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Lemming
Apr 21, 2008

KakerMix posted:

No I get it it's just such a weird fantasy to have when you can do whatever you want in VR, you know?

Maybe the fantasy is having enough arm strength to climb a tree

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Thor-Stryker
Nov 11, 2005

KakerMix posted:

No I get it it's just such a weird fantasy to have when you can do whatever you want in VR, you know?

It's also equally an equally weird fantasy to want to have sex with feet when you could have sex with a vagina, you know?

(Fetishes override primal urges for whatever reason.)

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Lemming posted:

Maybe the fantasy is having enough arm strength to climb a tree

Truly a distant fantasy for many VR nerds

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

orange juche posted:

Truly a distant fantasy for many VR nerds

Who do you think scoffs at the idea of room scale? Those that don't want to stand.

Fooz
Sep 26, 2010


http://www.roadtovr.com/oculus-research-demonstrate-groundbreaking-focal-surface-display/

On the way to solving focal/vergence disparity, at which point it's pretty much identical to real-world vision, pending fidelity. Apparently could be used for sans-glasses vision correction too. Plus it's published research with no patent.

Edit: paper is pretty interesting, seems like they think it's viable for a production HMD given custom hardware and better modulation algorithm performance. Currently FOV limited by purchaseable parts.

Fooz fucked around with this message at 00:30 on May 16, 2017

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

UploadVR is (allegedly) run by creeps.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



SwissCM posted:

UploadVR is (allegedly) run by creeps.

Whats that? A tech startup founded by two lonely nerds who don't know how to act around people is filled with creeps? You don't say!

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

I refuse to believe anyone actually used The gently caress Room, I think people probably just went in and made sex noises and left condom wrappers on the floor to maintain the illusion of sex. Like a horny ghost

Thor-Stryker
Nov 11, 2005
For those of you who don't know, Frat Boys are a large portion of coders in San Francisco now. This is par for the course of start-ups being lawless until they become more established.

Fooz
Sep 26, 2010


Coders? Those guys were two-bit bloggers.

Nalin
Sep 29, 2007

Hair Elf
In a move that shocks no one, ZeniMax is trying to sue Samsung over the GearVR now. They just barely got away with copyright infringement in the Oculus case, not sure what they are trying to do with this one.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



They use the oculus store, so Zenimax is going "REEEEEEE MY MONEY" in a case where copyright infringement is much less certain. Zenimax will have a much harder time with Samsung because Samsung and Apple have been duking it out since smartphones have been a thing, so their lawyers are quite well practiced.

orange juche fucked around with this message at 08:44 on May 16, 2017

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

KakerMix posted:

No I get it it's just such a weird fantasy to have when you can do whatever you want in VR, you know?

NTR is a pretty popular thing these days.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Truga posted:

NTR is a pretty popular thing these days.

I didnt know what that was until i googled it just now.

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy
We don't need some weeaboo abbreviation for cuck, cuck is already like the funniest word ever.

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Zero VGS posted:

We don't need some weeaboo abbreviation for cuck, cuck is already like the funniest word ever.

Most of the time when someone says cuck they lay all their cards on the table that says everything I need to know of what kind of person they are and it's about as funny as all your base. Usually.

iceaim
May 20, 2001

KakerMix posted:

Is that a base functionality in the game or did someone make a mod for it to allow you to tree climb and peep? If it's a mod at some point the person making it went 'ok ok it isn't funny anymore' but they kept going, tested for bugs, and play tested it. I just don't understand :psyduck:

Nah that's definitely a mod.

Speaking of VR porn; 3dxchat.com just released Oculus CV1 support and I am sure it'll work with the HTC Vive using Revive. It's like an MMO sex game that supports both monitors and VR headsets. No touch support unfortunately. It's either Xbox One controller or M+KB.

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

iceaim posted:



an MMO sex game

"UH I PLAY A GIRL CHARACTER BECAUSE IF I'M GOING TO LOOK AT A BUTT ALL GAME IT SHOULD BE A GIRLS" the game.

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

For those of you who play Soundboxing but haven't yet chimed in on the fancy new Soundboxing thread I've just instituted the Soundboxing Challenge of the Day.

