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Gologle
Apr 15, 2013

The Gologle Posting Experience.

<3
Every single time I forget The After Years exists, it feels like Mega64 exists for the sole purpose of reminding me.

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Dross
Sep 26, 2006

Every night he puts his hot dogs in the trees so the pigeons can't get them.

Sakurazuka posted:

It's literally the DS version with TAY done in the same style as well.

Please play the PSP version. A PSTV and the game can be had for like $30 total.

Ventana
Mar 28, 2010

*Yosh intensifies*
Graphics are definitely the most important part of a Final Fantasy game, I've come to learn.


Mega64 posted:


I generally recommend PSP if you haven't played the original before and Steam if you have, but you won't lose too much just jumping straight to the Steam version either.

The only thing you should know in advance for FF4 3D is to make sure every party member has at least 2 augments on (even if they're filler) to avoid the missable augments, and put 3 between the twins. They aren't required but one in particular makes life a lot easier if it's your first time through, cause it might get a little tough in spots with no prior knowledge.

Bean
Sep 9, 2001
Music chat: what are your favorite remixes? I've gone looking for some FF remixes on YouTube and usually come up with super generic stuff.

Dross
Sep 26, 2006

Every night he puts his hot dogs in the trees so the pigeons can't get them.

Ventana posted:

Graphics are definitely the most important part of a Final Fantasy game, I've come to learn.

I don't consider the 3D version to be superior in any other way either.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Unironically:

I think the improved graphics in the PSP port of TAY miss the point and lose some cool things. The original TAY is done in the style of FF6 (up to and including seemingly recycling some sprites) which both keeps it feeling SNES and also allows them to do some amusing things. (Any flashback in the game is done in the FF4 style for example.) The new graphics are clean and nice but are less nostalgic which is like the one thing TAY really has going for it.

If you only have one choice it's better than the 3D version naturally.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.

Gologle posted:

Every single time I forget The After Years exists, it feels like Mega64 exists for the sole purpose of reminding me.

hosed up if true.

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

Huh!?

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Mega64 posted:

hosed up if true.

what the fu-i just remembered TAY exists

gently caress you mega69

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Bean posted:

Music chat: what are your favorite remixes? I've gone looking for some FF remixes on YouTube and usually come up with super generic stuff.

Most people probably know her stuff but it's still really good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmbgCBZ86z4


https://youtu.be/vpfe1BkP2HA
When I was playing playing FFVII with mods a few years back, I had a music change mod on there that put various selections from all sorts of different sources in the game. When I fought Zack (you need to fight him for Omnislash) and this song was used for it, I had to go out and find it. I like it more than the original. It was a pretty memorable fight too so that probably helped.

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005

Bean posted:

Music chat: what are your favorite remixes? I've gone looking for some FF remixes on YouTube and usually come up with super generic stuff.

This four-part FFVI cover has to be heard to be believed - https://youtu.be/VKWAb-DSpG4

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

kirbysuperstar posted:

He did great work for Parasite Eve.
i mean, it's pretty hard to gently caress up "nypd uniform"

Bean posted:

Music chat: what are your favorite remixes? I've gone looking for some FF remixes on YouTube and usually come up with super generic stuff.
anything by the oneups
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGSmW_EGcss

DoubleCakes
Jan 14, 2015

I'm playing FF4TAY and enjoying it, but it wore out its welcome a bit by the time I got to Edge's Chapter. I like the idea of revisiting places from the first game and seeing what it's like after two decades and I like to explore new places that might as well have been in the first game's world but weren't part of the game because they weren't plot important, but there isn't a lot of either of that.

Regardless, I've played all the way to the final dungeon and I think it's really cool that the game hands you a couple dozen characters and lets you choose which party ya wanna take (I took Edge, Luca, Rydia, Golbez, and Porom because I spent the whole prelude of the final chapter with them). I can see why the devs put in Challenge Dungeons because many heroes are dwindling at Level 20 when the dungeon is acting Level 40. Let's just say Porom took awhile before she stopped getting crushed in one hit.

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


Die Sexmonster! posted:

This four-part FFVI cover has to be heard to be believed - https://youtu.be/VKWAb-DSpG4

You WON'T BELIEVE what happens at 3:12 - Buzzfeed

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005

Josuke Higashikata posted:

You WON'T BELIEVE what happens at 3:12 - Buzzfeed

Yeah, I know I wrote that kinda clickbaity, my dungeon queue in FFXIV had just popped. :v: It's seriously great though, especially if you're into prog rock.

