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yeah the trick of Hanamura is to just push lanes until you have two payloads on the map, then just push one and keep pushing lanes until you have two up again. Moving them as they spawn is actively bad for you in terms of winning I've found. Part of why the map sucks. The other part is the camps are really terribly balanced.
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Rygar201 posted:Sounds cool. I don't understand how Push to the Core would lead to ignoring PvP unless the enemy is determined to lose or something though In practice it works counter to what every HotS monkeybrain understands about completing objectives in that you want to ignore or delay moving the payload until after you take a tower. It's also very difficult to organize a bunch of randoms to defend against a coordinated team that knows what they're doing and has selected dedicated pushers like Azmo or Nazeebo.
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May 18, 2017 16:21
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exquisite tea posted:You can surprise a squishy caster with no escape like Jaina or Chromie but it's not really something you should be doing since she most excels at breaking up groups. Her level 20 evolution to Bunny Hop puts out a pretty scary amount of damage to heroes and structures. I think I read that someone found that nitrous was almost the same as the short cooldown talent in terms of total distance traveled or something along those lines. I might be mistaken, though.
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May 18, 2017 16:22
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chumbler posted:I think I read that someone found that nitrous was almost the same as the short cooldown talent in terms of total distance traveled or something along those lines. I might be mistaken, though.
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May 18, 2017 16:23
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Here's how you do a payload map in a HotS that doesn't loving suck: 1) put a single payload on the map; 2) make both teams fight over it; 3) put in a mechanic that prevents the game from stalemating forever, such as "every time the payload hits a checkpoint, a shot is fired at the core" (with some kind of grace period so you can't just walk the payload back and forth over one checkpoint very quickly). 4) make it so that if you escort the payload to the end you do a large amount of core damage, so that the game doesn't drag on forever if one team is getting stomped.
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May 18, 2017 17:04
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Been playing a ton of Murky today. Man is that little dude fun as hell. I Murk, I die, I Murk again! 
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May 18, 2017 17:13
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Lemon-Lime posted:Here's how you do a payload map in a HotS that doesn't loving suck: yeah I really don't know what possessed them to try and do a payload map in the most complicated fashion possible
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May 18, 2017 17:23
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The brawl version was really nice. Just one payload. No cores or extra lanes. Perfect.
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May 18, 2017 17:29
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New Alarak feels awkward.  I used to be really good with the old one, but nowadays I'm finding it hard to combo people... maybe people are getting better at avoiding?Also, I feel like the lvl 1 lightning quest talent is a trap I did get my first ever hate whisper with him, tho... which was a plus.
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May 18, 2017 17:31
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Semper Fudge posted:yeah I really don't know what possessed them to try and do a payload map in the most complicated fashion possible To make Nova viable on one map.
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May 18, 2017 17:35
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Well, tried Zagara for the first time in ages. Baneling drop gets *nasty* with the quest. Does Infest boost siege mercs and spider queen and such too? Sometimes it's unclear whether "minions" means minions-minions.
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Bruceski posted:Well, tried Zagara for the first time in ages. Baneling drop gets *nasty* with the quest. Does Infest boost siege mercs and spider queen and such too? Sometimes it's unclear whether "minions" means minions-minions. Minions mean just the lane creeps. Mercs will specifically say mercs, nothing boosts objective stuff like Spider Queens or Punishers.
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May 18, 2017 17:38
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bamhand posted:Minions mean just the lane creeps. Mercs will specifically say mercs, nothing boosts objective stuff like Spider Queens or Punishers. Fair enough. I knew Blizz works to tighten their language (and has distinguished in the past) but I've been playing video games for too long to just assume something means what I think it means.
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May 18, 2017 17:39
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bamhand posted:Minions mean just the lane creeps. Mercs will specifically say mercs, nothing boosts objective stuff like Spider Queens or Punishers. Those are Monsters, some Sylvanus stuff hurts them more but that's what she's for.
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wiegieman posted:Those are Monsters, some Sylvanus stuff hurts them more but that's what she's for. Oh I meant nothing boosts the damage they deal. Sylvanas is the only one that says minions, mercs and monsters I believe. Artanis and Lunara just say "non hero", I guess maybe that means Sylvanas doesn't get a boost vs Gazlowe turrets while Artanis and Lunara does? Never really paid attention to that before.
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I was really sad that i couldn't symbiote bosses as abathur. I wanted that so bad
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bamhand posted:Oh I meant nothing boosts the damage they deal. Sylvanas is the only one that says minions, mercs and monsters I believe. Artanis and Lunara just say "non hero", I guess maybe that means Sylvanas doesn't get a boost vs Gazlowe turrets while Artanis and Lunara does? Never really paid attention to that before. I think non hero includes structures, but take it with a grain of salt.
