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Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

you're supposed to set up an arp proxy or something but gently caress if I know how that works

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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

echinopsis posted:

i thought sd cards were effectiely usb internally but i guess not

sd cards are small and is a neat idea

i bought a real win10 install and it comes on a cool usb thing

so like, usually the SD card slot on a computer is in fact connected to the computer over USB. but since higher speed SD cards have only just started to become a thing, most SD card readers are still running on USB 2.0 speeds which are pretty slow, and most cheap SD cards are also themselves really slow

so most of the time, cheap sd cards in a normal reader end up being a lot slower than cheap usb 3.0 flash drives in the usb 3.0 port

burning swine
May 26, 2004



what I don't understand is why the presence of an SD card so thoroughly torpedoes the windows installer's ability to format an unrelated hard disk :pwn:

syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

what I don't understand is why the presence of an SD card so thoroughly torpedoes the windows installer's ability to format an unrelated hard disk :pwn:

it shouldn't

Lightbulb Out
Apr 28, 2006

slack jawed yokel

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

what I don't understand is why the presence of an SD card so thoroughly torpedoes the windows installer's ability to format an unrelated hard disk :pwn:

i have to install windows on all kinds of computers and this happens when raid controllers are installed, too. pull the raid controller, suddenly windows will install.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

what I don't understand is why the presence of an SD card so thoroughly torpedoes the windows installer's ability to format an unrelated hard disk :pwn:

because windows is poo poo

hifi
Jul 25, 2012

Luigi Thirty posted:

you're supposed to set up an arp proxy or something but gently caress if I know how that works

is there a guide for this somewhere that you are following? maybe you have to add routing rules

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Luigi Thirty posted:

you're supposed to set up an arp proxy or something but gently caress if I know how that works
idk if you're going to post in here or the grey forums lunix thread but if it can really do tcpip i'm not sure why you'd need arp proxy

like, on a real computer you would say that you have an ip address (192.168.1.222) and that ip address exists in a subnet (192.168.1.0/24) and that there is a gateway (192.168.1.221) that connects your computer (192.168.1.222) to the rest of the network (192.168.1.0/24) or to the world (0.0.0.0). since you're on an ancient device i don't know how much of that is actually happening or if anything's missing

anthonypants fucked around with this message at 17:28 on May 17, 2017

burning swine
May 26, 2004



Cocoa Crispies posted:

because windows is poo poo

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

anthonypants posted:

idk if you're going to post in here or the grey forums lunix thread but if it can really do tcpip i'm not sure why you'd need arp proxy

like, on a real computer you would say that you have an ip address (192.168.1.222) and that ip address exists in a subnet (192.168.1.0/24) and that there is a gateway (192.168.1.221) that connects your computer (192.168.1.222) to the rest of the network (192.168.1.0/24) or to the world (0.0.0.0). since you're on an ancient device i don't know how much of that is actually happening or if anything's missing

the SLIP link layer has no configuration beyond setting an IP and a DNS. it's point-to-point so all traffic is going to the Linux. the problem is the Linux isn't routing anything outside of its LAN. i had it working last night but screwed up the configuration somehow.

I can connect to the other end of the link and to 192.168.68.2, which is the IP of eth0. no traffic from the Apple II seems to be leaving 192.168.68.0. yes, I enabled IP forwarding in the kernel.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Luigi Thirty posted:

the SLIP link layer has no configuration beyond setting an IP and a DNS. it's point-to-point so all traffic is going to the Linux. the problem is the Linux isn't routing anything outside of its LAN. i had it working last night but screwed up the configuration somehow.

I can connect to the other end of the link and to 192.168.68.2, which is the IP of eth0. no traffic from the Apple II seems to be leaving 192.168.68.0. yes, I enabled IP forwarding in the kernel.
ok so what you're saying is that eth0 is the adapter on your linux box, with an ip of 192.168.68.2/24, and eth1 is the adapter on that same box with the address 192.168.1.221/xx? what's the ip/route configuration look like on your apple ii, is there a way to get that information somehow

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

anthonypants posted:

ok so what you're saying is that eth0 is the adapter on your linux box, with an ip of 192.168.68.2/24, and eth1 is the adapter on that same box with the address 192.168.1.221/xx? what's the ip/route configuration look like on your apple ii, is there a way to get that information somehow

I did a little reconfiguration while trying to get it to work so the IPs changed.

the connection is point to point. the apple II's IP is 192.168.22.4 and its gateway is 192.168.22.3. all traffic to one end will flow to the other end. i'm my own ISP, basically

here's my Linux ifconfig. ens33 is my vmware virtual adapter, sl0 is the SLIP connection. virbr0 has to do with vmware.