Part 4 has a deconstruction of the battle theme that still blows me away, if you listen to nothing else at least pull that up! But really, if you appreciate VI's soundtrack at all, the whole thing deserves your time.

Die Sexmonster! fucked around with this message at 18:38 on May 15, 2017

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon

The White Dragon posted:

i mean, it's pretty hard to gently caress up "nypd uniform"

I'm pretty sure that post-FF8 "incurable and I can do anything I want, including spinning my wheels on a game for 5+ years before moping out and handing it to someone else to finish and then be given the responsibility of making the most fan-anticipated game in the company" Nomura would find a way to turn that uniform into something in between his weird Batman design and the main dude from Bouncer.

Like that almost sounds like a challenge to Nomura up a police uniform.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Hey, this is kind of dumb, but would anyone who owns WoFF for PS4 mind helping me out? I got the bug to collect every mirage and I'm literally only missing one - Maduin. Only way to get it is to get an essentially perfect run on that idiotic Minesweeper-type minigame; I've spent a couple hours on it so far and it's really dumb. Anybody have one they could trade me? I don't care about trading it back right away, just need it for the log.

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

Maybe Senpai will finally notice me now that I've dropped :fivebux: on this snazzy av
So, the new theme song for the FFXIV expansion came out. It's composed by Nobuo and it's ... just ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmQm76wFfKk

e: the instrumental is ok, it's the vocals that bug me

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

Maybe Senpai will finally notice me now that I've dropped :fivebux: on this snazzy av

Die Sexmonster! posted:

Yeah, I know I wrote that kinda clickbaity, my dungeon queue in FFXIV had just popped. :v: It's seriously great though, especially if you're into prog rock.

Part 4 has a deconstruction of the battle theme that still blows me away, if you listen to nothing else at least pull that up! But really, if you appreciate VI's soundtrack at all, the whole thing deserves your time.

lovely description aside, there's actually some fun mixes in there.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!
I'm surprised to hear how lukewarm everyone is about Revolutions. It's probably my favorite theme so far, it has an appreciated optimism to it.

Gologle
Apr 15, 2013

The Gologle Posting Experience.

<3
That's the problem. You don't play FFXIV for the optimism, you play it for the subtle grimness and horribleness lurking just under the surface of Eorzea. This isn't Hajime no Ippo.

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

Maybe Senpai will finally notice me now that I've dropped :fivebux: on this snazzy av

Countblanc posted:

I'm surprised to hear how lukewarm everyone is about Revolutions. It's probably my favorite theme so far, it has an appreciated optimism to it.

I just don't like the way the vocals [fail to] mesh with the music. The music is ok if somewhat blandish orchestral music.

Maybe that's the problem - Nobuo was forced to compose a song that fits structurally with all the crap they've been pumping out for XIV for the last 5 years where he's always been more experimental stylistically.

Gologle
Apr 15, 2013

The Gologle Posting Experience.

<3
The first thing that pops into normies heads when they think FFXIV is the disaster of the first version and how that version literally gets nuked by Bahamut. Happiness just does not fit with FFXIV's image.

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

Maybe Senpai will finally notice me now that I've dropped :fivebux: on this snazzy av

Gologle posted:

The first thing that pops into normies heads when they think FFXIV is the disaster of the first version and how that version literally gets nuked by Bahamut. Happiness just does not fit with FFXIV's image.

Yes that's totally it and not just that I dislike the composition of that song in particular :rolleyes:

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Gologle posted:

That's the problem. You don't play FFXIV for the optimism, you play it for the subtle grimness and horribleness lurking just under the surface of Eorzea. This isn't Hajime no Ippo.

I want you to know Gologle that I appreciate the joke here.

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

Maybe Senpai will finally notice me now that I've dropped :fivebux: on this snazzy av

ImpAtom posted:

I want you to know Gologle that I appreciate the joke here.

Please explain to those of us who don't, I assumed it was normal Gologle brain salad

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Kalenn Istarion posted:

Please explain to those of us who don't, I assumed it was normal Gologle brain salad

Hajime no Ippo is a series about boxing which is largely positive but has subtle grimness lurking beneath the surface. Last I check in on the protagonist suffered brain damage from too many blows to the head.