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Tyrande's Shadowstalk is kinda interesting. The fact it lasts until dispelled makes it a quite powerful scouting / fanning tool and the heroic upgrade is bonkers -- reveal all enemy heroes for 2 seconds. It has a 30 second cooldown. Of course, it has to beat an AOE damage/slow spell, and that's hard to do. Starfall is just a really good, if bland, ability.
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LupusAter posted:I think non hero includes structures, but take it with a grain of salt. It does, that's the difference. A big part of sylvanas is that her actual building damage is okay at best
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LupusAter posted:I think non hero includes structures, but take it with a grain of salt. Oh whoops, yeah totally includes structures. Forgot about that.
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Does Destiny have any iconic characters that would be cool in HoTS? Blizzard is bringing Destinty 2 to PC, so it seems inevitable that there will be hero crossover.
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Reddit duder made his own stats tracking program. Feed it replays, get lots and lots of stats. https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/6bwrkv/heroes_match_tracker_match_tracker_for_personal/ For each game:    Aggregate:   If you only care about your own stats (not others' MMR) this will do ya. He's got a github link if you want to inspect the source code.
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NeurosisHead posted:Does Destiny have any iconic characters that would be cool in HoTS? Blizzard is bringing Destinty 2 to PC, so it seems inevitable that there will be hero crossover. It feels to me a lot like this is an Activision decision, not a Blizzard one. I can't imagine they're too stoked about having to share their service with another FPS. Only after everyone in Overwatch is in HOTS will we get, like, Eris Morne, or a skin for Probius where his voice is Peter Dinklage.
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NeurosisHead posted:Does Destiny have any iconic characters that would be cool in HoTS? Blizzard is bringing Destinty 2 to PC, so it seems inevitable that there will be hero crossover. That's not a Blizzard game, it's just going to be launchable from the Blizzard client. If Heroes starts putting Activision stuff in their game it is truly dead.
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Kripp is going to start streaming HotS. How salty is he going be getting over garbage teammates?
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NeurosisHead posted:Does Destiny have any iconic characters that would be cool in HoTS? Blizzard is bringing Destinty 2 to PC, so it seems inevitable that there will be hero crossover. Someone should tell them that it's not Battle.net anymore!
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NeurosisHead posted:Does Destiny have any iconic characters that would be cool in HoTS? Blizzard is bringing Destinty 2 to PC, so it seems inevitable that there will be hero crossover. Destiny isn't a Blizzard product, it's just using the launcher. This would be like asking if Doomguy is going to get a hero in Dota 2.
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Bogart posted:It feels to me a lot like this is an Activision decision, not a Blizzard one. I can't imagine they're too stoked about having to share their service with another FPS. Only after everyone in Overwatch is in HOTS will we get, like, Eris Morne, or a skin for Probius where his voice is Peter Dinklage. They actually completely replaced Dinklage's voice 
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exquisite tea posted:Destiny isn't a Blizzard product, it's just using the launcher. This would be like asking if Doomguy is going to get a hero in Dota 2. He should be though.
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Yeah doomguy 4 dota
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I mean DOTA1 had the blue spear guy from Final Fantasy 10
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Lemon-Lime posted:Here's how you do a payload map in a HotS that doesn't loving suck:
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NeurosisHead posted:Does Destiny have any iconic characters that would be cool in HoTS? Blizzard is bringing Destinty 2 to PC, so it seems inevitable that there will be hero crossover. The Deadpool robot in 2 seems like they could probably make something with personality.
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Fellatio del Toro posted:I mean DOTA1 had the blue spear guy from Final Fantasy 10 He's also in dota 2
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:He's also in dota 2 Phantom Lancer owns.
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HelixFox posted:Conveniently, here's a detailed analysis on how to dominate Hanamura as a 5-stack, feat. Sylvanas! Hanamura has sappers?
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Cuntellectual posted:Hanamura has sappers? Take a keep and sappers spawn instead of catapults. Each wave has one and each one does 1 damage to core if it arrives at the other end.
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Played Murky for about seven hours today. Most players REALLY just don't even attempt to find your egg, even if it's in a spot that's pretty obvious. Only once did I have a Midivh player in one match who consistently found my egg, and we still won that one so it wasn't a big loss. The Nova who kept killing me over and over and over again on Hanamura made me super salty though  Murky's great though. What a good fish boy
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Turtlicious posted:Yeah doomguy 4 dota Rip and tear.
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Macaluso posted:Played Murky for about seven hours today. Most players REALLY just don't even attempt to find your egg, even if it's in a spot that's pretty obvious. Only once did I have a Midivh player in one match who consistently found my egg, and we still won that one so it wasn't a big loss. It's great when you're Nova and you snipe Murky then immediately Precision Strike his egg.
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