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Phenotype posted:This was great, he just ran in, kept the bad side of his face away from the team for like 3 seconds, and is immediately told where Iris is. I imagine he planned to zoom in and torture them all into giving up Iris or something, and was kinda disappointed he got it so easily. Yes, the writers are not capable of writing themselves out of a paper bag.
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Show is extremely terrible, but drat if the scenes with Joe singing and Iris's vows didn't get me a little teary.
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May 17, 2017 16:26
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Savitar plot line is still trash, but Snart picking the lint off Barry's costume while telling him the Flash needs to be pure was 
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May 17, 2017 18:20
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ruddiger posted:Savitar plot line is still trash, but Snart picking the lint off Barry's costume while telling him the Flash needs to be pure was I swear they letMiller write his own lines. Everything he said in that episode was a cut above everything else.
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May 17, 2017 18:28
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Phenotype posted:This was great, he just ran in, kept the bad side of his face away from the team for like 3 seconds, and is immediately told where Iris is. I imagine he planned to zoom in and torture them all into giving up Iris or something, and was kinda disappointed he got it so easily. Hold up. Considering all the illogical poo poo that happens on this show, your major concern is why HR did a dumb thing? It's because he's dumb! The show has clearly been establishing ever since HR showed up that he is a largely useless, overly gregarious moron, and that scene was the payoff. Anyway. I hope that next episode HR ends up saving the day and that his plan isn't objectively terrible like trying to switch places with Iris while the two (one?) fastest people (person?) alive fight each other. Edit: Also, how would that solve anything? Savitar has Barry's memories. As soon as Barry finds out that Iris is still alive, no matter how far in the future, Savitar would immediately find out in the present and kill Iris to make sure he still gets to exist. teamcharlie fucked around with this message at 18:56 on May 17, 2017 |
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May 17, 2017 18:51
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teamcharlie posted:Hold up. Considering all the illogical poo poo that happens on this show, your major concern is why HR did a dumb thing? It's because he's dumb! The show has clearly been establishing ever since HR showed up that he is a largely useless, overly gregarious moron, and that scene was the payoff. Hah, my issue is not that HR did something dumb because he's dumb, my read of that scene was that no one seemed to think it was important to hide Iris from Barry himself. Like, if Savitar had put on some makeup and actually pretended to be Barry for ten minutes, everyone in the room would be happy to discuss Iris' whereabouts with him, not just HR -- the musical stinger only happens when you see the burned side of Savitar's face. Except that they've already acknowledged that Savitar knows everything Barry knows, so keeping it secret from him is just as important as keeping it from Savitar. But as was pointed out, this is just another example of the writers not being able to go five minutes without forgetting the rules they've established. e: thinking about it, I think that scene would have been better if Savitar hadn't showed up at all to "trick" them. Barry zooms in, HR says "Blah blah, Iris is safely in Earth 2 with Wells", and then everyone gets really grave when they realize oh gently caress, you just told Barry, and now Savitar is almost certainly on his way there. Phenotype fucked around with this message at 19:08 on May 17, 2017 |
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May 17, 2017 19:03
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ruddiger posted:Savitar plot line is still trash, but Snart picking the lint off Barry's costume while telling him the Flash needs to be pure was It was weird seeing Barry so ready to kill without giving it a second thought... but then I remembered that this King Shark is from Earth-2, so it immediately made sense.
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May 17, 2017 19:24
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Krad posted:It was weird seeing Barry so ready to kill without giving it a second thought... but then I remembered that this King Shark is from Earth-2, so it immediately made sense. Oh yeah, to be fair to the writers, this part loving killed me. "It feels like we're in Jaws." "How's that?" "They barely show us the shark because they couldn't afford to make it look good."
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Phenotype posted:e: thinking about it, I think that scene would have been better if Savitar hadn't showed up at all to "trick" them. Barry zooms in, HR says "Blah blah, Iris is safely in Earth 2 with Wells", and then everyone gets really grave when they realize oh gently caress, you just told Barry, and now Savitar is almost certainly on his way there. Never underestimate the stupidity of the audience and their need to have things shown to them in the most basic way possible. Plus having Savitar get the information himself was a nice troll move on his part.
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Sudden Loud Noise posted:Why didn't they just put Iris in the Argus facility that gets rid of metahuman abilities? I bet Savitar's deus ex machina armor suit would've beaten it, but it would've been cool to see anyway. Now that we know King Shark can regenerate that fight would've been some Mortal Kombat poo poo.
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Blackchamber posted:Because the metahuman dampening is extremely selective, for instance it apparently didn't stop King Shark from growing his hand back... It blocks metahumans, not metasharks. That's just you being specist.
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May 17, 2017 19:50
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I feel like as a thread that really goes in on Barry's constant bad decisions we didn't give enough love to Lyla basically saying "My job is to keep dangerous things out of the wrong hands and you're the wrong hands." Like, that was Legends' "they're idiots" level.
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May 17, 2017 19:52
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STAC Goat posted:I feel like as a thread that really goes in on Barry's constant bad decisions we didn't give enough love to Lyla basically saying "My job is to keep dangerous things out of the wrong hands and you're the wrong hands." On Arrow they spent an entire episode making her out to be the new Amanda Waller and how absolute power corrupts, it's tearing her family apart, etc. and the moral ambiguity of dealing with the lesser of two evils for the greater good. On Flash it takes less than two minutes to unequivocally establish her as the most definitive authority on responsible use of extraordinary abilities and resources the show has ever seen.
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Yeah, it makes perfect sense to me that when dealing with Team Arrow Lyla's got to deal with a complicated web of morality and pragmatism from a bunch of people who know a lot about vigilante killing and moral lines. While when dealing with Team Flash she just has to be the adult in the room and keep the reckless children away from the dangerous toys.