Epi Lepi
Oct 29, 2009

You can hear the voice
Telling you to Love
It's the voice of MK Ultra
And you're doing what it wants

Bean posted:

Music chat: what are your favorite remixes? I've gone looking for some FF remixes on YouTube and usually come up with super generic stuff.

I've downloaded a ton of stuff form OCRemixes over the years for VII, VIII and X. It's more involved than queuing up a youtube playlist but there are some gems on that site.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Countblanc posted:

I'm surprised to hear how lukewarm everyone is about Revolutions. It's probably my favorite theme so far, it has an appreciated optimism to it.

It's a really good song, but most of the problem is that it's overshadowed by Answers and Dragonsong, which were both loving amazing songs.

It reminds me of Terra's theme a lot.

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

kirbysuperstar posted:

He did great work for Parasite Eve.

Nomura is fine if allowed to design within a basically contemporary/modern setting. The World Ends With You is another example of his art actually feeling very natural and daresay expressive; it's the only time I've felt like his artistic signature enhanced the game, whereas most of the time his art direction seemed actively detrimental.

FFVII and FFVIII succeed by and large because his character designs are relatively constrained due to technology and also because they had really great environmental artists who were able to make settings that suited the characters. Squall and Co look totally at home running around Balamb or Deling City; Cloud's sprite is quite simple and is colored purple and gold to help him stand out in often visually busy environments.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



So I didn't see any other posts on this
Potentially more PS1 FF remakes to come.

It's not all that likely but it's something to think about.

Naturally people are going to be jumping towards "remake FFIX." But, and hear me out, I'd probably prefer an FVIII remake. I use the same sort of logic for the various mods I play. It makes sense that VII is getting a remake and has a ton of mods because it is a good game.But by its very nature of being a good game, it is in less need of help than its successor. IX is even better off than VII as it hasn't quite aged so terribly in terms of graphics and I still had fun with the battle system.

Basically, do the potential pros outweigh the potential cons, or if it ain't broke, don't fix it. There's no real way you could screw up an FFVIII remake. You can only go upward and improve things.

IX was not a perfect game by any means but you could still screw a lot of things up.

morallyobjected
Nov 3, 2012

NikkolasKing posted:

So I didn't see any other posts on this
Potentially more PS1 FF remakes to come.

It's not all that likely but it's something to think about.

Naturally people are going to be jumping towards "remake FFIX." But, and hear me out, I'd probably prefer an FVIII remake. I use the same sort of logic for the various mods I play. It makes sense that VII is getting a remake and has a ton of mods because it is a good game.But by its very nature of being a good game, it is in less need of help than its successor. IX is even better off than VII as it hasn't quite aged so terribly in terms of graphics and I still had fun with the battle system.

Basically, do the potential pros outweigh the potential cons, or if it ain't broke, don't fix it. There's no real way you could screw up an FFVIII remake. You can only go upward and improve things.

Remake FFVIII in the style of Type-0. You have a giant class of SeeDs and a bunch of missions to complete, all while deciding which specialists you want to take with you for each one. Explore Balamb GARDEN between missions, take some classes, rest up, and swap out your junctions. Call in a GF if you're getting your rear end handed to you.

Cinnamon Bear posted:

I've got Aranea as a temporary party member now, and I'm going to miss her when Gladiolus eventually comes back.

you and everyone else, friend.

morallyobjected fucked around with this message at 07:18 on May 18, 2017

Cinnamon Bear
Aug 29, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
I'm continuing to play XV, and admittedly still not super far along in the story. I was really starting to feel like things were dragging for a while, but then the Aranea boss fight was fun and got my attention back despite being pretty easy. Then cruising after that and deciding to pull up to a dungeon with its own parking lot for a brief hike was so dumb and hilarious I couldn't help but love it. Thats kind of how I'm feeling about the game as a whole. It's not good, its actively dumb, but it somehow manages to be entertaining/endearing in spite of all the issues. It feels so close to being good but just not quite getting there. I've got Aranea as a temporary party member now, and I'm going to miss her when Gladiolus eventually comes back.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

morallyobjected posted:

Remake FFVIII in the style of Type-0. You have a giant class of SeeDs and a bunch of missions to complete, all while deciding which specialists you want to take with you for each one. Explore Balamb GARDEN between missions, take some classes, rest up, and swap out your junctions. Call in a GF if you're getting your rear end handed to you.