The Walrus
Jul 9, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
Cosmic Trip left early access today.

I haven't played it in about a year, but even a year ago it was an extremely fun, insanely well polished RTS/tower defense sort of game. It's apparently been expanded into a full RTS 'defeat the enemy base mode' so even without having played the new update i can recommend wholeheartedly. I'll have some more to post on it after I've played some this evening though.

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008

The Walrus posted:

Cosmic Trip left early access today.

I haven't played it in about a year, but even a year ago it was an extremely fun, insanely well polished RTS/tower defense sort of game. It's apparently been expanded into a full RTS 'defeat the enemy base mode' so even without having played the new update i can recommend wholeheartedly. I'll have some more to post on it after I've played some this evening though.

That's good to hear, I'd argue that (at least when I got it) it was more of a tech demo without any clear objective and a pretty samey experience if you tried to play more than once. I'm glad it sounds like it's worth checking out again

The Walrus
Jul 9, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
yeah, that was my experience early on, it was a fun, well polished wave shooter but it needed content. They've apparently added an overhead view, new goals, expanded the map to 3x the size, so it definitely sounds worth picking up for 20 bucks. like I said though I'll post more details when I've actually played the update.

Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007




Fuck you say?
Holy poo poo Vivecraft is something else. Ignoring the fact they've gone the distance with giving you all the options you need to have a fun time in VR by giving you shitloads of options, being in a Minecraft world that's actually to scale gave me one of those "Holy poo poo, what" moments that makes VR so worth it.

I jumped on one of the servers me and my friends put hours into and exploring our town as though I was actually in it was something else. What a feeling.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

TEAM NVIDIA:
FORUM POLICE
I have a vive but my lighthouses are permanently installed in my living room. Should I get a second set of lighthouses for my desk (I don't have a very good angle to get a pair of lighthouses pointed at my face where I sit) or just get a Rift as a second set?

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

Songbearer posted:

Holy poo poo Vivecraft is something else. Ignoring the fact they've gone the distance with giving you all the options you need to have a fun time in VR by giving you shitloads of options, being in a Minecraft world that's actually to scale gave me one of those "Holy poo poo, what" moments that makes VR so worth it.

I jumped on one of the servers me and my friends put hours into and exploring our town as though I was actually in it was something else. What a feeling.

If the server is being run by someone you know you should ask them to add the server-side mod. It enables teleport movement and allows other Vivecraft players (or normal players with the Vivecraft nonVR extension) to see the motion tracking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDA8wZJhPwM
Warning: Annoying voices, but you can just mute it and get the point.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
What's all this then? https://www.vive.com/us/product/standalone/

Paul MaudDib posted:

I have a vive but my lighthouses are permanently installed in my living room. Should I get a second set of lighthouses for my desk (I don't have a very good angle to get a pair of lighthouses pointed at my face where I sit) or just get a Rift as a second set?

Get a single lighthouse for where you sit if you absolutely can't make it work otherwise and have it in A mode. That said, lighthouses have a huge field of view, so I really wonder what your room looks like that you can't get it to work at your desk? Is it in an entirely different room?

Truga fucked around with this message at 21:42 on May 17, 2017

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008
I think that was announced at the Google thing today, basically a Daydream capable headset that doesn't use a separate slotting in phone.

I don't really understand its purpose, just get the phone.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Yeah I don't know what Google is thinking, other than they don't want Microsoft or Facebook to leave them behind. Here's the actual announcement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztJIxxCwJaE

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Wow, partnering with HTC to build an inside out tracking standalone headset. Well there's your Vive V2. Shipping by end of year, supposedly, too.

By this time next year hopefully content will finally be caught up with the technology. Great news. I thought we had another year before inside out tracking went mainstream.

D1E
Nov 25, 2001


Hadlock posted:

Wow, partnering with HTC to build an inside out tracking standalone headset. Well there's your Vive V2. Shipping by end of year, supposedly, too.

By this time next year hopefully content will finally be caught up with the technology. Great news. I thought we had another year before inside out tracking went mainstream.

Uh, processing power built into a headset will never match a desktop CPU and GPU.

If they want to call that Vive V2 then the battle is over and Oculus won.