VMware's virtual LAN is 192.168.68.0. my LAN is 192.168.1.0. The Apple II can telnet to 192.168.68.160 and get a connection reset instead of a timeout so that's working.

pre:
ens33     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0c:29:b8:a0:c9  
          inet addr:192.168.68.160  Bcast:192.168.68.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          inet6 addr: fe80::a57e:e389:dc10:c3b0/64 Scope:Link
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:24403 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:11768 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
          RX bytes:30943474 (30.9 MB)  TX bytes:912687 (912.6 KB)

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback  
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:65536  Metric:1
          RX packets:939 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:939 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1 
          RX bytes:92235 (92.2 KB)  TX bytes:92235 (92.2 KB)

sl0       Link encap:Serial Line IP  
          inet addr:192.168.22.3  P-t-P:192.168.22.4  Mask:255.255.255.255
          UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:296  Metric:1
          RX packets:180 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:25 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:10 
          RX bytes:7800 (7.8 KB)  TX bytes:1176 (1.1 KB)

virbr0    Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00  
          inet addr:192.168.122.1  Bcast:192.168.122.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
          RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
and here's route:

pre:
Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
default         192.168.68.2    0.0.0.0         UG    100    0        0 ens33
link-local      *               255.255.0.0     U     1000   0        0 virbr0
192.168.22.0    *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 sl0
192.168.22.4    *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 sl0
192.168.22.4    *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 sl0
192.168.68.0    *               255.255.255.0   U     100    0        0 ens33
192.168.122.0   *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 virbr0

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

didn't read everything of that, but have you tried keeping those bridge/vm interfaces out of the way? do you need it for the slip setup?

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

I need them so vmware will connect to the internet lol

wireshark says when I traceroute to 192.168.22.4 the packets get routed over sl0 so that's good

when I telnet to 192.168.1.1, I get a bunch of ARP packets asking who has 192.168.22.4. so packets are reaching the LAN but the LAN doesn't know how to reach my Apple II

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

hmm, okay. i enabled ARP proxying in the kernel and now I can at least make DNS requests but the traffic from the internet to the Apple II gets clogged up on the Linux and endlessly retransmitted according to wireshark?

syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe
i thought i had problems with computers but wireshark for use in the home may indicate you've taken a wrong turn

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

problem solved: posted a WTB on amibay for an apple 2 ethernet card

hifi
Jul 25, 2012

maybe you need nat

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Luigi Thirty posted:

I did a little reconfiguration while trying to get it to work so the IPs changed.

the connection is point to point. the apple II's IP is 192.168.22.4 and its gateway is 192.168.22.3. all traffic to one end will flow to the other end. i'm my own ISP, basically

here's my Linux ifconfig. ens33 is my vmware virtual adapter, sl0 is the SLIP connection. virbr0 has to do with vmware.

VMware's virtual LAN is 192.168.68.0. my LAN is 192.168.1.0. The Apple II can telnet to 192.168.68.160 and get a connection reset instead of a timeout so that's working.

pre:
ens33     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0c:29:b8:a0:c9  
          inet addr:192.168.68.160  Bcast:192.168.68.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          inet6 addr: fe80::a57e:e389:dc10:c3b0/64 Scope:Link
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:24403 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:11768 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
          RX bytes:30943474 (30.9 MB)  TX bytes:912687 (912.6 KB)

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback  
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:65536  Metric:1
          RX packets:939 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:939 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1 
          RX bytes:92235 (92.2 KB)  TX bytes:92235 (92.2 KB)

sl0       Link encap:Serial Line IP  
          inet addr:192.168.22.3  P-t-P:192.168.22.4  Mask:255.255.255.255
          UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:296  Metric:1
          RX packets:180 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:25 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:10 
          RX bytes:7800 (7.8 KB)  TX bytes:1176 (1.1 KB)

virbr0    Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00  
          inet addr:192.168.122.1  Bcast:192.168.122.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
          RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
and here's route:

pre:
Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
default         192.168.68.2    0.0.0.0         UG    100    0        0 ens33
link-local      *               255.255.0.0     U     1000   0        0 virbr0
192.168.22.0    *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 sl0
192.168.22.4    *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 sl0
192.168.22.4    *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 sl0
192.168.68.0    *               255.255.255.0   U     100    0        0 ens33
192.168.122.0   *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 virbr0
what does the ip configuration look like on the apple ii, what does its routing table and its ip configuration look like

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

the Apple 2 has its IP configured as .22.4, there's no options for configuring routing or anything. it's using .22.3 as its gateway.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.