and if someone dies, everyone forgets them, and squall is also just a character, like the entire story of ff8 is happening but you can ignore all that poo poo and just go on seed missions

however nobody ever remembers squall because hes dead inside

morallyobjected
Nov 3, 2012

The White Dragon posted:

and if someone dies, everyone forgets them, and squall is also just a character, like the entire story of ff8 is happening but you can ignore all that poo poo and just go on seed missions

however nobody ever remembers squall because hes dead inside

on the plus side, no one will talk about him in the past tense.

honestly, though, I'd play (and most likely enjoy) FFVIII Type-0, as long as they incorporated the original location design. I know Type-0 was a Vita game originally, but those towns got so same-y if you stayed in one region.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

morallyobjected posted:

on the plus side, no one will talk about him in the past tense.

honestly, though, I'd play (and most likely enjoy) FFVIII Type-0, as long as they incorporated the original location design. I know Type-0 was a Vita game originally, but those towns got so same-y if you stayed in one region.

psp even

Selenephos
Jul 9, 2010

NikkolasKing posted:

So I didn't see any other posts on this
Potentially more PS1 FF remakes to come.

It's not all that likely but it's something to think about.

Naturally people are going to be jumping towards "remake FFIX." But, and hear me out, I'd probably prefer an FVIII remake. I use the same sort of logic for the various mods I play. It makes sense that VII is getting a remake and has a ton of mods because it is a good game.But by its very nature of being a good game, it is in less need of help than its successor. IX is even better off than VII as it hasn't quite aged so terribly in terms of graphics and I still had fun with the battle system.

Basically, do the potential pros outweigh the potential cons, or if it ain't broke, don't fix it. There's no real way you could screw up an FFVIII remake. You can only go upward and improve things.

IX was not a perfect game by any means but you could still screw a lot of things up.

I'd actually be okay with a Final Fantasy VIII remake. I always felt that the game had 3 or 4 different good ideas for its plot, which got smashed together and became totally incoherent. You had the horror of a world where child soldiers are necessary and they're more or less being groomed to fight other peoples wars, you have Laguna's story, you have a story about childhood friends who have largely forgotten each other and moved on, with attempts to rekindle old friendships, you have a story about an anti-social introvert who learns to come out of his shell, you have a story about a victim of persecution falling into a self-fulfilling prophecy cycle by becoming the very thing others always feared she would be.

These are all actually really great ideas individually. But combined as they are, VIII just does not work at all. At least not with the screentime devoted to each plot beat.

On the flip side, the only thing I'd really want from an IX remake is a faster battle system and for characters like Amarant and Freya to have more plot importance and thematic relevance to the game; since Freya in particular feels like she's missing a resolution to her arc.

Attitude Indicator
Apr 3, 2009

i don't know if remaking FF8 into a different kind of terrible game will solve anything

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Mr. Fortitude posted:

I'd actually be okay with a Final Fantasy VIII remake. I always felt that the game had 3 or 4 different good ideas for its plot, which got smashed together and became totally incoherent. You had the horror of a world where child soldiers are necessary and they're more or less being groomed to fight other peoples wars, you have Laguna's story, you have a story about childhood friends who have largely forgotten each other and moved on, with attempts to rekindle old friendships, you have a story about an anti-social introvert who learns to come out of his shell, you have a story about a victim of persecution falling into a self-fulfilling prophecy cycle by becoming the very thing others always feared she would be.

These are all actually really great ideas individually. But combined as they are, VIII just does not work at all. At least not with the screentime devoted to each plot beat.

On the flip side, the only thing I'd really want from an IX remake is a faster battle system and for characters like Amarant and Freya to have more plot importance and thematic relevance to the game; since Freya in particular feels like she's missing a resolution to her arc.

I agree with all of this. Maybe also eliminate Necron entirely or actually have him make sense and be explained.

Also for FFVIII, playable Seifer in the endgame. Actually let him redeem himself by fighting Ultimecia.

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morallyobjected
Nov 3, 2012

NikkolasKing posted:

I agree with all of this. Maybe also eliminate Necron entirely or actually have him make sense and be explained.

Also for FFVIII, playable Seifer in the endgame. Actually let him redeem himself by fighting Ultimecia.

Necron is explained. he's explained right before you fight him, so maybe what you want is for him to be mentioned at some point before then

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