Fooz
Sep 26, 2010


So it's google software and a hardware spec that HTC and lonovo are taking cracks at? Nice, FB vs Google invest-a-thon is on hopefully. Will be interesting to see how their non-gamer/non-phone-novelty push will look like.

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

I haven't seen the video yet, does "WorldSense" mean inside out positional tracking?

Tbh a standalone HMD is a lot more appealing to me than a phone one, I don't really want to buy my phone around which one does VR best

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

homeless snail posted:

I haven't seen the video yet, does "WorldSense" mean inside out positional tracking?
Yes, inside-out tracking which they're also apparently using for indoor navigation on phones.

quote:

Tbh a standalone HMD is a lot more appealing to me than a phone one, I don't really want to buy my phone around which one does VR best
To me the advantage of the phone is that I'm already likely to be upgrading my phone every few years so the VR upgrade is effectively "free", and on top of that the things that are good for VR (high-res OLED display with a decent SoC) are also the things that I want in a phone.

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008
A contained device that is either completely standalone or you slot your phone into is the only way VR is going to break into the mainstream, and I think the inside-out tracking is definitely the way to do it so I'm glad to see that's picking up steam

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

D1E posted:

Uh, processing power built into a headset will never match a desktop CPU and GPU.

If they want to call that Vive V2 then the battle is over and Oculus won.

As far as I can tell, standalone VR headsets are going to be the new consoles of the future. PC gaming is better than console gaming, but consoles are a lot more accessible to most people and drive the pace and complexity of games. You can go higher res on a PC game, but the game mechanics, ai, etc are all tuned for the lowest common denominator, right now either an Xbox or PlayStation. Maybe soon with the switch that will become the new LCD as it already has build switches for unity and unreal.

If Google publishes their spec(s), then there should be pretty quickly a good set of tooling for cellphone grade VR games. Right now that exists for Daydream but I think there will be a lot more consumer interest once inside out tracking goes live.

I'm ok with low poly count VR to start, we're not far off from putting a Nvidia 1050-level GPU in these things, it's only a matter of time really. Give it a year or two.

Fooz
Sep 26, 2010


Nice to see two companies competing on the spec hardware too. It will probably be the fairest comparison yet if they end up with significant differences Lonovo is going for the halo-type, looks like.

^Consoles have way better software markets for most customers too. Though I do think future graphics fidelity is going to turn a lot of heads on the high end, if foveated rendering or whatever doesn't bridge that gap anyways.

Fooz fucked around with this message at 22:35 on May 17, 2017

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008
I wonder if they're gonna have controllers use the same technology, or if they'll only work in line of sight of the headset. I imagine the second one would be way cheaper

Either way I'm gonna get one

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

Lemming posted:

I wonder if they're gonna have controllers use the same technology, or if they'll only work in line of sight of the headset. I imagine the second one would be way cheaper

Either way I'm gonna get one
The HTC and Lenovo things both have Daydream controllers in their pics, just a kinda crappy untracked remote control with a gyro.

Stick100
Mar 18, 2003

homeless snail posted:

The HTC and Lenovo things both have Daydream controllers in their pics, just a kinda crappy untracked remote control with a gyro.

Which honestly pretty much just kills it for me. If they have only gyro tracking and one controller I don't really much advantage over daydream. At that point the only thing they have over daydream is positional on the headset, which is huge. But there are gigantic downsides from standalone like the fact that you'll have to replace the whole thing each time instead of just the phone. If they'd have announced adding positional tracking to daydream (either new phones needed or headset) that would have been awesome.

If someone could combine the standalone + MS tech 6 dof controllers then we'd really have something.

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Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Google has a system called Seurat which can optimize detailed scenes into something a mobile device can render:

https://uploadvr.com/googles-seurat-aims-bring-desktop-level-graphics-mobile-vr/

https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/18/15657138/google-io-2017-standalone-vr-headset-daydream-update


Some reports from people who tried a prototype device:

https://vrscout.com/news/google-worldsense-seurat-ilmxlab-vr/

https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/18/15656290/google-io-prototype-standalone-vr-headset-hands-on-htc-lenovo-qualcomm

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