:wtc:

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
is there a way on macos to reset the network or something??

basically we watch poo poo off the (windows) network but I often have to restart osx to get it to see the network. restarting finder doesnt work..

its lame as gently caress

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Luigi Thirty posted:

the Apple 2 has its IP configured as .22.4, there's no options for configuring routing or anything. it's using .22.3 as its gateway.

so your expected route is:

.22.3 (IIgs) <-> [.22.4 (VMWare Linux) <R> .68.2 (VMWare Linux)] <R> .1.1 (your gateway) <R> Internet?

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Captain Foo posted:

so your expected route is:

.22.3 (IIgs) <-> [.22.4 (VMWare Linux) <R> .68.2 (VMWare Linux)] <R> .1.1 (your gateway) <R> Internet?

yeah.

obstipator
Nov 8, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
i just deleted like 50gb of docker containers and images but my mac freespace hasnt gone up

docker container ls -a. and docker image ls -a are both empty. how do i reclaim my freespace!!!! my df -h. is still at 97% full!!!!! :wth:!!

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'


ok, what does a traceroute from the iigs look like?

obstipator
Nov 8, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
i found a file on mac by Apple that was 66G and rm'd it. then i restarted docker and it was all fixed!!

was so satisfying l👀king @ the watch -d df -h as it went to 84% capacity

we did it !!

Corla Plankun
May 8, 2007

improve the lives of everyone

obstipator posted:

i just deleted like 50gb of docker containers and images but my mac freespace hasnt gone up

docker container ls -a. and docker image ls -a are both empty. how do i reclaim my freespace!!!! my df -h. is still at 97% full!!!!! :wth:!!

maybe you had a bunch of volumes sitting around? i use portainer to deal with docker bullshit and its pretty obvious what the problem is when you're looking at the gui

A Pinball Wizard
Mar 23, 2005

I know every trick, no freak's gonna beat my hands

College Slice
docker? i barely knew er!

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
I still don't understand what docker does or what imaginary problem it solves

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Silver Alicorn posted:

I still don't understand what docker does or what imaginary problem it solves

it's a rest API to configure a bunch of linux features around chroots / namespacing

it makes it very easy to set up an enhanced chroot that namespaces a number of kernel resources

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
where is a good place to go if i have questions about networking? questions range from remedial ("what the hell is a 'trunk'") to, idk, intermediate? ("on our asas what is a 'crypto map' and when do they need to be updated and why and how")

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Jun 17, 2015

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Fun Shoe

anthonypants posted:

where is a good place to go if i have questions about networking? questions range from remedial ("what the hell is a 'trunk'") to, idk, intermediate? ("on our asas what is a 'crypto map' and when do they need to be updated and why and how")

same

my networking skills are shameful, and i should probably get good

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

anthonypants posted:

where is a good place to go if i have questions about networking? questions range from remedial ("what the hell is a 'trunk'") to, idk, intermediate? ("on our asas what is a 'crypto map' and when do they need to be updated and why and how")

google/testing in your production environment

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
get a ccna or network+ textbook

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Shaggar posted:

google/testing in your production environment

lol

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Silver Alicorn posted:

get a ccna or network+ textbook

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

Silver Alicorn posted:

I still don't understand what docker does or what imaginary problem it solves

namespaces but for networks

and i guess other system resources

Poopernickel
Oct 28, 2005

electricity bad
Fun Shoe
where do people go for ~*FiLeZ*~ these days? i've been out of the scene for a while but there's an out-of-print TV show i want to find

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Perplx
Jun 26, 2004


Best viewed on Orgasma Plasma
Lipstick Apathy

Poopernickel posted:

where do people go for ~*FiLeZ*~ these days? i've been out of the scene for a while but there's an out-of-print TV show i want to find

thepiratebay

still up after 13 years somehow

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