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Phenotype posted:This was great, he just ran in, kept the bad side of his face away from the team for like 3 seconds, and is immediately told where Iris is. I imagine he planned to zoom in and torture them all into giving up Iris or something, and was kinda disappointed he got it so easily. They are idiots, duh. (See also telling Barry about speed force bazooka...)
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May 17, 2017 20:52
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I still love the actors but the writing is now beyond pants on head stupid for me. And I'll tolerate a lot of bad writing when it comes to shows I watch regularly. gently caress, I admitted to liking Iron Fist. Iron Fist.
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May 17, 2017 22:06
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Also since they were hiding Iris on Earth-2, why didn't they at least have her go somewhere else on that planet instead of having her stay in the exact same room where the portal entry was. Have her go somewhere else in that building other than that room, AT LEAST
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May 17, 2017 22:52
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While I completely agree that strategically they were dumb not to have like Joe take her one place, Wally to another, and Wells to another so that Savitar would have to get through like 4 degrees of secrets to find her... its all kind of a silly thing since unless the plan was to hide her away forever and never see Barry again then all it was was delaying the moment of truth. Its not like Savitar was a fairy godmother who lost his powers at 12:04.
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May 17, 2017 22:56
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STAC Goat posted:While I completely agree that strategically they were dumb not to have like Joe take her one place, Wally to another, and Wells to another so that Savitar would have to get through like 4 degrees of secrets to find her... its all kind of a silly thing since unless the plan was to hide her away forever and never see Barry again then all it was was delaying the moment of truth. But if Savitar didn't kill Iris, then Barry wouldn't create time remnants to try to take him down, so Savitar wouldn't exist. And that would be kind of a neat thing to do, Iris traveling through dimensions, trying to stay one step ahead of Savitar, Savitar racing to catch her to try to kill her before the timeline is changed so much that he stops existing. That would've been a fun episode.
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May 17, 2017 23:07
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But like wouldn't they have to keep Iris away from Barry away forever or else Savitar would remember and.... gently caress, I DON'T UNDERSTAND TIME TRAVEL!
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May 17, 2017 23:09
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Put her on a bus to Patty/Lindatown
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May 17, 2017 23:11
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No Butt Stuff posted:Cool that Savitar keeps an extra old flash costume around. Crawled right out of the speedforce with his suitcase packed, it appears. Barry's suit is made out of speedforce now.
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May 17, 2017 23:15
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Rhyno posted:Barry's suit is made out of speedforce now. That must mean Savitar's armor is made out CALCIFIED SPEEDFORCE!
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I got really annoyed that they mixed up how warm-blooded and cold-blooded works. Mind you, I haven't trusted this show on getting rudimentary science since "ultra-violet cold signatures" so...
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May 18, 2017 00:51
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So the philosopher's stone is... a speed force kidney stone? Ouch.
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May 18, 2017 01:05
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"Barry you gotta stop using time travel to solve your problems" *Barry immediately uses time travel to solve a problem*
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May 18, 2017 02:53
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As soon as Lyla mentioned the speedforce cancelling macguffin Barry should have asked if Iris could camp out in their building for awhile.
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May 18, 2017 04:29
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Well at least they tried to give lip service to the rest of the Arrowverse with Felicity's "can't help lol" text.
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May 18, 2017 04:40
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One good thing about all this: I am legitimately looking forward to how they're going to resolve this clusterfuck. It's going to be grandiosely moronic and I will probably laugh myself stupid(er). After that it may be time to rethink my TV priorities.
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Chokes McGee posted:One good thing about all this: I am legitimately looking forward to how they're going to resolve this clusterfuck. It's going to be grandiosely moronic and I will probably laugh myself stupid(er). Savitar: BARRY! I WILL REVIVE YOUR DEAD FIANCEE IF YOU BEAT ME...IN A RACE! *Savitar then creates an F-Zero-esque racetrack*
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ApeHawk posted:Savitar: BARRY! I WILL REVIVE YOUR DEAD FIANCEE IF YOU BEAT ME...IN A RACE! NOW BARRY... SHOW ME YOUR MOVES!!
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May 18, 2017 05:57
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Yeah even assuming this was the I'm not yet ready to call this episode terrible cause there's a pretty easy out in that if Barry manages to beat Savitar without going full evil like they've hinted all season, then Savitar will never exist to kill Iris and everything will paradox itself back to the status quo. Or Barry will speedforce himself to stop Savitar and season 4 gets to be the Kid Flash show.
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Chokes McGee posted:gently caress, I admitted to liking Iron Fist. Iron Fist.
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Dude, you should get that looked at or something
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Chokes McGee posted:gently caress, I admitted to liking Iron Fist. Iron Fist. Over time you will come to accept your condition for what is, you might even find peace in living with it. However the same can't be said for your loved ones. 
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May 18, 2017 08:53
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Iris isn't Iris it's someone else, why else bring up the facial transmogrifier?
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May 18, 2017 09:41
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My bet is it's the kooky scientist lady as her and HG are too happy and adorable together. Drama!
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May 18, 2017 09:46
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It's Jesse because otherwise she couldn't even bother to show up when Iris was about to die.
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May 18, 2017 09:49
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It's gonna be HR somehow cuz he looked at the savitar spike after making a big speech about what his purpose is.
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Using the face hologram is really just a delaying tactic, right? Unless they mean to immediately spirit Iris away from Barry into meta-witsec forever so Savitar never learns that she didn't actually die and render the deception meaningless, which would also have the effect of making Barry turn into mopey douchelord Barry in the crapsack future and let Savitar happen anyway...
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