get over what is at worst a minor hiccup. Trust me, man. You will find old posts of mine in the DS1 thread whining about how awful invasions are and how "I'm just trying to play the game" and they are "ruining my fun". Until I started just treating it as just another challenge the game is throwing your way - because really - why is it any different? Because there's a human controlling it, as opposed to a really tough boss fight controlled by AI? So there you go - and invader is just a miniboss. Most invaders are not good players. You will find this out if you can solve your lag issue and actually engage a few. Sure you run into the latest tryhard meta build sometimes, but it's rare enough to not worry about it, and just having the gear doesn't mean the player is any good at using it.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:No they really don't.
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